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Thread: MSNBC: President Clinton Secures Release of Jailed American Journalists in N. Korea

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    MSNBC: President Clinton Secures Release of Jailed American Journalists in N. Korea

    Way to go President Clinton!

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32277010...s-asiapacific/

    SEOUL, South Korea - North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, media reports said Tuesday.

    Clinton met earlier Tuesday with Kim after arriving in Pyongyang on a surprise visit, holding "exhaustive" talks that covered a wide range of topics, state-run media said.
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister




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    It's good that they got released but lets just hope it doesn't lead to anything bad. I wonder what he had to give them. Fox news said that there was some payment to North Korea.
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    Probably exchanged some nuclear weapon plans for them. Old habits die hard.

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    Bill>Obama
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    wonder how much $$$ he had in the briefcase-those "journalists" knew where they were going...they rolled the dice and lost-the whole story is an embarrassment.

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    Well, at least we get 2 Clintons for the price of one.
    Props to Bill if this was legit, although I question why he should be doing the job of Hillary when he is no longer a public servant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulitics View Post
    Well, at least we get 2 Clintons for the price of one.
    Props to Bill if this was legit, although I question why he should be doing the job of Hillary when he is no longer a public servant.
    Clinton's people said it was a private mission, not sanctioned by the U.S. government. I'm sure there was cooperation, but he wasn't acting in a official role.

    Kim Jong-il is a child, and I am sure loved the attention of getting to meet former President Clinton. Bubba is such a smooth talker, he probably turned KJI into a bumbling school girl.

    Ambassador Bolton has his knickers in a knot about the whole operation. I think he should shut the f up. Talking to clowns like North Korea isn't going to harm us.

    The journalists took a chance, and got busted. I am sure Lisa Ling (the one journalist's sister) made an appeal to Bubba to help---and maybe Bubba has a thing for asia ladies?
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister




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    Way to go Bill! The only President who ever balanced the budget in our times is still kickin' ass!

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    Anyone who doesn't think this was a done deal before Clinton ever got on the plane to head over is a fool. The visit was all a dog and pony show.
    Insanity should be defined as trusting the government to solve a problem they caused in the first place. Please do not go insane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonySutton View Post
    Anyone who doesn't think this was a done deal before Clinton ever got on the plane to head over is a fool. The visit was all a dog and pony show.
    So what? Who cares? A dictator kidnapped two journalists who were trying to expose his dictatorship for what it is. Our guys got them back. This is a good thing. Be happy about it.

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    i dont have to be happy about watching our president go kiss the ring and drop off ransom $$ for a couple so called journalists working for al gore's news channel trying to expose civil right violations? how fresh....n. china is an oppressive regime that starves their population and extorts money and aide from the U.S. any chance they get? no $#@!.
    i hope if i get thrown in a mexican jail for trying to smuggle cuban cigars into the country-clinton will come bail me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feenix566 View Post
    So what? Who cares? A dictator kidnapped two journalists who were trying to expose his dictatorship for what it is. Our guys got them back. This is a good thing. Be happy about it.
    If you believe the official story.

    Anybody else noticed a lot of Americans seem to be "wandering" across borders into areas we aren't very friendly with lately and getting caught? Just last nite front page of Yahoo was 3 different ongoing cases of it. North Korea, Iran (second time, if you include the reporter that was recently released after being convicted of spying) and Myanmar. I don't think these are cases of innocent Americans just mistakenly wandering around. It reeks of CIA propaganda and cover stories for failed spy entry. Notice that they are all around mid 20's age? The CIA recruits heavily on college campuses.

    And now North Korea releases the two "reporters" only after Bill Clinton himself, a former CIA man, shows up. Believe the official story if you want but this reeks of CIA meddling.
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    Good for Bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I don't think these are cases of innocent Americans just mistakenly wandering around. It reeks of CIA propaganda and cover stories for failed spy entry. Notice that they are all around mid 20's age? The CIA recruits heavily on college campuses.
    Coincidentally also around the same age that people go hiking. I'm not an expert but my guess is if you wanted to spy on Iran you wouldn't hike across the Iran/Iraq border.

