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Thread: July4patriot, Charles Alan Dyer, Oathkeeper - ARRESTED

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    Default July4patriot, Charles Alan Dyer, Oathkeeper - ARRESTED

    There are serious questions about the legitimacy of this arrest. Oathkeepers need to rally, in uniform, to this man. This is a classic move by the PTB... pull the molester card for a warrant and then go fishing... I've been watching this guys tubez on the interwebz for awhile and this looks like a "shut-him-up-anyway-you-can" type deal to me.

    Duncan Banner Story

    An arrest on charges of rape of a child and forcible sodomy has led to a complaint being filed in United States District Court.

    Charles Alan Dyer, 29, of Marlow, was arrested for the alleged rape and forcible sodomy of a child. During the investigation into the allegations, the Stephens County Sheriff’s Office obtained a warrant to collect DNA evidence. During the search the sheriff’s deputies noted several firearms and a device believed to be a Colt M-203, 40-millimeter grenade launcher, a complaint filed in the United States District Court of Western Oklahoma by Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco Special Agent Brett Williams said.

    On Wednesday, knowing that Dyer, an ex-Marine, had alleged contacts with militia groups and not knowing the legality of the alleged device, the Stephens County Sheriff's Office contacted federal agents and informed them of what the deputies had observed.

    Dyer’s affiliation with militia groups is apparent through the videos posted on his YouTube channel — July4Patriot.
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    Came as soon as I heard. He rallied several RP supporters in the campaign. Seriously? Alleged rape by BATF?
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    This came from SnowmanActual

    Patriots,


    Today I drove to Marlow to open a PO Box for donations and letters of support for Charles and the Dyer family. Afterwords, I drove to his parent's home to hand over the keys to the box. We offered the family our full support and assured them that the members of ARM are behind them. The family apologizes for the lack of information that they can provide, on advice from Charles' lawyer. Rest assured, when Charles gets a chance, he WILL set the record straight.

    The best thing we can do as a movement now is to keep our heads level and our mind focused. The family has again asked for our discretion in this matter. For now, we need to take a step back from calling the media, as the family does not hold confidence that the news will portray another side to this story. They also want all calls to the Stephens County Sheriff's office stopped. There have been people (and I don't know if they are members of ARM or not) calling the office and making what has seemed to be threats, and Sheriff Mckinney has now displayed a concern for his families' welfare. THIS NEEDS TO STOP! Please, stop saying you want to track down his home address, find him, ect. Again, stop threatening to bust out Charles, or take action against his accusers. This is only going to make the Dyer family look bad, and trust me, right now we don't want to interfere with the possible positive turn of events. There will come a time when individuals may be called upon to help Dyer in some capacity, and those individuals will be contacted when the time comes. But for right now, we need to remember what this movement is about. Dyer would not want us scaring the family of a Sheriff who honestly, was caught off guard with the case, and was bound by law to cooperate with the Feds. If Sheriff Mckinney had acted any other way, things would have been much worse for Dyer, his family, and the town of Duncan. The family will be calling the Sheriff, and relaying my message to him that ARM means him, his force, and his family no harm.

    My visit with the family really opened my eyes to the type of person Charles is. His DD-214 from the USMC shows a decorated and honorable time in service, including the award of the USMC Good Conduct medal. His family has a long and proud tradition of military service, and his father told me many, many times over the course of the hour how his boy Charles would be honest to a fault, telling the truth even if it hurt him. He is loved by his family, his girlfriend, and the town of Duncan. Almost everyone in town thinks that it is a bogus rap. I have good feelings about the outcome of this case.


    The family is in need, however. They have already forked over thousands of dollars to the legal system just to get to arraignment, and court fees are going to continue to stack up. They are not destitute, but they are not going to be able to pay this off without taking a hit in their finances. Again, if you can donate even five dollars to the paypal, or send a check or money order to the PO box, please do so! Again, those who have donated have my thanks, and the families' thanks.

