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Thread: Obama gave INTERPOL immunity from the Constitution on Dec 16! IMPORTANT

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    Obama gave INTERPOL immunity from the Constitution on Dec 16! IMPORTANT

    (Hat tip to an ATS poster that found this EO item originally. This analysis is mine however. Yeah it's long but this is VERY Important!!! Please read, understand and SPREAD!)

    Signed by Obama just 6 days ago.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...ve-order-12425

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.

    Here is the original EO12425, signed by Reagan in 1983:
    http://www.answers.com/topic/executive-order-12425

    By virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and statutes of the United States, including Section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669, 22 U.S.C. 288), it is hereby ordered that the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), in which the United States participates pursuant to 22 U.S.C. 263a, is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act; except those provided by Section 2(c), the portions of Section 2(d) and Section 3 relating to customs duties and federal internal-revenue importation taxes, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act. This designation is not intended to abridge in any respect the privileges, exemptions or immunities which such organization may have acquired or may acquire by international agreement or by Congressional action.
    So Obama's Amendment turns Reagan's EO 12425 into:

    By virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and statutes of the United States, including Section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669, 22 U.S.C. 288), it is hereby ordered that the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), in which the United States participates pursuant to 22 U.S.C. 263a, is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act. This designation is not intended to abridge in any respect the privileges, exemptions or immunities which such organization may have acquired or may acquire by international agreement or by Congressional action.
    Wow, that's a lot of "except those provided by sections" deleted! So there's NO restrictions anymore? Keep reading....

    Here's a link to Int'l Organizations Immunities Act:
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht..._20_XVIII.html

    Section 2(c) covers SEARCH AND SEIZURE! INTERPOL is now untouchable on US soil. Remember, the original EO excluded these exemptions! These exemptions now apply to INTERPOL on US soil.
    (c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inviolable
    1. prohibiting violation; secure from destruction, violence, infringement, or desecration: an inviolable sanctuary; an inviolable promise.
    2. incapable of being violated; incorruptible; unassailable: inviolable secrecy.
    Section 3 exempts duties and taxation from baggage. INTERPOL now can bring in (or out) a bag with whatever it wants in it. How can you impose duty or tax on something inside a bag you can't search?
    § 288b. Baggage and effects of officers and employees exempted from customs duties and internal revenue taxes
    Pursuant to regulations prescribed by the Commissioner of Customs with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, the baggage and effects of alien officers and employees of international organizations, or of aliens designated by foreign governments to serve as their representatives in or to such organizations, or of the families, suites, and servants of such officers, employees, or representatives shall be admitted (when imported in connection with the arrival of the owner) free of customs duties and free of internal-revenue taxes imposed upon or by reason of importation.
    Section 4 exempts all property taxes being levied. INTERPOL can now build or occupy whatever properties it wants within the US and not have to pay any property taxes of any sort.
    § 288c. Exemption from property taxes
    International organizations shall be exempt from all property taxes imposed by, or under the authority of, any Act of Congress, including such Acts as are applicable solely to the District of Columbia or the Territories.
    Section 5 gives immunity from any sort of registration of foreign agents. INTERPOL now doesn't even need to declare themselves or presumably even need a passport to enter the US. SHADOW POLICE! Don't believe me? Read it for yourself! Oh and you can't sue any of them for any reason.
    § 288d. Privileges, exemptions, and immunities of officers, employees, and their families; waiver
    (a) Persons designated by foreign governments to serve as their representatives in or to international organizations and the officers and employees of such organizations, and members of the immediate families of such representatives, officers, and employees residing with them, other than nationals of the United States, shall, insofar as concerns laws regulating entry into and departure from the United States, alien registration and fingerprinting, and the registration of foreign agents, be entitled to the same privileges, exemptions, and immunities as are accorded under similar circumstances to officers and employees, respectively, of foreign governments, and members of their families.
    (b) Representatives of foreign governments in or to international organizations and officers and employees of such organizations shall be immune from suit and legal process relating to acts performed by them in their official capacity and falling within their functions as such representatives, officers, or employees except insofar as such immunity may be waived by the foreign government or international organization concerned.
    Section 6, last but not least, sets requirements that foreign agents be "recognized" by the State Dept in order to receive the immunities in this Act. Not anymore!
    § 288e. Personnel entitled to benefits
    (a) Notification to and acceptance by Secretary of State of personnel
    No person shall be entitled to the benefits of this subchapter, unless he
    (1) shall have been duly notified to and accepted by the Secretary of State as a representative, officer, or employee; or
    (2) shall have been designated by the Secretary of State, prior to formal notification and acceptance, as a prospective representative, officer, or employee; or
    (3) is a member of the family or suite, or servant, of one of the foregoing accepted or designated representatives, officers, or employees.
    (b) Deportation of undesirables
    Should the Secretary of State determine that the continued presence in the United States of any person entitled to the benefits of this subchapter is not desirable, he shall so inform the foreign government or international organization concerned, as the case may be, and after such person shall have had a reasonable length of time, to be determined by the Secretary of State, to depart from the United States, he shall cease to be entitled to such benefits.
    (c) Extent of diplomatic status
    No person shall, by reason of the provisions of this subchapter, be considered as receiving diplomatic status or as receiving any of the privileges incident thereto other than such as are specifically set forth herein.
    So here's the bottom line:

    INTERPOL, an international law enforcement agency, has just been granted complete and utter "diplomatic immunity" within the borders of the United States, courtesy of Obama. They are not subject to any Constitutional limitations within the United States. Good luck filing for discovery, documents, witnesses or subpoenas against a police force that is operating outside of the Constitution in your own country! You can't sue them. Their records can't be searched. They are not subject to FOIA requests. You probably won't even know the name of the agent prosecuting you if INTERPOL comes to visit. And they don't have to tell you either.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!

    I got a headache now....


    (later edit: Wow I just did a google search and my post is all over the net and still spreading. Very cool and thx to everyone that helped get it out there. This seems to be opening some fresh eyes.)
    Last edited by devil21; 12-23-2009 at 07:58 PM.
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    Ron Paul should get on this.

    CFL asked recently which of 4 issues should be addressed.

    The Patriot Act / Dangerous ID was one of the 4. This fits together with those.

    This is some scary stuff.

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    It gets better (or worse)

    Waco Siege "Enforcer" To Rule Over Global UN and Interpol Police Force coming to US
    http://homelessokc.newsvine.com/_new...e-coming-to-us
    For a taste of what Americans who aren't so favorable to taking orders from foreigners on home soil can expect, consider the fact that the secretary general of Interpol, and one of the men at the forefront of setting up the global police force, is none other than Ronald K. Noble.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    after ww2 we have the situation whereupon to harry s. truman's people, the ancient ww2 era interpol
    had an odium & an aura that mayhap only recently dissipated in full, if we go by our potus's new actions!

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    Carrying Dubya Bush policies to new lows... like EFF.org stated, WORST THAN BUSH!

    Investigate the people behind the Puppet. The National Security Council is where much of this ruthless $#@! comes from.
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    I wonder how many Local Sherriff's Departments are aware of this.
    This is definitely a breach of trust between the Government and the people here not to mention Local Police and Federal Authorities.
    This will only serve to build more paranoia in the minds of those who Are paying attention.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.

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    The first thing I thought was. Does this allow interpol to enter your house and make you house them?



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    This could lead to gunfights between Local Authorities and International police.
    Pandora's box is not only open but its sides have been split with a razor and it now resides in a dumpster.

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    Im glad this is catching on. I hope my write up helped spread the info.

    Some interesting takes other people have on this has opened it up a little further to discussion. Just some food for thought on where this could go.

    1. Could INTERPOL simply deputize US local, state, federal police? Those cops would suddenly no longer be subject to the Constitution either and would be granted the same immunities while serving as INTERPOL agents. It has been said that INTERPOL doesn't have a formal "police force" but rather just makes use of the authorities where they are operating. (EDIT: It does exclude US Nationals, after all. Will the law be amended soon?)

    2. Makes it very easy for INTERPOL agents to move into, around, and then out of US with little to no paper trail, and what paper trail there is would be immune from our legal process. I wonder if another 9/11 is in the works? Obama's approval ratings are falling like rock, while the economy continues downward. Another big 9/11 would be a great tool to consolidate power further while boosting Obama's ratings and distracting from the crap economy.
    Last edited by devil21; 12-22-2009 at 06:52 PM.
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    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It gets better (or worse)

    Waco Siege "Enforcer" To Rule Over Global UN and Interpol Police Force coming to US
    http://homelessokc.newsvine.com/_new...e-coming-to-us
    Hahahahha!!!!