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    I had a bet with someone how many posts it would take for this thread to get contorted into an "negative, inside-job/cia/clandestine, etc" thread ---- I almost won!
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    Good for Bill.



    Coincidentally also around the same age that people go hiking. I'm not an expert but my guess is if you wanted to spy on Iran you wouldn't hike across the Iran/Iraq border.
    One of the articles referred to one of the recent Iranian captured hikers as a "Professional Traveler". I guess that's what they are calling CIA operatives these days. A pro that just can't seem to get the hang of that dang GPS once they get near international borders. Yeah right. What do you suppose is a better entry point into Iran? I doubt the CIA flies into Tehran on the red eye.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy
    I had a bet with someone how many posts it would take for this thread to get contorted into an "negative, inside-job/cia/clandestine, etc" thread ---- I almost won!
    Surely you're not mocking the distinct possibility. Is an RPF moderator going on record as calling CIA operations in foreign unfriendly nations "tin foil"? Maybe Im misreading your post but it sure sounds like it with your use of the word "contorted".
    Last edited by devil21; 08-04-2009 at 05:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonySutton View Post
    Anyone who doesn't think this was a done deal before Clinton ever got on the plane to head over is a fool. The visit was all a dog and pony show.
    Yeppers.

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    Wow.

    Bill Clinton...the hero of "libertarians"

    Is this the Twilight Zone?

    I guess Waco, Elian Gonzales, NAFTA, etc. from the 90s is all forgiven.

    Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clb09 View Post
    Wow.

    Bill Clinton...the hero of "libertarians"

    Is this the Twilight Zone?

    I guess Waco, Elian Gonzales, NAFTA, etc. from the 90s is all forgiven.

    Sigh.
    the melodrama.
    i never said the guy was a good president.
    I think he did a good job getting those people back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clb09 View Post
    Wow.

    Bill Clinton...the hero of "libertarians"

    Is this the Twilight Zone?

    I guess Waco, Elian Gonzales, NAFTA, etc. from the 90s is all forgiven.

    Sigh.
    Please ignore the Kosovo bombing as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    I had a bet with someone how many posts it would take for this thread to get contorted into an "negative, inside-job/cia/clandestine, etc" thread ---- I almost won!
    Well, they even reported on Faux News, that everything had been arranged before Clinton ever got on the plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Well, they even reported on Faux News, that everything had been arranged before Clinton ever got on the plane.
    That's pretty much how it always works. Karl Rove said the exact same thing a while back on The O'Reilly Factor. He said that anything involving international relations is planned well in advance and the entire meeting is for the pictures and publicity.

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    These were brave journalists, I'm glad we got them back.

    All you have to do is give Kim's ego a little stroke and he'll bend for you. Good to know for the future, I won't be so worried about next time. All we have to do is send over a head of state for the afternoon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Surely you're not mocking the distinct possibility. Is an RPF moderator going on record as calling CIA operations in foreign unfriendly nations "tin foil"? Maybe Im misreading your post but it sure sounds like it with your use of the word "contorted".
    Oh for heaven's sake devil. I am saying that the likely chain of events is this reporter's big-whig sister Lisa Ling through all her media contacts got in touch with President Clinton (because the N. Koreans openly mocked Hillary, so she couldn't do it), and that our diplomats offered Bubba up to go speak with him and take some pictures in exchange for releasing the girls (wtf does Korea need them for anyway).

    Bubba gets back in the spotlight to be Mr. Hero (a + for him), Kim Jong-Il gets some nice propaganda footage for his slave population (a+ for him), and we get some idiot journalists back (a + for the family).

    Why does it have to be more difficult than that?
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister




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    I'll bet him and Kim Jong Il sat around and watched porn together for hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyote_sprit View Post
    Probably exchanged some nuclear weapon plans for them. Old habits die hard.
    LOL, Operation MERLIN 2.0?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If you believe the official story.

