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    Please, this is what the establishment wants. Divide and concur. Please don't let them succeed.

    Trey Grayson attacked Rand on the issue because he knew it would be divisive. Trey new Paul either had to say one thing, and make the people of Kentucky very unhappy, or say another thing and cause problems in much of his national base.

    Please read the two articles I've put together. This is definitely a very well orchestrated event by the Trey Grayson camp. And Rand, being a little green to the political process simply had trouble with handling it.

    Rand Paul and Guantanamo: First debate with Trey Grayson

    Clinton backer turned GOPer Grayson calling Rand Paul a "flip flopper"

    Remember people, this is why we LIKE Rand, because he ISN'T a career politician, lets not be angry because he's not savvy like one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyorbit View Post
    Please, this is what the establishment wants. Divide and concur. Please don't let them succeed.
    I think the establishment would be just as happy if we abandoned our principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rp08orbust View Post
    I think the establishment would be just as happy if we abandoned our principles.
    Happier.
    Chris

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    And what is the point of backing him again if he is just going to say what he wants to get elected? With that in mind, we may as well back Grayson. If Rand wanted to avoid a catch-22, he should have just remained silent on the issue. His father never comprised his principles to win when he was running on the national stage.

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    If you abandon some principles in place of others, you could vote for anyone. Obama ran on closing gitmo. We decided not to support him as a group because of his economic policies.
    "Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank...You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out."- Andrew Jackson (The Guy on the 20)

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    This is really bad. I am going to support Rand Paul period. What good is it going to do us IF HE CAN"T GET IN?????"??? TO:NES

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    Quote Originally Posted by South Park Fan View Post
    And what is the point of backing him again if he is just going to say what he wants to get elected? With that in mind, we may as well back Grayson. If Rand wanted to avoid a catch-22, he should have just remained silent on the issue. His father never comprised his principles to win when he was running on the national stage.
    He couldn't keep quiet. Grayson made sure of that.

    I think the press announcement was worded badly too, but I do not see him as giving up any of his principles in it, either.
    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=pB5JgzBVHN0


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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    This is really bad. I am going to support Rand Paul period. What good is it going to do us IF HE CAN"T GET IN?????"??? TO:NES
    When you support a person and not principles you lose your credibility. If you just want to support winning candidates there are plenty of sell outs from which to choose.
    "Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank...You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out."- Andrew Jackson (The Guy on the 20)

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    While Rand's comment was disturbing, I'm not going to stop supporting him just because of it. Although I have tons of respect for anyone who does. That's why I love you guys, you're hard-core and you stick to your principles.

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    Meh, either you trust the man or you don't, and I think Rand knows that if he starts acting like a retarded necon, then the good Dr. Paul (the older one) will whip out the belt and give him a dose of attitude adjustment.

    And the infighting between liberty-minded people is just lame.

    Face it, Rand isn't Stefan Molyneux and I don't want him to be. He's a conservative constitutionalist and though he has yet to really prove himself like Ron has, I'm all for him.

    This is not a question of the lesser of two evils, it's the question of evil (Traitorson) vs. imperfect good (the eye cutter) IMO.

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