Understanding how the smallest governments may produce the largest governments.

**AutonomousLiberty** · 12-04-2009, 09:22 AM

YouTube - Understanding how the smallest governments may produce the largest governments.

Video transcript:

"Clearly the American experiment in the 18th century was designed to create and maintain - sustain - the smallest government in the history of the world. That was the goal of the Founding Fathers. The specific goal was to create the smallest government in the history of the world.

Now, if I say that I have come up with some cure for AIDS or HIV infection or whatever. Then if I say, you know, drink this coffee and you'll be immune to the infection, or the infection will be .00001% of the population and everybody drinks my medicine and then we end up with the largest AIDS or HIV infection epidemic in the history of the planet - that is specifically inflicted upon those who took my medicine - then clearly we can say that my medicine is not only not working it is doing the opposite of working. It's causing people to get infected rather than curing them. That would be the logical conclusion that if everybody who takes my medicine which is claimed to be a cure ends up getting sick. Then clearly it's not a cure but rather an infection.

So if we look at the history of the United States, the grand experiment in minimal states - in small government. If we look at the history of it over the past 200+ years, it's clear that while the system was objectively clearly put in place with obviously no income tax, tiny federal government, no state tax, just a couple of excise tariffs, no standing army, and no government control of the money supply, no national debt, with a Constitution, Congress, all of the checks and balances. An amazing designed system of checks and balances. I couldn't do any better. Maybe you could, but I wouldn't put a lot of money on it because there were pretty smart people who were doing this.

The U.S. experiment was specifically designed to create the smallest possible government and to sustain control over the government.
The goal is to cure the power of the government, right? That was the goal. That is what it was designed to do.

And...

What has the result been?

Just look at it objectively.

The goal of the American experiment was to create the smallest possible government that the history of the world had ever seen. Ever.

What is the result of that experiment been?

Well, the result of the experiment to create and sustain to create and sustain the smallest possible government in the history of the world has been the creation of the largest, most powerful government that the world has ever seen.

Just take a moment, let that bubble through your cranium for a bit.

It's really quite astounding. Weapons of mass destruction with 700+ military bases overseas. With the capacity to wipe out all life on the planet many times over. A government whose power would make Rome look like a local DMV office.

This is natural. Sadly, it's inevitable.

Because the smaller you make a government in the beginning, the faster the economy grows - the more productive is the free market. Because the free market is so productive it can handle a lot of taxation, a lot of growth in government power before buckling.

So, what happens is when you make the government small, you make the profitability of increasing the size of the government that much greater. Because there's more wealth to tax, there's more resources to control, so you attract more and more government. And because the government ends up with so much money when it taxes and controls a quote 'free-market economy,' because the government ends up with so much money and power, it can do things like develop weapons of mass destruction, have a permanent military-industrial warfare-welfare state. It can buy up massive sections of the population and embed them into dependence on the state.

It's like if you find a way to get your cows to produce ten times as much milk, all you do is make those cows more valuable to be owned by farmers.

So when you have a small government, and you make each individual citizen that much more productive because of a lack of government interference, that citizen becomes that much more profitable to rule from the state.

The smallest governments always produce the largest governments.

It's completely impossible for it to occur any other way.

It never has in history, never will.

The smallest government that came out of the separation of church and state in the taming of the aristocracy in England, in the 17th - 18th - early 19th century, that was the smallest government in Europe. What did it produce? Why - it produced the British Empire.

Whenever you minimize government, you increase the value of the economy, which means that the government can grow larger and larger.

It's like the further you push it down, the higher it bounces.

So even if we were able to get back to some magical constitution-limited government, all that would happen is the whole process would start all over again."

**Icymudpuppy** · 12-04-2009, 10:59 AM

Ok, so having identified a problem, what is your proposed solution.

The Anarchists would say "No government at all!" but if your theory is correct, that would definitely result in a one-world government.

Are you suggesting European style socialism as the solution being it is a moderate government idea so holding your metaphorical ball at a steady level? That system has only been in operation a few decades, and the jury is still out on what will come of it.

**TortoiseDream** · 12-04-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Icymudpuppy

Ok, so having identified a problem, what is your proposed solution.

The Anarchists would say "No government at all!" but if your theory is correct, that would definitely result in a one-world government.

Are you suggesting European style socialism as the solution being it is a moderate government idea so holding your metaphorical ball at a steady level? That system has only been in operation a few decades, and the jury is still out on what will come of it.

Definitely? That's a pretty big jump and claim, care to explain?

To me anarchy is not the loss of order, but simply the enforcement of order through non-violent means. To this end what we usually call a state does not exist.

**ClayTrainor** · 12-04-2009, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Icymudpuppy

Ok, so having identified a problem, what is your proposed solution.

Natural Law and the Free-market.

In other words,

Universal Law, Local Enforcement.

"The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State...is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State." - Murray Rothbard

The Anarchists would say "No government at all!" but if your theory is correct, that would definitely result in a one-world government.

That's a drastic assumption, the burden of proof is on you at this point.

When you cut out 75% of a tumor (minarchy), it grows into more cancer. When you cut out 100% of a tumor (anarchy), you kill the cancer.

Are you suggesting European style socialism

Dear Lord, No!!!!

You need to re-read the OP.