    David Koresh was probably more correct than he ever imagined...
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    "Section 3 exempts duties and taxation from baggage. INTERPOL now can bring in (or out) a bag with whatever it wants in it. How can you impose duty or tax on something inside a bag you can't search?"

    This is currently the case for all diplomatic bags anyway, nothing has changed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulVolunteer View Post
    "Section 3 exempts duties and taxation from baggage. INTERPOL now can bring in (or out) a bag with whatever it wants in it. How can you impose duty or tax on something inside a bag you can't search?"

    This is currently the case for all diplomatic bags anyway, nothing has changed here.
    Maybe Im misunderstanding what you're saying here? Please clarify.

    INTERPOL wasn't considered "diplomatic" until Obama's EO amendment, because of the exclusions in Reagan's EO. It hasn't changed for recognized "diplomats" but it has changed for INTERPOL.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    It's all about Freedom

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    Can you post the NYT article text pcosmar? It wants a login from me.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Wow, more national sovereignty disappearing. Only slaves believe in citizenship.



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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Can you post the NYT article text pcosmar? It wants a login from me.
    October 12, 2009
    Interpol and U.N. Back ‘Global Policing Doctrine’
    By DOREEN CARVAJAL

    PARIS — Interpol and the United Nations are poised to become partners in fighting crime by jointly grooming a global police force that would be deployed as peacekeepers among rogue nations riven by war and organized crime, officials from both organizations say.

    On Monday, justice and foreign ministers from more than 60 countries, including the United States and China, are gathering in Singapore for a meeting hosted by the two international organizations.

    It is the first step toward creating what Interpol calls a “global policing doctrine” that would enable Interpol and the United Nations to improve the skills of police peacekeepers, largely by sharing a secure communications network and a vast electronic trove of criminal information, including DNA records, fingerprints, photographs and fugitive notices.

    “We have a visionary model,” said Ronald K. Noble, secretary general of Interpol and the first American to head the international police organization, which is based in Lyon. More than 187 member nations finance the organization.

    “The police will be trained and equipped differently with resources,” Mr. Noble said. “When they stop someone, they will be consulting global databases to determine who they are stopping.”

    Modern peacekeeping has evolved dramatically since the blue-helmeted U.N. military force won a Nobel Peace Prize in 1988. Since 2005, the number of police officers within the total force of 95,400 peacekeepers has more than doubled from about 6,000 to 12,200 in 17 countries.

    U.N. police are already battling kidnappings and drug crime in Haiti and illicit lumber trading in Liberia. The aim of the joint effort is to increase the ability to track the movement of criminals around the world by sharing resources and common standards, according to Mr. Noble. He is also pressing ahead with plans for special electronic passports for the agency’s staff of more than 600 Interpol investigators to speed border crossings.

    The Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is contributing more than $2 million to finance the development of international global policing standards, according to Andrew Hughes, an Australian who currently heads the U.N.’s force of police officers.

    The ambition is to create a series of networks to counter borderless organized criminal operations, Mr. Hughes said. Women, in particular, are being recruited, with a goal of reaching 20 percent of the U.N. force and the development of all-female units like the group of 140 peacekeepers from Bangladesh that is about to be deployed.

    “We’re working with refugees,” Mr. Hughes said. “Many of the victims of atrocities are women, and they’ve had enough of men with guns and uniforms.”

    He said that among the most critical tasks for a global police force were combating illegal arms and drug trafficking. His own officers in West Africa have watched the growth of cocaine smuggling by Colombian and Venezuelan drug cartels through weakened countries like Sierra Leone and Liberia to the lucrative consumer markets in Europe.

    The United States remains the biggest market for cocaine, according to the U.N.’s annual report on drugs and crime. But in the past three years, South American cartels have moved more drugs to Europe using transit points like Guinea Bissau, where the president and the head of the military were killed in sophisticated bombing attacks in March. Each year, at least 50 tons of cocaine from Andean countries passes through West Africa to the streets of Europe, where the drugs are worth almost $2 billion, according to the U.N. report.

    “Organized crime is a business that looks for opportunity to expand their market enterprise,” Mr. Hughes said. “When you have a breakdown in police and courts and corrections, organized crime is ripe. We also see the toxic effect of corruption, because they are able to corrupt officials, which makes it difficult to build a functioning society.”