    Keep your heads up, everyone, stay focused on the mission of ARM. We are not an offensive organization, we are a defensive, protective organization. Dyer would not want us to stop what we are doing. He would not want us to put our agendas on hold, but please do not forget our brother in arms.


    Donations to Charles and his family in the form of check or money order can be made payable to,

    Charles A. Dyer
    PO Box 47
    Marlow, Oklahoma 73055

    Letters of support and well-wishes can be made here as well. Please do what you can to help this family, thank you.
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    wow, is this guy a stormfronter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepusher View Post
    wow, is this guy a stormfronter?
    No, and what gives you that impression? Dyer is a patriot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Econ Disciple View Post
    No, and what gives you that impression? Dyer is a patriot.
    is he still a patriot if he did that little kid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepusher View Post
    is he still a patriot if he did that little kid?
    Innocent until proven guilty.
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    you didn't answer the question.

    so just because this guy was in the same "club" or whatever that you are in, it doesn't mean anything that he may actually have done these acts? rape a kid, kill someone, doesn't matter as long as you call yourself a "patriot" and support gun rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepusher View Post
    you didn't answer the question.

    so just because this guy was in the same "club" or whatever that you are in, it doesn't mean anything that he may actually have done these acts? rape a kid, kill someone, doesn't matter as long as you call yourself a "patriot" and support gun rights?
    What answer would you require?
    The man's entire life depends on the evidence brought against him in a court of law and the verdict that a jury of his peers returns.
    I doubt seriously anyone here knows him personally or what "clubs" he might belong to.
    You assume a lot with that statement,
    and worse even you wish to presume the man's guilt even before he gets his day in court.
    Why would you do that?
    Last edited by Dieseler; 01-27-2010 at 09:06 PM.
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    damn i met this dude once

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieseler View Post
    What answer would you require?
    The man's entire life depends on the evidence brought against him in a court of law and the verdict that a jury of his peers returns.
    I doubt seriously anyone here knows him personally or what "clubs" he might belong to.
    You assume a lot with that statement,
    and worse even you wish to presume the man's guilt even before he gets his day in court.
    Why would you do that?
    I asked the question "If he did that little kid, is he still a patriot?"

    It seems the response was duck, dodge, hide, and not answer the question. Which leads me to believe only if he is convicted, will you distance yourself or change your opinion of him. Court means nothing, as he could walk free on a minor technicality even though he did molest or rape a little child. And, it seems to you, if that were the case, you would be fine by it.

    This is a serious accusation, regardless of whether he actually did abuse that child, seems like it should be taken seriously. (not "Oh, this guy is a patriot, he has patriot in his name, I identify with him, he could never be guilty, everyone show your support")

    I don't support a child rapist, even if he voted for Ron Paul, or is for gun rights, or is a patriot, or has a freedom flag on his truck, w/e
    Last edited by squarepusher; 01-27-2010 at 10:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepusher View Post
    I asked the question "If he did that little kid, is he still a patriot?"

    It seems the response was duck, dodge, hide, and not answer the question. Which leads me to believe only if he is convicted, will you distance yourself or change your opinion of him.
    I'm not close to the guy one way or another so I have no reason to distance myself from him to begin with and that is why I said you assume too much. Not on my Youtube favorite list or nothing. I don't know the guy from Adam's house cat.
    Is it possible he is guilty of the charges?
    Sure it is. Anything is possible.
    Is it likely?
    How the $#@! should I know?
    How can I answer a hypothetical question about a persons situation when I have never met them period? I can't get past the idea that someone might be accused of something they didn't do to start with, so I can not answer that question.
    Do I support any child molester?
    No, at least not knowingly.
    Search me here on these forums for my opinion on child molesters, I really am an angry guy in that regard. I'm sure I have come close to the uber bannage here in at least one of those old famous kiddie porn/child molestation Dieseler freaks the $#@! out posts.

