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Thread: The Holy Grail of Converting Pro-War Republicans to Ron Paul

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    i've been working on showing my stepdad the ron paul message and i stumbled across what i think is the single most effective thing to show someone who comes from that perspective.

    first off, hes in his 40s and Reagan was the first republican he voted for, during the excitement era of the republican party and has voted for them ever since.

    Reagan to him is no longer a human being and is now some sort of deific type figure, and i showed him the beginning part of the "a time for choosing" speech.

    i didn't show him any of the ones that are packaged with ron paul slogans because they seem cherry picked and it doesn't have the same impact.

    but the critical thing here is the MSM has connected Vietnam and Iraq irrevocably. The secret weapon here is when Ronald Reagan uses Vietnam as an example of the evils of a secret socialist plot to overtake the original intent of the founding fathers.

    This critical moment clicks over in his head in the sense that it sounds IDENTICAL to Ron Paul's position on Iraq.

    this speech sounds like a Ron Paul speech from a week ago.

    im serious in that my stepdad looked dizzy the rest of the night after watching this video. it just lulls you into the golden reagan voice, talking about small government virtues, and just when you stop paying attention... BAM, 2 minutes in, an anti-vietnam statement that simply makes it click.

    i really urge that a ron paul supporter show this to your sortof neoconned friends who idolize reagan, without the thomas jefferson quotes or ron paul stuff cut in. just seeing ron pauls message come out of reagan's mouth is more powerful to them. try it out if your at an empasse. im pretty sure this is the beginning part of his famous speech endorsing barry goldwater... the vietnam statement i think is a minute and a half in.


    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88975023965161

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    That truly is one of the best libertarian speaches Reagan ever made. I'll start posting it in all my rebuttals against the neocons.
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    yeah, its almost better if you just posted it AS the reply.

    haha. and didn't say anything else.

    theyd be like "why is this guy posting a reagan video" then as they watch....
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    Awesome.
    This is a really great speech (and it sounds so contemporary!).
    I'll put this to work right away!

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    wow richard man, great job finding this.

    I intend to shut a few people up, that ive had arguments with and i think this video is the tool to do it.

    i hate how alot of the neo-cons quote Reagan all the time yet, they go against almost everything he stood for.

    Great Speech!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClayTrainor View Post
    wow richard man, great job finding this.
    I didn't find it, bro. Barry did.
    Amendment I.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    all us tennesseans look alike
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    Unbelievable.
    GWB doubled the size of the department of education, yet in this video and later on, Reagan wanted to get rid of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryDonegan View Post
    all us tennesseans look alike
    real good lookin'. so perdy it'll blind ya.
    Amendment I.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard1984 View Post
    I didn't find it, bro. Barry did.
    wow, im such a fool, hahaha


    thanks barry

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    Greatness! Thank you, just emailed to all my meetup people!

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    This is a really good video of that speech.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s06YhQyv3w

    Its edited it up to sell it to pro-bush republicans.
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    innocently post this on http://forums.hannity.com/index.php and other neocon forums.

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    What a great speech! I just posted it to the Dr. No! Zone blog. Any chance someone has the video file of this? I'd like to add it to a DVD I'm working on.

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    i don't like the edited one because they edited out the vietnam comment, thats the epicenter of the whole thing when comparing it now to iraq.
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    Man, this is EXCELLENT STUFF!!!

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    excellent speech. I've heard the "only an up and a down" part already. But the whole thing makes it that much better. I will be showing it to my dad who loved reagan.

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    Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-points-of-fright View Post
    Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.
    "Admittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face--that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight and surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he would rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery."

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    this speech was posted on the daily paul by retro republican months ago, I've been using it since then.

    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/1429
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryDonegan View Post
    all us tennesseans look alike
    Yeah but the rest of us are too polite to discuss your gene pool in public.

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    Someone with video editing skils should make a compilation video with this and some of ron paul's speeches that talk about similar things. alternate between reagan and paul every few lines. you could call it "ronald paul". or just try to get the ronald regan video floating around as many corporate listeserves as possible with subjects like "ronald reagan for veteran ron paul"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-points-of-fright View Post
    Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.
    Agreed. I think the parts about govt intervention and obeying the constitution fit Ron Paul to a tee.

    But the parts about "peace through strength" and we must fight out of "duty" and not appease our enemies may reinforce the neocon position. I'm not sure Ronald Reagan would be on Ron Paul's side of the war. Let me know if you interpreted it differently.

    The part about Vietnam at 2:00 is kind of vague. I'm not sure what his point was. Any thoughts? I thought he was saying that we need to unite as a country behind our troops instead of letting others die for us while others cry for peace. I don't know. Please provide thoughts.....

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    I interpreted the last 5 minutes as to have a strong military so that when the time comes we can woop ass. He is saying only go to war when it's a defensive war.

    Iraq is definitely an offensive war. Capturing terrorists in afghanistan was the defensive part, which we should have done right and even gone covertly into pakistan.

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    all the defensive war statements in that were in reference to communism.

    he, however, definately opposed vietnam in that speech, which is more relative to iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terlinguatx View Post
    Someone with video editing skils should make a compilation video with this and some of ron paul's speeches that talk about similar things. alternate between reagan and paul every few lines. you could call it "ronald paul". or just try to get the ronald regan video floating around as many corporate listeserves as possible with subjects like "ronald reagan for veteran ron paul"
    *** Everyone should read what you just wrote and do it. I'm not tech saavy.
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    Yeah I second (or third?) that idea that someone needs to make a video for youtube or something using lots of quotes from Regan in it, and clips of him too if you can add some of that in as well. And quotes from the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence since every American can relate to those documents.

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