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  1. #181

    Unhappy

    Yet another case of Blowback... Hopefully people read his letter and look more into the IRS. Then we can be on track to abolishing it..

    EDIT: Hmm.. Looks like the Media is portraying him as a crackpot who just wanted to kill people.
    *Nothing to see here folks.. Please return to your lives as free-slaves..*
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  3. #182
    MellisaWV-ahh chill out babe....I never said it was cool. I just made the point that there are consequences to actions, including your choice of employer.

    That reminds me...I live in Nevada, we have prostitutes, and they need more business!
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  4. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by civilradiant View Post
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  5. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Athan View Post
    looool!
    your avitar....beck? LOL
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  9. #187
    I only watched pat of the clip. (as much as anger would allow)

    Do the mention that he was an OBAMA Supporter??? I did't hear that.

    Or do they somehow miss that part?
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  10. #188
    Soooo.....

    Who benefits from this event? Are there any signs this was a staged incident? Observations:

    As others have suggested, it will shut down private small plane traffic (new security lockdowns), and smear the Tea Partiers and any Patriots who question the government and IRS at the same time. As a poster on the prisonplanet forum noted, "Side "benefit" to this would be that Perry gets to grandstand, Austin becomes an area of interest in the "fight against constitutional rights wackos," and so on."

    Why were HAZMAT and firefighter personnel available at the scene BEFORE the plane hit?:



    Stack's body is not accounted for, what's up with that? If you know where the plane now is, you should know where the body is. Is it all charred up, or do they have to plant it there?

    Why would a politically aware 'Patriot' person do a stunt like this in AUSTIN, TEXAS at THIS POINT in time, knowing it might rebound badly on Debra Medina and Alex Jones? Who would benefit from the political blowback of this incident?

    Fire at Stack's $300,000 home is called into 911 at 9:15, 9:30, Firefighters arrive in five minutes. What large $300k house burns down to a few walls in five minutes? Why are the neighbors being asked to stay mum about their neighbor?

    The fire damage done to the office building appears greatly disproportional to the small plane crashing it. Was the plane packed to the gills with explosives? Or the building pre-packed? Feds swooped in and got all the security camera footage in the area---why, if it's just a 'simple crazy guy' crashing a plane?

    Bottom line from Alex Jones today---"if it's big and already promoted, get ready: it's a staged event."
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  11. #189
    From everything involved, especially the letter, I am of a mind that somehow this is a phishing attempt.
    So that's all I'll say on the subject.

  12. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    +1

    NAP all the way. Some poor clerk in a fileroom had nothing to do with this man's troubles. Just because it's a predictable result of the government's abrogation of our natural right to a redress of grievance doesn't make it a good, proper, or right response. This was stupid, and will do far, far more harm than good.

    Yay for more infringement.
    I disagree, completely.

    That file clerk is perpetuating a system that ruins people's live, that literally enslaves them.

    They are just as guilty as the armed SWAT raiders, even though they don't care to admit it.
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  13. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I disagree, completely.

    That file clerk is perpetuating a system that ruins people's live, that literally enslaves them.

    They are just as guilty as the armed SWAT raiders, even though they don't care to admit it.
    That file clerk probably hasn't even considered the nature of their job. They're not conscious of their errors. I suspect that most of them would quit their jobs if they were. What about a taxpayer who was visiting the office? What if the taxpayer was paying in dollar bills just to make it hard on the IRS? Would you find it okay if that taxpayer was collateral damage? Don't do wrong for the sake of doing good.

  14. #192
    It's funny how the government murders people and calls it justice, but as soon as someone defends themselves against real criminals (IRS agents), they are labeled a terrorist and the like.

    Hypocrisy at its finest.
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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    Soooo.....

    Who benefits from this event? Are there any signs this was a staged incident? Observations:

    As others have suggested, it will shut down private small plane traffic (new security lockdowns), and smear the Tea Partiers and any Patriots who question the government and IRS at the same time. As a poster on the prisonplanet forum noted, "Side "benefit" to this would be that Perry gets to grandstand, Austin becomes an area of interest in the "fight against constitutional rights wackos," and so on."

    Why were HAZMAT and firefighter personnel available at the scene BEFORE the plane hit?:



    Stack's body is not accounted for, what's up with that? If you know where the plane now is, you should know where the body is. Is it all charred up, or do they have to plant it there?

    Why would a politically aware 'Patriot' person do a stunt like this in AUSTIN, TEXAS at THIS POINT in time, knowing it might rebound badly on Debra Medina and Alex Jones? Who would benefit from the political blowback of this incident?

