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    American Medical Association officially opposes a government health insurance plan

    News link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/us...h.html?_r=2&hp

    Quote Originally Posted by NY Times
    Doctors’ Group Opposes Public Insurance Plan

    By ROBERT PEAR
    Published: June 10, 2009

    WASHINGTON — As the health care debate heats up, the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system.

    The opposition, which comes as Mr. Obama prepares to address the powerful doctors’ group on Monday in Chicago, could be a major hurdle for advocates of a public insurance plan. The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America’s largest physician organization.

    While committed to the goal of affordable health insurance for all, the association had said in a general statement of principles that health services should be “provided through private markets, as they are currently.” It is now reacting, for the first time, to specific legislative proposals being drafted by Congress.

    In the presidential campaign last year and in a letter to Congress last week, Mr. Obama called for a new “public health insurance option,” which he said would compete with private insurers and keep them honest.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California said Wednesday that she supported that goal. “A bill will not come out of the House without a public option,” she said Wednesday on MSNBC.

    But in comments submitted to the Senate Finance Committee, the American Medical Association said: “The A.M.A. does not believe that creating a public health insurance option for non-disabled individuals under age 65 is the best way to expand health insurance coverage and lower costs. The introduction of a new public plan threatens to restrict patient choice by driving out private insurers, which currently provide coverage for nearly 70 percent of Americans.”

    If private insurers are pushed out of the market, the group said, “the corresponding surge in public plan participation would likely lead to an explosion of costs that would need to be absorbed by taxpayers.”

    While not the political behemoth it once was, the association probably has more influence than any other group in the health care industry. Lawmakers seek its opinion and support whenever possible. It has repeatedly persuaded Congress to cancel or postpone cuts in Medicare payments to doctors, though it has not secured a “permanent fix.”

    If the doctors are too aggressive in fighting the public plan, they risk alienating Democrats whose support they need for legislation to increase their Medicare fees.

    The group has historically had a strong lobbying operation, supplemented by generous campaign donations. Since the 2000 election cycle, its political action committee has contributed $9.8 million to Congressional candidates, according to data from the Federal Election Commission and the Center for Responsive Politics. Republicans got more than Democrats in the four election cycles before 2008, when 56 percent went to Democrats.

    Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, said that in his address to the group next week, Mr. Obama would “outline the case for health care reform and make clear why we can’t afford to wait another year, or another administration, to bring down costs that are crushing families, businesses and government.”

    Mr. Gibbs did not say whether Mr. Obama would discuss a public insurance plan, the most contentious issue in the debate.

    The A.M.A., an umbrella group for 180 medical societies, does not speak for all doctors. One group, Physicians for a National Health Program, supports a single-payer system of insurance, in which a single public agency would pay for health services, but most care would still be delivered by private doctors and hospitals. In recent years, some doctors have become so fed up with the administrative hassles of private insurance that they are looking for alternatives.

    Until now, stakeholders in the health care industry have generally muted their criticism of Democratic proposals. But as details of the legislation have emerged, the criticism has become more pointed.

    America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby for insurers, said Tuesday that the government plan proposed by some Senate Democrats could “dismantle employer-based coverage and significantly increase costs for those who remain in private coverage.”

    Under a proposal favored by many Democrats, doctors who take Medicare patients would also have to participate in the new public plan. Democrats say that requirement is needed to make sure the public plan can go into business right away with a large network of doctors.

    The medical association said it “cannot support any plan design that mandates physician participation.” For one thing, it said, “many physicians and providers may not have the capability to accept the influx of new patients that could result from such a mandate.”

    “In addition,” the A.M.A. said, “federal programs traditionally have never required physician or other provider participation, but rather such participation has been on a voluntary basis.”

    In an interview, Dr. Nancy H. Nielsen, president of the American Medical Association, said she was delighted by Mr. Obama’s plan to address the doctors.

    “Health care reform is as important to us as it is to him,” Dr. Nielsen said. “We will be engaged in discussions in a constructive way. But we absolutely oppose government control of health care decisions or mandatory physician participation in any insurance plan.”

    Mr. Obama’s trip recalls a speech to the A.M.A. in Chicago on June 13, 1993, by Hillary Rodham Clinton. She proposed “a new bargain” in which the White House would limit malpractice lawsuits and free doctors from onerous rules if doctors supported her effort to overhaul the health care system.

    The association agrees with Mr. Obama on some points. It says that individuals and families who can afford coverage should be required to obtain it.

    Like Mr. Obama, the association wants Congress to cut payments to private Medicare Advantage plans. The White House says Medicare pays the private plans 14 percent more than it would cost the government to care for the same people in traditional Medicare.

