View Poll Results: Do you support illegal immigration or a nation's right to control its border?

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  • I support a nation's right to control its border.

    113 73.86%
  • I do not respect a nation's right to control its border.

    40 26.14%
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Thread: Do you support unlimited illegal immigration or a nation's right to their border

  1. #1

    Do you support unlimited illegal immigration or a nation's right to their border

    There has been a few people who suggest that unlimited illegal immigration is a good thing. I look at them as globalists who have found a chink in the armor of liberty in order to destroy it.

    Anyone who would like to see globalism please identify yourself so we may know ye.



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    re: your sig line. Diversity of culture is not a bad thing.. diversity of ideology is.

    No, I think a strict border policy is crucial to the integrity of our nation.

  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by ENDG4M3 View Post
    re: your sig line. Diversity of culture is not a bad thing.. diversity of ideology is.

    No, I think a strict border policy is crucial to the integrity of our nation.
    Diversity of ideology doesn't matter if the system in place does not use force to take from some to give to others. This is the root issue that gives us problems, not freedom to travel and work.

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    Also, the poll is skewed and therefore illegitimate. Your poll assumes a nation has rights. What is a nation? Individuals have rights.

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Met Income View Post
    Diversity of ideology doesn't matter if the system in place does not use force to take from some to give to others.
    Diversity of Ideology does matter however when the faction in power uses power to take from some to give to others while turning a blind eye at invaders who would vote for them to maintain that power illegally.
    This is the root issue that gives us problems, not freedom to travel and work.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.

  7. #6
    Whoever votes No please identify yourself.

  8. #7

    Thumbs down

    rigged poll.
    I support the free market in labor.
    I do not believe in fictitional borders or bureaucrats that can perform anything or centralized planning, all of which are required to have "border enforcement".

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Met Income View Post
    Also, the poll is skewed and therefore illegitimate. Your poll assumes a nation has rights. What is a nation? Individuals have rights.
    Despite the nit picking most will understand the polls intent.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolutionSD View Post
    rigged poll.
    I support the free market in labor.
    I do not believe in fictitional borders or bureaucrats that can perform anything or centralized planning, all of which are required to have "border enforcement".
    Then you do not respect the United State's border and therefore are a domestic enemy of the United States.

  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Dunedain View Post
    Then you do not respect the United State's border and therefore are a domestic enemy of the United States.
    Then you do not support freedom and are an enemy of liberty.

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Dunedain View Post
    Then you do not respect the United State's border and therefore are a domestic enemy of the United States.
    Then you're a fascist who wants to tell private property owners along the border who they can and cannot allow on their property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolutionSD View Post
    rigged poll.
    I support the free market in labor.
    I do not believe in fictitional borders or bureaucrats that can perform anything or centralized planning, all of which are required to have "border enforcement".
    I support the Law that is on the books and respect the efforts that immigrants took in the past to become U.S. Citizens.
    I support Ron Paul's position.
    Enforce the laws on the books, we don't need reform in immigration anymore than we need Health Car reform especially at a time when are country is broke.
    We need elected officials who will uphold the law.
    What you consider to be the Free Market in Labor is nothing more than Corporatist Slavery. It is immediately induced upon the Illegal Immigrant and has now come to affect the Legal U.S. Citizen all in the name of profits and at the detriment of everyone else involved.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by RevolutionSD View Post
    Then you do not support freedom and are an enemy of liberty.
    Liberty does not give you the right to come into my home unvited. I have the liberty to say, "Get Out".

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    Quote Originally Posted by t0rnado View Post
    Then you're a fascist who wants to tell private property owners along the border who they can and cannot allow on their property.
    As long as they don't cross the border or use any public roads feel free to magically teleport them to your home and back when you are done with them.

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by t0rnado View Post
    Then you're a fascist who wants to tell private property owners along the border who they can and cannot allow on their property.
    You only own the property up to Your property line.
    Nothing outside of Your Property is yours alone.
    The Law does not stop at your property line and Illegal hiring practices are still just that, Illegal and an extreme detriment to our economy due to the position it places corporate slaves into and by inducing them to apply for Government handouts in which the rest of us must pay for.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunedain View Post
    Liberty does not give you the right to come into my home unvited. I have the liberty to say, "Get Out".
    Do you own the U.S.? I respect private property rights, but you are talking about using the violence of the state against me, so you are certainly against liberty.



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Dunedain View Post
    As long as they don't cross the border or use any public roads feel free to magically teleport them to your home and back when you are done with them.
    A person crossing the border into private property does not directly or indirectly impede upon your rights in any way.

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    Dunedain, would you still be hell bent on keeping out so-called "illegals" if the welfare-warfare state did not exist? If so, why?