    Fire at Stack's $300,000 home is called into 911 at 9:15, 9:30, Firefighters arrive in five minutes. What large $300k house burns down to a few walls in five minutes? Why are the neighbors being asked to stay mum about their neighbor?

    The fire damage done to the office building appears greatly disproportional to the small plane crashing it. Was the plane packed to the gills with explosives? Or the building pre-packed? Feds swooped in and got all the security camera footage in the area---why, if it's just a 'simple crazy guy' crashing a plane?

    Bottom line from Alex Jones today---"if it's big and already promoted, get ready: it's a staged event."

    controlled demolition obviously. I think it was thermite.
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  17. #194
    Considering only 2 people died, and the attacker's final lettter will likely resonate with most of America, I seriously doubt this was a false flag.

  18. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I disagree, completely.

    That file clerk is perpetuating a system that ruins people's live, that literally enslaves them.

    They are just as guilty as the armed SWAT raiders, even though they don't care to admit it.
    Are you aware of the fact that this wasn't even an IRS building? It was a SHARED office building! For all you know some Ron Paul supporter could have died that didn't even know the IRS was in there! Also don't forget that Joe Bannister and Sherry Jackson worked for the IRS before they understood what it was all about.
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  19. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Are you aware of the fact that this wasn't even an IRS building? It was a SHARED office building! For all you know some Ron Paul supporter could have died that didn't even know the IRS was in there! Also don't forget that Joe Bannister and Sherry Jackson worked for the IRS before they understood what it was all about.
    Well someone in the apartment next door could also die if you happen to shoot an intruder in your home. That's just the risk you have to take sometimes.
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  20. #197
    So, which is it:

    Anti government white radicals?

    Communists?

    Black panthers?

    Jihadists?

    Or could it possibly be that people across all racial and political lines, are sick and tired of being bullied, pushed around, ordered about, raided, beaten, jailed and killed by cops that have declared a "War on Us"?

  21. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, which is it:

    Anti government white radicals?

    Communists?

    Black panthers?

    Jihadists?

    Or could it possibly be that people across all racial and political lines, are sick and tired of being bullied, pushed around, ordered about, raided, beaten, jailed and killed by cops that have declared a "War on Us"?
    Not very many of them. Just an occasional outlier here and there.

  22. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Not very many of them. Just an occasional outlier here and there.
    No, not many at all, all things considered.

    But I think the numbers will increase, as government pushes even harder, and I do think they are related.

    I started searching and it's more than you might think however.

  23. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, not many at all, all things considered.

    But I think the numbers will increase, as government pushes even harder, and I do think they are related.

    I started searching and it's more than you might think however.
    I hope you're right and I am wrong. But I don't feel it around me.



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  25. #201
    wow this piece of news was buried incredibly fast. I check what's going on a lot and this slipped by me in 2010. Wouldn't have known about it unless AF bumped it. Guy was probably going to lose his home to the IRS and took some of them with him.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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  26. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I hope you're right and I am wrong. But I don't feel it around me.
    That's the trouble...you won't.

    Most people are petrified to even talk about such things.

    So they put on their nonchalant face and continue with life on a day to day basis.

    Get them alone, with a drink or two in them, and then the outlook changes.

  27. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    wow this piece of news was buried incredibly fast. I check what's going on a lot and this slipped by me in 2010. Wouldn't have known about it unless AF bumped it. Guy was probably going to lose his home to the IRS and took some of them with him.
    More than a few like this as well.

  28. #204
    Old article, posting for reference:

    Remember When Andrew Joseph Stack Flew a Plane Into a Texas IRS Building?
    That was February 18, 2010. A week later, the agency's scrutiny of the Tea Party began. Here's what happened leading up to the two events.

    "What kicked off the Internal Revenue Service's targeting of Tea Party groups?"

    Sean Higgins of the Washington Examiner raises an interesting question. "The Treasury Department's Inspector General apparently knows but the rest of us cannot. His report on the scandal includes three timelines of events, but in each case, the first item in the timeline has been redacted."

    "The mystery date was apparently February 25, 2010," he concludes from reading the reports. "...The reference to February in both appendixes indicates something particularly noteworthy happened then in the evolution of the IRS's policy. What was it?"

    On the theory that media reports might have been involved (since the agency says media reports led to the end of the special scrutiny of Tea Party and other conservative groups in February 2012), I went back and read through some of the national newspaper coverage on the Tea Party groups in mid-to-late February of 2010.

