At some point minarchists will become the enemy of freedom

[andrewh817]

If you're reading this, chances are you already know the US government is going to collapse in the very foreseeable future. At some point, a new government system is going to come about, or we're going to be a voluntary society (when I say we I just mean people in a certain area).

With the government at its current size, limited government advocates want things to be freer than they are now. At some point there will be no government and the "limited government" advocates are going to want things to be LESS free than they currently would be.

At some point, there are going to be people calling for a limited government again, and those of us who don't want a government are going to be forced to comply by the very people claiming to support freedom.

Any thoughts?

[Fozz]

You seem to be messed up.

[Theocrat]

Congressman Paul is a "minarchist," so, by your own words, that makes him an enemy of freedom. If that's the case, what brings you into this territory of your enemy?

[FrankRep]

The current system may collapse, but anarchy won't happen. The International Monetary fund will bailout the United States in exchange for national sovereignty.


International Monetary Fund (IMF) set to be the World's Federal Reserve!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182725

[Chieppa1]

This seems very important to current events. Lets start dividing ourselves for the future.....

[BuddyRey]

I'm a Voluntaryist, but I heartily disagree with your premise. I think the vast number of Minarchists would respect our right to withdraw consent from the system, at least if their ranks are dominated by Ron Paul/Judge Napolitano freedom types.

[t0rnado]

I'm a voluntaryist as well and I don't think that anyone who comprehends the non-aggression axiom will force us to be a part of the new government.

[LibertyMage]

My thoughts - there have been too many posts like this one and not enough posts about activism or political organization on this forum recently.

[Kludge]

I'm a voluntaryist as well and I don't think that anyone who comprehends the non-aggression axiom will force us to be a part of the new government.

Well, that should keep ~.2% of the nation out of our hair.

My thoughts - there have been too many posts like this one and not enough posts about activism or political organization on this forum recently.

What´s this, now? You´re trying to suggest there may be certain types of posts? Perhaps, then, there are also certain types of posters. You aren´t trying to be divisive, are you? ...

[Andrew-Austin]

If you're reading this, chances are you already know the US government is going to collapse in the very foreseeable future. At some point, a new government system is going to come about, or we're going to be a voluntary society (when I say we I just mean people in a certain area).

With the government at its current size, limited government advocates want things to be freer than they are now. At some point there will be no government and the "limited government" advocates are going to want things to be LESS free than they currently would be.

At some point, there are going to be people calling for a limited government again, and those of us who don't want a government are going to be forced to comply by the very people claiming to support freedom.

Any thoughts?

I'm a voluntaryist and I want to know how you can foresee the future. The federal government looks like it is going to collapse, that does not mean the state governments will go with it or new governments won't form.

[andrewh817]

You seem to be messed up.

Well how's that for enlightening? Any chance you'll explain?

Congressman Paul is a "minarchist," so, by your own words, that makes him an enemy of freedom. If that's the case, what brings you into this territory of your enemy?

Well actually, if you read my whole post, I said that right now he's advocating less government than what we have presently. And at some point, he's going to be advocating more government than what is present (when the government collapses). As for the territory question, just because I post here doesn't mean I approve of what Paul's doing, only that I mostly enjoy debating and discussing issues with people on this forum.

The current system may collapse, but anarchy won't happen. The International Monetary fund will bailout the United States in exchange for national sovereignty.


International Monetary Fund (IMF) set to be the World's Federal Reserve!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182725

Well, what makes you think the IMF's currency will last any longer than the dollar's? The dollar has lost 95% of its value since it was issued...... what makes you think an IMF currency will be any less inflated over time? If it's a fiat currency, then at some point, it's going to collapse and then what? This game of centrally planned economics can only last so long......

I think the vast number of Minarchists would respect our right to withdraw consent from the system, at least if their ranks are dominated by Ron Paul/Judge Napolitano freedom types.

Really? Isn't government by its very definition force? Does Ron Paul advocate NO taxes or LESS taxes? If you can respect someone's right to withdraw from a system, then YOU'RE NOT A MINARCHIST! You're a voluntarist! And what you're saying would only make sense IF the government is run by mostly good people, which I've never seen an example of in history.

My thoughts - there have been too many posts like this one and not enough posts about activism or political organization on this forum recently.

Well, thanks, but no thanks! I'm not into the political activism stuff..... I'm not into spending money to get the small possibility of being stolen from less.

Either expose the flaws in my reasoning or predictions, or take the easy way out and rate this thread 1 star. Or both.

I'm a voluntaryist and I want to know how you can foresee the future.

I'm only speculating, not claiming to know the future.

The federal government looks like it is going to collapse, that does not mean the state governments will go with it or new governments won't form.