    In Afghanistan, where heroin and hashish trafficking is also a thorny issue, NATO announced plans this month to start training the local police — a move it has avoided in the past to concentrate on military responsibilities.

    But Mr. Noble of Interpol says he takes a dim view of transforming warriors into beat cops, because the mind-sets are so different.

    “We caution on making the delegation of civil police development tasks to military structures,” Mr. Noble said, citing the example of an attack that freed hundreds of Taliban from a prison in Kandahar, Afghanistan, last year. Although Interpol immediately asked for information about the missing prisoners, he said, “we were really shocked and dismayed to learn there were no fingerprints and photographs despite billions spent to train police there.”

    With the meeting of justice ministers on Monday, which coincides with a general assembly of Interpol police members, the group is expected to debate the global police issue and to craft a declaration that would lead to an action plan for international police peacekeeping within 12 months.
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    http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/...9/PR200987.asp
    INTERPOL co-ordinates landmark hazardous waste operation in North America
    the operation also involved INTERPOL’s National Central Bureaus (NCBs) in Ottawa and Washington which provided secure police communication channels, access to a range of INTERPOL databases and analytical support*.

    http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/58384.html
    Working with INTERPOL and Canadian authorities, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)....

    search in google for interpol and your local .gov site, enjoy what pops up, there are others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Hahahahha!!!!

    David Koresh was probably more correct than he ever imagined...
    Freaky how all this stuff comes full circle.
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    I was hoping that this would open the door to Bush and Cheney being extraordinarily rendered and possibly tortured till they told us everything we wanted them to tell us, whether it was true or not.

    That would be a Christmas miracle.

    I don't feel this way about all Republicans, just those that violate the law.

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    I was hoping that this would open the door to Bush and Cheney being extraordinarily rendered and possibly tortured till they told us everything we wanted them to tell us, whether it was true or not.

    That would be a Christmas miracle.

    I don't feel this way about all Republicans, just those that violate the law.
    I like this person already.

    Welcome!

  25. #22
    They are losing control.

    Otherwise, they would not resort to such extreme measures. They know they cannot win using violence.

    This is a sign of weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!
    Wake up to what?

    To face the horror?

    That, de facto, we have already succumbed to the New World Order?

    Twaddle...half the people on this board won't even admit to the horror right in their face.
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    INTERPOL = International CRIMINAL POLICE Organization.

    Yeah, they sure are, aren't they?
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  29. #25
    Aye Anti-Fed.. but what to do...what to do?

    For myself it is creating who I am as a business entity and not contributing to the Fed.
    I'll still pay state taxes. I feel that within my state changes can be made. Changes that will affect the federal relationship.

    As far as federal taxation. No.

    I'd like to say I'll see ya on the inside (of a camp). However, that is not an option. But, that is just me.

    Good luck to all. Because there is no longer a rule book to this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Aye Anti-Fed.. but what to do...what to do?

    For myself it is creating who I am as a business entity and not contributing to the Fed.
    I'll still pay state taxes. I feel that within my state changes can be made. Changes that will affect the federal relationship.

    As far as federal taxation. No.

    I'd like to say I'll see ya on the inside (of a camp). However, that is not an option. But, that is just me.

    Good luck to all. Because there is no longer a rule book to this game.

    Hail Mary! I'll pass and pass a plenty when the championship comes a knockin'
    You talking about income tax?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    You talking about income tax?
    Fed tax, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Fed tax, yes.
    How do you do that? The State tax is based on your Federal Tax.
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    How do you do that? The State tax is based on your Federal Tax.
    As a worker your taxes are automatically withheld by your employer through force. As an independent contractor you are responsible for your taxes.

    Pay them if you wish or face the repercussions. On one end you'll at the least get your day in court and hope that there are enough activists to distribute enough literature regarding jury nullification.

    On the other end. Well, lets just say your committed without being committed.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    As a worker your taxes are automatically withheld by your employer through force. As an independent contractor you are responsible for your taxes.

    Pay them if you wish or face the repercussions. On one end you'll at the least get your day in court and hope that there are enough activists to distribute enough literature regarding jury nullification.

    On the other end. Well, lets just say your committed without being committed.
    So you are reporting that you have taxable income to the state, but at the same time you are denying that you have taxable income to the Feds?
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