    There was a big David Barstow piece in the New York Times on Feb. 12, 2010, examining the political aspirations of Tea Party and other groups: "Tea Party Lights Fuse for Rebellion on Right." Within the first five paragraphs, it mentions the Tea Party, the Sandpoint Tea Party Patriots, Friends for Liberty, Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project, the John Birch Society, and Oath Keepers, described as "a new player in a resurgent militia movement." As the Times described it:

    The Tea Party movement has become a platform for conservative populist discontent, a force in Republican politics for revival, as it was in the Massachusetts Senate election, or for division. But it is also about the profound private transformation of people like Mrs. Stout, people who not long ago were not especially interested in politics, yet now say they are bracing for tyranny.
    These people are part of a significant undercurrent within the Tea Party movement that has less in common with the Republican Party than with the Patriot movement, a brand of politics historically associated with libertarians, militia groups, anti-immigration advocates and those who argue for the abolition of the Federal Reserve.

    Urged on by conservative commentators, waves of newly minted activists are turning to once-obscure books and Web sites and discovering a set of ideas long dismissed as the preserve of conspiracy theorists, interviews conducted across the country over several months show. In this view, Mr. Obama and many of his predecessors (including George W. Bush) have deliberately undermined the Constitution and free enterprise for the benefit of a shadowy international network of wealthy elites.

    Loose alliances like Friends for Liberty are popping up in many cities, forming hybrid entities of Tea Parties and groups rooted in the Patriot ethos. These coalitions are not content with simply making the Republican Party more conservative. They have a larger goal -- a political reordering that would drastically shrink the federal government and sweep away not just Mr. Obama, but much of the Republican establishment, starting with Senator John McCain....

    The ebbs and flows of the Tea Party ferment are hardly uniform. It is an amorphous, factionalized uprising with no clear leadership and no centralized structure. Not everyone flocking to the Tea Party movement is worried about dictatorship. Some have a basic aversion to big government, or Mr. Obama, or progressives in general. What's more, some Tea Party groups are essentially appendages of the local Republican Party. (emphasis added)
    It's a really long and interesting piece, and worth a read as a reminder of what the Tea Party movement looked like earlier in its development, when it was a more fiery force.


    What else happened in February 2010? The first National Tea Party Convention in Nashville, Tenn., featuring a major speech by Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential nominee. The New York Times lede on that story, published on Feb. 6: "As Sarah Palin left the stage at the inaugural National Tea Party Convention here Saturday night, the crowd erupted into chants of 'Run Sarah Run!'" The headline? "Palin Assails Obama at Tea Party Meeting." More suggestions of active electoral political activity.

    And then this caught my eye.

    On February 23, 2010, Robert Wright, writing for the Times' Opinionator blog, looked at "The First Tea Party Terrorist?" His column on the Andrew Joseph Stack incident is chilling in retrospect and in light of the IRS's subsequent decision to begin sorting exemption applications for groups with "Tea Party, "Patriot" "9/12" and other conservative buzzwords in their names for referral to a specialist.

    On February 18th, Stack had flown a small airplane into an IRS office in Austin, Texas, killing himself and IRS agent Vernon Hunter and injuring 13 on the ground. Stack left behind a six-page rant against the federal government and the IRS. His conclusion: "I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."


    Readers took issue with Wright's description of Stack as a Tea Party type, leading to him to update the column to note: "When I said in this column that you could in principle follow my logic to conclude that Joseph Stack was a Tea Party terrorist, I should have added the explicit reminder that this logic depended on accepting the somewhat squishy definition of 'Tea Party' ideology that, I argue, is appropriate given the still-inchoate nature of the movement." Frank Rich later took issue with Wright (who, full disclosure, blogged for TheAtlantic.com in 2012), arguing that "Stack was a lone madman, and it would be both glib and inaccurate to call him a card-carrying Tea Partier or a 'Tea Party terrorist.'" But writers from other media outlets also piled on, according to a roundup published in the National Review Online, connecting Stack and the growing Tea Party and anti-government movement.

    "After reading his 34-paragraph screed, I am struck by how his alienation is similar to that we're hearing from the extreme elements of the Tea Party movement," wrote Jonathan Capeheart of the Washington Post in a blog item. According to a piece on Fox News:

    Joseph Stack, the 53-year-old software engineer who crashed his small plane into a seven-story office building in Austin, Texas, was part of a growing, violent anti-tax and anti-government movement that has become increasingly alarming to law enforcement agencies.
    Stack, who torched his home Thursday morning before setting out on his suicide flight, was fueled by his hatred of the Internal Revenue Service, which had offices and employed nearly 200 workers in the building.
    Stack was not a member of his local group, the Austin Tea Party Patriots, as its founders repeatedly tried to make clear in February 2010.

    We don't know what led the IRS to begin looking more closely at Tea Party groups and the conservative anti-government movement. But if you want to know how the Tea Party and the IRS and electoral politics were being discussed in February 2010, there's your answer.
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