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    Iran test-fires short-range missiles

    This situation is getting more and more interesting. And apparently there are a couple more tests to come. I'm gonna get some popcorn.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/..._mi_ea/ml_iran

    EHRAN – Iran said it successfully test-fired short-range missiles during military drills Sunday by the elite Revolutionary Guard, a show of force days after the U.S. warned Tehran over a newly revealed underground nuclear facility it was secretly constructing.

    Gen. Hossein Salami, head of the Revolutionary Guard Air Force, said Iran also tested a multiple missile launcher for the first time. The official English-language Press TV showed pictures of at least two missiles being fired simultaneously and said they were from Sunday's drill in a central Iran desert. In the clip, men could be heard shouting "Allahu Akbar" as the missiles were launched.

    "We are going to respond to any military action in a crushing manner and it doesn't make any difference which country or regime has launched the aggression," state media quoted Salami as saying. He said the missiles successfully hit their targets.

    The powerful Revolutionary Guard defends Iran's clerical rulers. It has its own ground, naval and air units and its air force controls the country's missile program.

    The tests came two days after the U.S. and its allies disclosed that Iran had been secretly developing a previously unknown underground uranium enrichment facility and warned the country it must open the nuclear site to international inspection or face harsher international sanctions. The drill was planned before that disclosure.

    The newly revealed nuclear site in the arid mountains near the holy city of Qom is believed to be inside a heavily guarded, underground facility belonging to the Revolutionary Guard, according to a document sent by President Barack Obama's administration to lawmakers.

    After the strong condemnations from the U.S. and its allies, Iran said Saturday it will allow U.N. nuclear inspectors to examine the site.

    Nuclear experts said the details that have emerged about the site and the fact it was being developed secretly are strong indications that Iran's nuclear program is not only for peaceful purposes, as the country has long maintained.

    By U.S. estimates, Iran is one to five years away from having a nuclear weapons capability, although U.S. intelligence also believes that Iranian leaders have not yet made the decision to build a weapon.

    Iran also is developing a longer-range ballistic missile that could carry a nuclear warhead, but the administration said last week that it believes that effort has been slowed. That assessment paved the way for Obama's decision to shelve the Bush administration's plan for a missile shield in Europe, which was aimed at defending against Iranian ballistic missiles.

    Salami said Iran would test medium-range Shahab-1 and Shahab-2 missiles on Sunday night and a longer-range Shahab-3 missiles on Monday, during drills set to last several days.

    Salami said Fateh, Tondar and Zelzal missiles were test fired on Sunday, but did not give specifics on range or other details. All are short-range, surface-to-surface missiles.

    He told reporters Iran had reduced the missiles and their ranges and enhanced their speed and precision so they could be used in quick, short-range engagements. He also said they are now able to be launched from positions that are not as easy to hit.

    He said the Revolutionary Guards' current missile tests and military drills are indications of Iran's resolve to defend its national values and part of a strategy of deterrence and containment of missile threats.

    Salami claimed Iran has started "running into difficulties storing so many missiles" with its recent progress on its missile program.

    Iran has had the solid-fuel Fateh missile, with a range of 120 miles (193 kilometers), for several years. Fateh means conqueror in Farsi and Arabic. It also has the solid-fueled, Chinese-made CSS 8, also called the Tondar 69, according to the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, a private group that seeks to stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction. The Tondar, which means thunder, has a range of about 93 miles (150 kilometers.)

    State media said the Revolutionary Guard tested a multiple launcher for the first time, designed for the Zelzal missile. Tehran has previously tested the Zelzal — versions of which have ranges of 130-185 miles (210-300 kilometers) — but only single launch.

    In July 2006, Israeli military officials said their jets had destroyed a missile in Lebanon named Zelzal, which they said Hezbollah had received from Iran and could reach Tel Aviv. Zelzal means earthquake.

    Iran's last known missile tests were in May when it fired its longest-range solid-fuel missile, Sajjil-2. Tehran said the two-stage surface-to-surface missile has a range of about 1,200 miles (1,900 kilometers) — capable of striking Israel, U.S. Mideast bases and southeastern Europe.

    The revelation of Iran's secret site has given greater urgency to a key meeting on Thursday in Geneva between Iran and six major powers trying to stop its suspected nuclear weapons program.

    The U.S. and its partners plan to tell Tehran at the meeting that it must provide "unfettered access" for the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, within weeks.

    The facility is Iran's second uranium-enrichment site working to produce the fuel to power a nuclear reactor, or potentially the material for a weapon.

    A close aide to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Saturday the site will be operational soon and would pose a threat to those who oppose Iran.

    "This new facility, God willing, will become operational soon and will blind the eyes of the enemies," Mohammad Mohammadi Golpayegani told the semiofficial Fars news agency.

    Evidence of the clandestine facility was presented Friday by Obama, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy at the G-20 economic summit in Pittsburgh. On Saturday, Obama offered Iran "a serious, meaningful dialogue" over its disputed nuclear program, while warning Tehran of grave consequences from a united global front.

    Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Saturday the revelation was firm proof Iran was seeking nuclear weapons.

    Israel considers Iran a strategic threat with its nuclear program, missile development and repeated calls by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for Israel's destruction. It has not ruled out a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear sites.

    In 1981, Israeli warplanes bombed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reaction and in 2007, Israel bombed a site in Syria that the U.S. said was a nearly finished nuclear reactor built with North Korean help that was configured to produce plutonium — one of the substances used in nuclear warheads.

    Israel's Foreign Ministry had no immediate comment on the missile tests.

    Iranian Vice President Ali Akbar Salehi, who heads the country's nuclear program, said Saturday that U.N. nuclear inspectors could visit the nuclear site. On Sunday, he told Press TV Iran and the IAEA would work out the timing of the inspection.

    The small-scale site is meant to house no more than 3,000 centrifuges — much less than the 8,000 machines at Natanz, Iran's known industrial-scale enrichment facility, but they could still potentially help create bomb-making material.

    Experts have estimated that Iran's current number of centrifuges could enrich enough uranium for a bomb in as little as a year. Washington has been pushing for heavier sanctions if Iran does not agree to end enrichment.



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    we need to get organized when the higher ups try to draft us to go die for another war for nothing but the uber rich man's profits.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    we need to get organized when the higher ups try to draft us to go die for another war for nothing but the uber rich man's profits.
    If there are actions against Iran by the US, I imagine that they will have to institute a draft.

    If I put my tinfoil hat on, I might even wonder if the economic slump is part of a strategy to push more young people to join the military. Considering that the economic crash has been coming for a while, that might be a bit of a stretch though.

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    This is crazy, it's time for Israel to test fire a missile too so Iran knows that they are not the only one with a secret nuke program.

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    Iran has some very robust defenses. They have been attacked numerous times over the years.

    I suspect that an attack on Iran would be monumentally stupid. Tactically speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    If there are actions against Iran by the US, I imagine that they will have to institute a draft.

    If I put my tinfoil hat on, I might even wonder if the economic slump is part of a strategy to push more young people to join the military. Considering that the economic crash has been coming for a while, that might be a bit of a stretch though.
    in a round and about's way you're right, essentially all the US has now is the strongest military. the people have been robbed and money drained, so now we speak with our military


    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Iran has some very robust defenses. They have been attacked numerous times over the years.

    I suspect that an attack on Iran would be monumentally stupid. Tactically speaking.
    yes, accoridng to Alex Jones, experts have envisioned 3 possible scenarios for an attack against Iran, and all are bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Iran has some very robust defenses. They have been attacked numerous times over the years.

    I suspect that an attack on Iran would be monumentally stupid. Tactically speaking.
    3X more difficult than Iraq due to land area, terrain type, better military equipment bought from Russia, and population.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    3X?

    You are overlooking 400,000 strong army of Iran allied shiite muslim arabs we have trained and armed in Iraq that is led by leadership exported from Iran and linked to Hezbullah.

    This is 100X more explosive situation with Iranian missiles trained on gulf oil supplies and Israel. That is why there would be no Iran war I believe.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    3X more difficult than Iraq due to land area, terrain type, better military equipment bought from Russia, and population.
    Some from Russia, some from China some from elsewhere. They also have an active homegrown development program.
    I read a US war college report that claimed they could wipe our entire fleet in the area in 15 mins.

    A monumentally stupid thing.
    I suspect that won't stop them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Some from Russia, some from China some from elsewhere. They also have an active homegrown development program.
    I read a US war college report that claimed they could wipe our entire fleet in the area in 15 mins.

    A monumentally stupid thing.
    I suspect that won't stop them.
    Launching a war in Afghanistan is also monumentally stupid and that didn't stop them, so I agree - it isn't likely to stop them now either. It seems hubris trumps wisdom most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty Star View Post
    3X?

    You are overlooking 400,000 strong army of Iran allied shiite muslim arabs we have trained and armed in Iraq that is led by leadership exported from Iran and linked to Hezbullah.

    This is 100X more explosive situation with Iranian missiles trained on gulf oil supplies and Israel. That is why there would be no Iran war I believe.
    Because I have actually written brigade and battalion operations orders for units in the US Army, I'll stick with my assessment of the situation.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Ok, what is your educated prediction, would Israel attack Iran?

    I say Israel won't attack Iran, US won't allow them because of gigantic economic and geopolitical risks for US/global economy.

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    Iran probably figures there is no use in trying to make concessions with an entity such as the united states so they might as well do whatever the hell they want.

    and it seems to be working for them.

    would we be any less on their case if they stopped enriching uranium completely? i doubt it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty Star View Post
    Ok, what is your educated prediction, would Israel attack Iran?