    Court means nothing, as he could walk free on a minor technicality even though he did molest or rape a little child. And, it seems to you, if that were the case, you would be fine by it.
    No, it seems to YOU. Not me...
    Your words, not mine.

    This is a serious accusation, regardless of whether he actually did abuse that child, seems like it should be taken seriously. (not "Oh, this guy is a patriot, he has patriot in his name, I identify with him, he could never be guilty, everyone show your support")
    You're God Damn right it's a serious allegation...
    Show me where I said any such thing.. K?

    I don't support a child rapist, even if he voted for Ron Paul, or is for gun rights, or is a patriot, or has a freedom flag on his truck, w/e
    I'm not sure what to say to that... Congratulations? Hallelujah?
    What the $#@! do you want?
    A cookie?
    A medal?

    Innocent until proven guilty.
    I'll reserve judgment until more facts are disclosed.

    /ignored
    Last edited by Dieseler; 01-27-2010 at 10:51 PM.
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    It must be a great comform to TPTB to know that all which is required of them to divide and conquer the freedom movement is to cry "child molestation".

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    From what I understand of the situation... I do not guarantee the accuracy of this information but this is what has come out.

    He is getting divorced. The kid he accused of molesting is his daughter. He is accused by his ex-wife. The search warrant was issued for a DNA swab. While there with the Sheriff and ATF (why are federal tax agents on a child molestation call?) finds an M203, but no ammo. ATF was apparently looking for some blasting caps and AN that state militia has been distributing their to units.

    I remind everyone, innocent until proven guilty.

    This man has said plenty that would make the PTB want to shut him up.

    The M203 is a classic ATF plant as it is near impossible to get ammo for and therefore won't be able to harm the tax collectors when they bust him. It's a $#@!ing metal tube that will land you a heavy federal sentence.

    If he is a child molester then there are plenty that would take care of that problem asap... within the militia.

    But if he is being set up for this and the ATF is now using drummed up child molestation warrants to gain entry then...

    Remember now what people suspected of not having their stupid $#@!ing little $200 tax stamps have suffered in the past? Vicki Weaver shot in the head while nursing her child and her other son shot in the back because the stock on a shotgun her husband sold was 3/8" too short? Or how about the over 80 men women and children burned alive in Waco because a neighbor "might" have heard what was an automatic weapon?

    ATF are TAX COLLECTORS.

    If he is truly a child molester then nothing is too severe...

    If this yet another ATF setup then everyone of you in this forum should consider what has happened and compare it to past historical events and apply it to your own lives. It is no harder to plant a weapon in someone's house than it is to drop a bag of coke in someone's car on a a traffic stop.

    Also take this as a warning that if you do not have your Form 4 and your ATF tax stamp do not EVER touch a full auto weapon or destructive device or sear kit or whatever. Many good folks have been put away for a long time because of the NFA ini 1934 and the Machine Gun Act of 1968.

    Like was said... if a charge of child molestation is all it takes to split the movement and start the backstabbing in a Republic where one is innocent until proven guilty then they have already won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepusher View Post
    is he still a patriot if he did that little kid?
    Squarepusher, you are a child molester!

    There, you're accused, no different than Charles Dyer.



    Now that you are an accused child molester squarepusher, you sick bastard, you deserve to rot in prision. But first, we would like to use the child molester accusation to search your home to see if we can find anything that we can really nail you on with the over 2,000 pages of unconstitutional federal code at our disposal. We should find something. Made any backups of your DVDs lately? Felony, $250,000 fine! Own any arms unconstitutionally infringed upon by the government, well that's not too bad, only a $10,000 fine.

    We'll get you on something, you sicko.
    Last edited by rightofpeople; 02-04-2010 at 04:36 AM.

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    Default This appears to be a setup...

    The mere presence of BATFE in the initial search warrant phase indicates that the feds pushed the Sherrif, and likely the ex-wife, in order to initiate their fishing expedition.