    Ron Nixon contributed reporting.
    Can't say I'm surprised. Government insurance via Medicaid and the Veterans Affairs typically underpay physicians with reimbursement turnaround times taking longer than average. Doctors already work long, hard hours. Government insurance would most likely mean they would be working longer, harder hours for less pay. I personally have no problem with doctors making as much as they do.



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    Government insurance would be a disaster. The medical industry already sucks BECAUSE of Government intervention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctiger2 View Post
    Government insurance would be a disaster. The medical industry already sucks BECAUSE of Government intervention.
    Not to mention all of the stuff the government would be coming up with as to what you can eat, how much you can eat, how much exercise you need etc.

    They would say they needed to mandate all of those things so they could keep the cost of health care down.

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    How about removing the regulation that requires companies to get healthcare insurance for employees with 40 or more hours of work per week? I mean, it would allow those companies to hire more people due to higher savings on employment. And healthcare wise, insurance companies wouldn't afford to keep prices so high because they wouldn't have a pool of guaranteed clients - since employers are forced to insure their employees - and then due to hospitals losing their share of guaranteed insured customers they will be forced to adjust prices down in order to have clients or go out of business. And they will look to have healthcare that's affordable. Right now, like the banks until last year, they didn't care about the market price because of the government interference.

    Of course, my situation would be against the interests of the healthcare industry.

    Brian, the problem is that it will create a nurses and doctors shortage. The European Union lives through this now. And besides this, if you really need something and need it fast, you have to pay out of your own pocket because the public healthcare lags a lot - and this is in every country. For example, they beg the nurses in my country to move there. lol

    Another thing is that they basically create private clinics that don't work with the government and make you pay out of your own pocket and they have higher prices than in the US on a lot of things.

    The most amusing part is the amount of lies Obama has in his reports - just about everything. I have wrote some about it HERE.

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    http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7835871

    George Will makes some excellent points about health care.

    WILL: "Donna [Brazile], you talk about the 46, 47 million uninsured.
    Fourteen million of them are already eligible for other government
    programs and haven’t signed up. Ten million are in households
    with household incomes of $75,000 a year and could afford it if they
    wanted to.

    Furthermore, an enormous number in that 47
    million are not American citizens. Sixty percent of the uninsured in
    San Francisco are not citizens."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7835871

    George Will makes some excellent points about health care.

    WILL: "Donna [Brazile], you talk about the 46, 47 million uninsured.
    Fourteen million of them are already eligible for other government
    programs and haven’t signed up. Ten million are in households
    with household incomes of $75,000 a year and could afford it if they
    wanted to.

    Furthermore, an enormous number in that 47
    million are not American citizens. Sixty percent of the uninsured in
    San Francisco are not citizens."
    So when Obama says the country is going broke because of the high cost of health care, he should really being saying, the country is going broke taking care of illegal aliens.

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    A trade union opposing State intervention? Never thought I'd see the day.

    I suspect ulterior motives...
    Force always attracts men of low morality. – Albert Einstein

    Government is essentially the negation of liberty. – Ludwig von Mises

    The great non-sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State. - Murray N. Rothbard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brassmouth View Post
    A trade union opposing State intervention? Never thought I'd see the day.

    I suspect ulterior motives...
    A-men.

    This smells like controlled opposition.
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    The New York Times today tells the public what we Ron Paul supporters already know: One of the major government health care plans on the table that Obama is mulling over will cost $1 trillion over 10 years yet leave tens of millions of people uninsured.

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    One of many points I don't understand is how doctors can agree to bring more people into the system who are guaranteed coverage while reform plans insist to eliminate tests that must be given b/c of fear of lawsuits. While in the meantime Obama will not cap or go after malpractice litigation.

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    Did NE1 notice that Barry had to have his AMA in Chicago (Pro Liberal AMA attendees)?

    Plus they did the Old Nationaal party convention scams with Pro revellers amongst the crowd.

    Gotta get those Propaganda cheers for the MSM audiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    Did NE1 notice that Barry had to have his AMA in Chicago (Pro Liberal AMA attendees)?

    Plus they did the Old Nationaal party convention scams with Pro revellers amongst the crowd.

    Gotta get those Propaganda cheers for the MSM audiences.
    There was definitely a few times when there was an early loud and obnoxious laugh and clap during his talk to the doctors.

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    That's what I like to see, people taking control of their own health

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    just saw a picture of the health care bill, it was at least 2 feet high!

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    We can't even afford Medicare as it is. The costs will be hidden, not decreased.
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