    I say Israel won't attack Iran, US won't allow them because of gigantic economic and geopolitical risks for US/global economy.
    First place to start from is that the rulers of Iran don't play our geopolitical / economics driven game. They view the world through a different prism. From one of our negotiators with them from the '79 hostage crisis - you can think you are negotiating with them, but you're not - the basis of a negotiation is some basis of common interest - trying to point out to them that their actions were not in their best interest went nowhere because they would tell you "if so, that will be too bad for us here, but we have to obey God's will" - you can't negotiate with God.

    Therefore, it behooves us to find out what God is telling the ruling regime in Iran to do, because that is what they are going to try to do.

    Israel is of the opinion that it lives in a tough neighborhood, and will have no hesitation to launch a strike with or without the tacit approval of the US. If they think their national survival is at stake, they will go out fighting, rather than let a cut off of US aid cause a slow collapse of the country.

    The reality is that we have little to no influence over those who do things based on religious conviction.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Update: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/..._mi_ea/ml_iran

    I guess they've decided ahead of time that Iran won't pass the inspections.

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says she doesn't believe Iran can convince the U.S. and other world powers that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, putting Tehran on a course for tougher economic penalties beyond the current "leaky sanctions."

    The Iranians must "present convincing evidence as to the purpose of their nuclear program. We don't believe that they can present convincing evidence, that it's only for peaceful purposes, but we are going to put them to the test," Clinton told CBS' "Face the Nation."

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    Iran can fix all this by dropping their EU for oil policy and reverting back to trading USD for oil. They might even get to keep their toys.



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    To the extent that we can discern what US foreign policy is, is seems to gravitate tot he idea of no more nuclear weapons, and reduction of stockpiles in those countries that already have them. Unfortunately for us, we only seem to take a country seriously if is has nukes. As building A-bombs is essentially a 1940s technology, the main discouragement is the ability to enrich uranium and a delivery system to get the bomb to the target.

    What I'm suggesting is that effective CIA covert operations will have a much higher benefit to us than military action. As evidenced by the Israeli raid from 20 years ago, the opponent's objective is merely delayed and not stopped and the action comes at a great strategic cost to one's own security.

    This leads to question #2 - if Iran had atomic weapons, would Iran use them. There is some intelligence (and this is why we need a really good spy agency instead of the one we've got) that Iran would conduct a first strike - and that threatens US interests in terms of oil supply for starters.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    so unknown facts.

    the facts are from wiki and should have references at the bottom of the page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_military

    Not only would attacking Iran be monumentally stupid, it would cause further unrest in the middle eastern countries that view what Iran is doing as an independent right to have a nuclear program.

    The idea that this is a secret facility just makes me cringe, because Iraq had secret WMD's as well.

    In Ron Paul's speech on friday he had said to be sure that your government is telling you the truth before going to war. And yet we are still overseas.

    I know that some would say that the U.S. leaving the middle east wouldn't be as good as everyone thinks but I would have to contend that if we leave and continue with a diplomatic mission to better the general context between our two countries would do way more than us going via the UN to impose sanctions or blockades. I hope that someday we actually have intelligent people not bent on controlling other countries.

    I agree that this is a dangerous situation but in retrospect I do not believe that Russia would even be apprehensive in squashing a legitimate threat to their country if they perceived it. Yet, we have been in the preemptive cycle for too long
    and I'm certain that because of that we have made enemies that will take years to patch relations with. To start we should leave them alone, leave the UN, and tell everyone that although we are for free trade with those countries we no longer can afford or maintain a military force in those areas without further harm to our own country, and because of this would be very willing to sit down with these countries and try to hash out peaceful resolutions to our differing opinions.

    However, Iran building a nuclear weapon, and firing it at Israel or the US would meet with the fact that Israel, Pakistan, India, and possibly Saudi Arabia HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

    So it to me, is very much none of our business and if necessary we should focus on homeland defense against such attacks without jeopardizing the US further by continuing to have a presence there.

    These are all very hard issues that require an emmense amount of tact and diplomacy to defuse the problems that we do see arising.

    If we left the UN, they would be on their own to impose sanctions, and treat others how we would not want to be treated. Also, it would put our forces out of harms way.

    The UN may at times have peaceful missions but because we cannot allow another body farther and farther away from our own country to dictate what we must do we must withdraw and focus on helping ourselves through the coming economic crisis' that our coming.

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    Isn't paranoia fun? You all need to read "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" by professors John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt to see clearly that Israel is going to strike Iran first and then let the U.S. do the hand to hand fighting with Iran. According to the book, the only reason we are currently in Iraq and not Iran is because the neocons (American zionists) wanted to invade Iraq first and Israel didn't; it wanted Bush to invade Iran. But Israel made a concession that Bush could invade Iraq first, providing that after a quick victory the U.S would next invade Iran. Well, things didn't go as planned and the wailing wall headbangers of the Likud Party are pissed off at the neocons/ the Republican Party/ Bush/Cheney. That is why Obama is in office. Same strings: different puppet.

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