    The presence of an M-203, if not planted by BATFE (remember the "search" of David Olofson's home, or Charlie Pucket's planted FA-AK parts?), was incomprehensibly ridiculous, especially for someone who made the conscious effort to go high profile.

    Still, Dyer deserves his day in court, and we can collectively pray that his jury will be well-informed peers, and not the usual crop of "mushrooms" like the juries that convicted David Olofson, as well as Ed & Elaine Brown.
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    I don't think someone is guilty just because they were accused of something, but just because someone holds the flag of the liberty movement, does not mean I will support them under any circumstance.
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    DNA samples? Why would a search need to be conducted on the premises for DNA samples?
    Wouldn't they simply need to show up at his door and ask to take a swab without even entering the premises?
    Aren't search warrants fairly explicit in nature?
    This case should be watched closely. I see no link between the charge of child molestation and the need for BATF intervention.
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    Sounds like the arrests have started.
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    Possible news. Not confirmed but
    This was on Google news.
    PM Breaking News Dyer found not guilty

    Duncan Banner - Toni Hopper - 3 hours ago
    OKLAHOMA CITY — A jury in a federal courtroom Tuesday returned after several hours with a not guilty verdict for Charles Alan Dyer, who was charged in ...
    The link is dead though. Any more info is appreciated.
    This is great news, if true.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    I hope this is true.
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    The story initially reported has disappeared. (strange). I had copy&paste it last night.
    Today this,
    http://freedomfighterradio.net/?p=15593
    By: JT Host of American Resistance Radio

    America, today was a good day! July4Patriot a.k.a. Charles Dyer was found not guilty today. This is according to several sources ARM members have spoken to today! Today, I am happy to say that I am glad, that I stood by this man of character. As, myself (JT), and Jim have said from the beginning we did not believe these accusations to hold any truth. This however, is not the end of the road for Charles! He still faces unrelated charges. We also believe these charges to be false. We are now hoping that Charles will be given bond, and will be on the street soon! We will be standing by July4patriot till the end! Our thoughts, and prayers are with Charles and his family! I wish to say thank you to all the TRUE American Patriots, who stood by Charles from the beginning
    eta. This.

    YouTube - CHARLES A. DYER FOUND NOT GUILTY
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    News story.
    Dyer found not guilty
    http://duncanbanner.com/local/x99349...und-not-guilty
    OKLAHOMA CITY — A jury in a federal courtroom Tuesday returned after several hours with a not guilty verdict for Charles Alan Dyer, who was charged in January with a federal complaint of possession of a grenade launcher.
    I expect the other (bogus)charges will be dropped also.
    This is good news.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    So much drama... just let the man free (if he's not guilty)!
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    He still has to deal with the Child molestation charge. Unconfirmed report is that the DNA is NOT a match.

    That was just the excuse to raid his home.
    ( or does the BATF generally get involved in domestic cases? )
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Kind of like the Waco raid where they were really after weapons but all you heard about afterwards was about child molestation.
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    I had a friend who was arrested for child molestation. Turned out his girl friend's little sister was pissed off that she moved out of their house and in with him, so she decided to get back at him by filing a false claim. He was never prosecuted but ended up paying thousands of dollars for an attorney to deal with it. That's the way our lovely "justice" system works. In a more just place, they'd take the bitch out and horsewhip her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furface View Post
    I had a friend who was arrested for child molestation. Turned out his girl friend's little sister was pissed off that she moved out of their house and in with him, so she decided to get back at him by filing a false claim. He was never prosecuted but ended up paying thousands of dollars for an attorney to deal with it. That's the way our lovely "justice" system works. In a more just place, they'd take the bitch out and horsewhip her.


    True that.
    I hate to admit this, but I have a real issue with females because of stupid bitches like that. And I'm sorry, but too many females fit the stereotype - drama, lies, subversive tendencies...
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