Originally Posted by
Paulestinian
A two state solutions is not acceptable to either side. I'm a Palestinian and would accept nothing but to return to the house and farm where my grandparents lived and where my parents were born . In Steven Spielberg's movie "Munich" , there's a scene where an Israeli asks a Palestinian: ""Tell me something, Ali, do you really miss your father's olive trees?" and I assure you that the answer to this question would be a resounding "Yes" by the vast majority of the millions of Palestinian refugees around the world even those who had never set foot in Palestine.
Well, I think the major problem is that both sides have legitimate gripes. Yes, your ancestors were removed from their homes. However, is it really worth eternal war? Terrorism? Raising your kids in bloodshed? Is it worth it to continually $#@! over your people because of an inability to get over an event in the past? I don't deny you the fact that being removed from your homes sucks. However, I don't think that what they are doing is making it any better, at all.
And the Jews have been $#@!ed over throughout their entire existence. I mean, they were living in that region before the Palestinians. And they were repeatedly invaded and enslaved by multiple groups. And then they were discriminated against and treated poorly by nearly ALL European countries, and were on the receiving end of the worst genocide in history...
And to top it off, they didn't even kick you out. The british GAVE them Israel. It was promised to them. So then they get $#@!ed over even more. They are given a home, and then suddenly they are invaded by every country in the region? And constantly hated / threatened? Sucks...
Originally Posted by
Paulestinian
Now, personally, a one state solution (a la South Africa) is something that I would consider but only under certain conditions.
And those who say that this conflict is because Muslims hate Jews or vice versa are wrong. Palestinians have nothing against Jews for being Jews but rather with Jews kicking them out of their homes and taking their lands. We would fight against anyone occupying our lands were they Jews or Eskimos. This conflict is not inherently a religious conflict even though both sides use religion to justify their actions.
The Jews didn't kick you out. The British did. The British GAVE your land to the Jews. With the consent of the UN.
The bottom line is... yeah, it sucks. But it's not worth eternal warfare. Your people will never advance if they keep this up. Is it worth throwing away your people's future for this? Honestly??
I mean, everyone has been wronged before. We kicked out the Native Americans, you don't see them suicide bombing us. Yeah, I'm sure they aren't happy that their people were forcefully removed and murdered, et cetera. But they got over it.
I know it sucks that your people got kicked out. But right now, YOU are the bad guys. You are the ones constantly attacking Israel. You are the ones suicide bombing. You are the ones who raise kids with AK-47s. That does not earn you sympathy and it does not help your people.
Originally Posted by
Paulestinian
All the Palestinians are asking for is to be left alone to sort out their problems with no US intervention. They don't want money, weapons, political support or anything else but ask that the US not interfere in this conflict.
O RLY?
From wikipedia:
Due to the specific conditions of the disputed territories, the Palestinian Authority (PA) has received unprecedented financial support from the international community. According to the World Bank, USD $929 million were given by the international community to the PNA in 2001, $891 million in 2003 and $1.1 billion in 2005 (representing 53% of the budget in 2005). The main objectives are support to the budget, development aid and public health. In 2003, the US funded $224 million, the EU $187 million, the Arab League $124 million, Norway $53 million, the World Bank $50 million, the United Kingdom $43 million, Italy $40 million, and the last $170 million by others. According to the World Bank, the budget deficit was about of $800 million in 2005, with nearly half of it financed by donors. "The PA's fiscal situation has become increasingly unsustainable mainly as a result of uncontrolled government consumption, in particular a rapidly increasing public sector wage bill, expanding social transfer schemes and rising net lending," said the World Bank report. Government corruption is widely seen as the cause of much of the PA financial difficulties.
Without foreign aid, there would BE NO Palestinians. You can't afford anything on your own. And you know why? Because you are too focused on war. You haven't diverted any resources to actually, you know, improving your economic conditions for the homes you DO have. Instead, you put all your money into fighting Israel and your people still live in third world conditions.
So no, that isn't what the Palestinians want. They NEED foreign aid to survive. And also, saying they are trying to "sort out their problems" is a joke. Suicide bombing does NOT equal sorting out your problems in any way shape or form. Being endlessly stubborn and violent is NOT sorting out problems. They don't talk, they don't negotiate. Don't kid yourself.
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