    Anybody else noticed a lot of Americans seem to be "wandering" across borders into areas we aren't very friendly with lately and getting caught? Just last nite front page of Yahoo was 3 different ongoing cases of it. North Korea, Iran (second time, if you include the reporter that was recently released after being convicted of spying) and Myanmar. I don't think these are cases of innocent Americans just mistakenly wandering around. It reeks of CIA propaganda and cover stories for failed spy entry. Notice that they are all around mid 20's age? The CIA recruits heavily on college campuses.

    And now North Korea releases the two "reporters" only after Bill Clinton himself, a former CIA man, shows up. Believe the official story if you want but this reeks of CIA meddling.
    How is Bill Clinton a CIA man? From everything I've seen, he was not focused at all on foreign policy at the outset of his presidency. In fact, the CIA lost sway in the 90s because Clinton didn't back his appointee too much.

    But it is true the CIA has used journalists as a cover in the past. The story of the iranian journalist and accused spy (Roxana Saberi) fit the mold of the CIA story I was told by CIA agent Jim Olson is standard practice in the field- say it was a wrongfully convicted America and disavow any CIA connection if an agent is caught in the act who actually was working for the CIA. Only in rare cases though does the government bail out caught agents though.

    But that doesnt mean every instance means it is a spy. North Korea also has a weird streak of following Iran's lead on means of inciting the West. For example, North Korea happened to fire a satellite (and failed) right after Iran fired off its satellite (and succeeded).
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    Whats with the sudden Clinton love?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessol View Post
    Whats with the sudden Clinton love?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    How is Bill Clinton a CIA man? From everything I've seen, he was not focused at all on foreign policy at the outset of his presidency. In fact, the CIA lost sway in the 90s because Clinton didn't back his appointee too much.

    But it is true the CIA has used journalists as a cover in the past. The story of the iranian journalist and accused spy (Roxana Saberi) fit the mold of the CIA story I was told by CIA agent Jim Olson is standard practice in the field- say it was a wrongfully convicted America and disavow any CIA connection if an agent is caught in the act who actually was working for the CIA. Only in rare cases though does the government bail out caught agents though.

    But that doesnt mean every instance means it is a spy. North Korea also has a weird streak of following Iran's lead on means of inciting the West. For example, North Korea happened to fire a satellite (and failed) right after Iran fired off its satellite (and succeeded).
    Just Google terms like "Bill Clinton drugs CIA" or "Clinton Mena airport CIA". You should find enough hits to keep you busy for a good while.

    You're right that it doesn't mean it's always the CIA. But when a spate of incidents happen during a period of increased tensions with these other countries, I think it's pretty foolish to think we just have a lot of American hikers and journalists that can't read a map or work a GPS, stumbling across borders into those unfriendly countries. The timing has been perfect for the CIA to get to work. Iran's recent unrest has been well documented with continued claims of Western interference and support. Plus Iran is already claiming that the 3 "hikers" are spies, fwiw. North Korea is in the process of a power transition between KJ Il and his third son, among the other recent issues. Myanmar is an interesting topic considering the US/China financial relationship these days and the US citizen was actually arrested inside the opposition leader's home while she is under house arrest. Anyway, my original point was that these incidents are fitting the mold of failed intelligence operations (ok, even if they aren't CIA but rather DIA or NSA, etc...does it really matter?) and the usual bs lies and diversions that go along with that.

    There's tons of instances of US citizens breaking the laws of foreign countries and facing that country's justice system and serving their sentence just like everyone else. The Discovery Channel (I think it is) even has a show devoted to it called Locked Up Abroad. But no, instead Bill Clinton is spending taxpayer money to personally pick these people up on an unmarked private jet after meeting with KJ Il personally. We should know by now that there are two sets of rules in the today's world. One for the "special people" and one for the "commoners". Commoners don't get the private jet treatment.
    Last edited by devil21; 08-04-2009 at 11:22 PM.
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