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Dunedain View Post
    Then you do not respect the United State's border and therefore are a domestic enemy of the United States.
    Hate to break it to ya, but all of us are enemies to the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolutionSD View Post
    Do you own the U.S.? I respect private property rights, but you are talking about using the violence of the state against me, so you are certainly against liberty.
    This is generally what happens when people break the law at the detriment of their fellow citizens.
    Your argument is false however because our government has taken Your position and turns a blind eye due to its own agenda which is to maintain a poor handout driven population which continually votes for their welfare incentives.
    Sadly I must say, you are winning despite being wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Hate to break it to ya, but all of us are enemies to the United States.
    Yep.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Dieseler View Post
    You only own the property up to Your property line.
    Nothing outside of Your Property is yours alone.
    The Law does not stop at your property line and Illegal hiring practices are still just that, Illegal and an extreme detriment to our economy due to the position it places corporate slaves into and by inducing them to apply for Government handouts in which the rest of us must pay for.
    You're thinking in collectivist terms. There no "our" economy. Whether some construction worker born one mile north of the Texas-Mexican border loses his job or whether a person born one mile south of the Texas-Mexican border gains a job does not bother me in the least bit. You addressed the problem in your post and that problem is government handouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieseler View Post
    This is generally what happens when people break the law at the detriment of their fellow citizens.
    Your argument is false however because our government has taken Your position and turns a blind eye due to its own agenda which is to maintain a poor handout driven population which continually votes for their welfare incentives.
    Sadly I must say, you are winning despite being wrong.
    So what would keeping out immigrants do to shrink government?
    You are saying you are 1) for bureaucrats stealing money from us to "enforce the border", and 2) wanting to cut the branches instead of striking the root. The root of the problem is clearly the welfare-warfare state. If this were eliminated, why would you still give a $#@! about "border enforcement"? It's a non-issue.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by RevolutionSD View Post
    Dunedain, would you still be hell bent on keeping out so-called "illegals" if the welfare-warfare state did not exist? If so, why?
    To be honest, if it would stop them I would turn my attention to other matters that are more critical. However, dismantling the system of entitlements is a road longer than the one to mars. Therefore, I prefer to attack the problem from all fronts.

    So:

    Border enforcement + less immigration + dismantling the welfare state = net positive for my children and my children's children.

  27. #24
    [Open borders] are okay as long as those coming across receive no welfare, understand the value of private property, understand limited government and self-responsibility.

    But, S. America is one big socialist cluster****. —Something to consider when folks are pouring over the border.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by RevolutionSD View Post
    Dunedain, would you still be hell bent on keeping out so-called "illegals" if the welfare-warfare state did not exist? If so, why?
    Not directed at me but the very reason our government allows them to pour into our country is the point exactly.
    Stop and think about it.
    This blind eye agenda provides the very votes that enables the welfare system to continue its expansion beyond any hope of ever being contained.
    Mudhuts and mudpies is the outcome.
    Feudal lordships and loyal Indentured servitude.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by RevolutionSD View Post
    Dunedain, would you still be hell bent on keeping out so-called "illegals" if the welfare-warfare state did not exist? If so, why?

    I didn't notice any significant infiltration of pro-illegals in the forums and look with their little numbers they had jeopardized the very border of that country, imagine an endless influx of them...what you see?

    If something doesn't have a limit it doesn't mean it's endless on the outside...but it doesn't exist in the inside at all. How do you define an area that has no borders? It doesn't exist.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Dunedain View Post
    To be honest, if it would stop them I would turn my attention to other matters that are more critical. However, dismantling the system of entitlements is a road longer than the one to mars. Therefore, I prefer to attack the problem from all fronts.

    So:

    Border enforcement + less immigration + dismantling the welfare state = net positive for my children and my children's children.
    No way. By supporting "border control", you are supporting big government. If you are for liberty, you have to support the shrinking or elimination of government in all areas, and the absolute oppposition to state violence and theft.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by rpfan2008 View Post
    I didn't notice any significant infiltration of pro-illegals in the forums and look with their little numbers they had jeopardized the very border of that country, imagine an endless influx of them...what you see?

    If something doesn't have a limit it doesn't mean it's endless on the outside...but it doesn't exist in the inside at all. How do you define an area that has no borders? It doesn't exist.
    So you're problem is not with people breaking the law, but with brown people?

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by RevolutionSD View Post
    So what would keeping out immigrants do to shrink government?
    You are saying you are 1) for bureaucrats stealing money from us to "enforce the border", and 2) wanting to cut the branches instead of striking the root. The root of the problem is clearly the welfare-warfare state. If this were eliminated, why would you still give a $#@! about "border enforcement"? It's a non-issue.
    I'm basically trying to make the point to you that this blind eye to Illegal Immigration agenda is Endgame.
    If you do not see that then you are missing the big picture.
    I am fully aware that my wishes will not be carried out.
    The law will not be obeyed because it would stop the bleeding if it were.
    The intent is as I said before.
    Mudhuts and mudpies, third world America for all with Feudal Lords and loyal Indentured servitude for all below.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Dieseler View Post
    Not directed at me but the very reason our government allows them to pour into our country is the point exactly.
    Stop and think about it.
    This blind eye agenda provides the very votes that enables the welfare system to continue its expansion beyond any hope of ever being contained.
    Mudhuts and mudpies is the outcome.
    Feudal lordships and loyal Indentured servitude.
    By supporting border control you are supporting the expansion of government, which is an anti-liberty position.

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