Yeah, that's my whole reason for writing this! At some point people are going to have to choose socialism, minarchism, or voluntarism. Everyone who wants minarchism and socialism wants to force everyone, including the voluntarists to pay taxes. REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT, voluntarism comes under attack any time taxes are issued.

[torchbearer]

I guess you better start taking us out now.

[Theocrat]

Well actually, if you read my whole post, I said that right now he's advocating less government than what we have presently. And at some point, he's going to be advocating more government than what is present (when the government collapses). As for the territory question, just because I post here doesn't mean I approve of what Paul's doing, only that I mostly enjoy debating and discussing issues with people on this forum.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[andrewh817]

I guess you better start taking us out now.

Right........ instead of trying to persuade the closest to my idealogies to take that extra step, i'll just take out a gun and kill the very people most likely to change their minds!

Maybe you don't understand the non-aggression principle..... or how it applies to voluntarism.

[torchbearer]

Right........ instead of trying to persuade the closest to my idealogies to take that extra step, i'll just take out a gun and kill the very people most likely to change their minds!

Maybe you don't understand the non-aggression principle..... or how it applies to voluntarism.

admit it. you know we are the enemy to your delusion.

[FrankRep]

admit it. you know we are the enemy to your delusion.

Conclusion: Thread Fail.

[andrewh817]

Conclusion: Thread Fail.

No one's explaining their opinions on the topic, and if they are, they're not explaining why their opinions are that way.

[Kludge]

No one's explaining their opinions on the topic, and if they are, they're not explaining why their opinions are that way.

When I was 9, my parents divorced....

[FrankRep]

No one's explaining their opinions on the topic, and if they are, they're not explaining why their opinions are that way.

Here:

The current system may collapse, but anarchy won't happen. The International Monetary fund will bailout the United States in exchange for national sovereignty.


International Monetary Fund (IMF) set to be the World's Federal Reserve!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182725

[paulitics]

I don't think threads like these should be in general politics.

[andrewh817]

My point is that the system will eventually collapse, when it does happen is extraneous information.

If you don't think it will happen, then take my situation as hypothetical and tell me your thoughts on it.

I don't think threads like these should be in general politics.

Where does it belong then?

[FrankRep]

My point is that the system will eventually collapse, when it does happen is extraneous information.

The United States will be globally consolidated, not collapse.

Read:

International Monetary Fund (IMF) set to be the World's Federal Reserve!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182725

[Jeros]

admit it. you know we are the enemy to your delusion.

I think you just dropped the torch...

[Brian4Liberty]

If you're reading this, chances are you already know the US government is going to collapse in the very foreseeable future.

Don't agree with that premise. It may go broke, but it isn't going away.

At some point there will be no government and the "limited government" advocates are going to want things to be LESS free than they currently would be.

Don't agree with that premise either. There will never be "no government".

[mediahasyou]

Every enemy you have controls you. You seek to avoid, debate, fight, or whatever them to the point that it controls your life.

A prisoner is physically detained, while a slave is mentally controlled by its master and needs no cage. To not become a slave of your enemy, you must have no enemies.

Minarchists are not enemies; minarchists are simply misguided allies.

[torchbearer]

I think you just dropped the torch...

the internet is serious business.

[andrewh817]

The United States will be globally consolidated, not collapse.

Read:

International Monetary Fund (IMF) set to be the World's Federal Reserve!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182725

And once again my point is, since centrally planned economies are always dependent on borrowing, and borrowing is unsustainable, eventually centrally planned economies collapse.

Since a centrally planned system (of debt) can't last forever, and you're saying the US's will be taken global, what's the next step when the global central plans fail?

Won't that be no government?? There would be no higher power to take over the world's economy once a globally planned economy fails!

Every enemy you have controls you. You seek to avoid, debate, fight, or whatever them to the point that it controls your life.

A prisoner is physically detained, while a slave is mentally controlled by its master and needs no cage. To not become a slave of your enemy, you must have no enemies.

Minarchists are not enemies; minarchists are simply misguided allies.

Please read the thread title. I never said minarchists are my enemy. I said at some point they will be the enemy of freedom, not me. See the difference?

[__27__]

Congressman Paul is a "minarchist," so, by your own words, that makes him an enemy of freedom. If that's the case, what brings you into this territory of your enemy?

You are prone to believing your own version of events to comfort your world view, aren't you?


"Government is the enemy of liberty." ~ Ron Paul, February 20, 2010

[brandon]

lol there is close to zero chance the us government will "collapse" anytime in the near future. They are stronger than they ever have been. I just can't fathom how someone would use that as a premise for an argument.

[__27__]

lol there is close to zero chance the us government will "collapse" anytime in the near future. They are stronger than they ever have been. I just can't fathom how someone would use that as a premise for an argument.

"Stronger than they ever have been."


Are you on crack?