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    Exclamation EXTREMELY DANGEROUS BILL! - This needs your calls to all your senators now! S. 3081

    Dear god...

    Where are we going America?

    I called my senators and neither of the offices were aware of this bill and were both very disturbed upon looking it up while I spoke with them.

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    CALL YOUR SENATORS AND DEMAND THEY TAKE A POSITION ON THIS BILL

    S.3081: Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

    The “Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010,” introduced by Senators John McCain and Joseph Lieberman on Thursday with little fanfare, “sets out a comprehensive policy for the detention, interrogation and trial of suspected enemy belligerents who are believed to have engaged in hostilities against the United States by requiring these individuals to be held in military custody, interrogated for their intelligence value and not provided with a Miranda warning,”

    The bill does not distinguish between U.S. citizens and non-citizens, and states that “suspected belligerents” who are “considered a “high-value detainee” shall not be provided with a Miranda warning.”

    A person is considered a “high value detainee” if they fulfill one of the following criteria.

    (1) poses a threat of an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the U.S. or U.S. facilities abroad; (2) poses a threat to U.S. military personnel or U.S. military facilities; (3) potential intelligence value; (4) is a member of al Qaeda or a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda or (5) such other matters as the President considers appropriate.

    Now that the Southern Poverty Law Center and the federal government, via the MIAC report and innumerable other leaked documents, now consider virtually anyone with a dissenting opinion against the state as “posing a threat,” millions of peaceful American citizens could be swept up by this frightening dragnet of tyranny.

    However, according to the bill, an individual doesn’t even have to pose a threat to be snatched, detained and interrogated – they can merely be deemed to be of “potential intelligence value” or come under the vague and sweeping mandate of “such other matters as the President considers appropriate”.

    This last designation hands Obama dictator powers to have any American citizen kidnapped, detained, and interrogated on a whim.

    The only proviso that even hints at some form of check or balance is the measure that states, “The High-Value Detainee Interrogation Team must make a preliminary determination whether the detainee is an unprivileged enemy belligerent within 48 hours of taking detainee into custody.”

    “The High-Value Detainee Interrogation Team must submit its determination to the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General after consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. The Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General make a final determination and report the determination to the President and the appropriate committees of Congress. In the case of any disagreement between the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General, the President will make the determination,” states the bill.

    The ACLU has expressed its vigorous opposition to the legislation, labeling it nothing less than a “direct attack on the Constitution”.

    “Indefinite detention flies in the face of American values and violates this country’s commitment to the rule of law,” states Laura W. Murphy, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

    Of course, such positions from the ACLU as well as Amnesty International will only be used as grist for the neo-con propaganda mill about how the bill ought to be passed in order to avoid being “soft on terrorists,” a piece of spin still being swallowed whole by millions of conservatives who are blissfully unaware of the fact that the apparatus of the war on terror is now being aimed squarely at politically active American citizens.

    “Torture, indefinite imprisonment, secret trials and limited staged hearings are the stuff of cheap dictatorships,” writes Ian McColgin. “They are the sort of idiocy we scorned in the Soviets, the Koreans and the Vietnamese. It is astonishing that we have senators and citizens even discussing this bill which is not a capitulation to terrorism – it’s the triumph of terrorism.”


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    Traitors!

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    We are so close to midnight it isn't even funny...what do we do if they pass this thing? What is crossing the line?
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    If they amend it to only apply to non-citizens I would be fine with it. I don't think we owe non-citizens the right to civilian trials in a jurisdiction they have never entered. With that said, I think they have a right to due process and should not be held indefinitely without a trial.

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    can we fire or impeach these "people"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by driege View Post
    If they amend it to only apply to non-citizens I would be fine with it. I don't think we owe non-citizens the right to civilian trials in a jurisdiction they have never entered. With that said, I think they have a right to due process and should not be held indefinitely without a trial.
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    Im surprised Imhofe is co-sponsoring this, he hates McCain.

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    So, this is saying that U.S. citizens can be detained and transferred to the military system without due process for (3) potential intelligence value or (5) such other matters as the President deems appropriate. What are hostilities? Is us being pissed off at being squashed by taxes and regulation, "hostilities" as defined by Senators McCain and Lieberman?

    Well then, I hope...

    1.) Judge Napolitano does not have a seizure.

    2.) Liberals actually give a shit and realize what heinous legislation this is (but I doubt it).
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