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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Yes, the Pauls are bad, Trump's good, and we should focus not on policy but on this invisible Goldstein called globalism.
    The Pauls are not "bad" and IP didn't say they were. I think when IP says the Pauls are part of the cabal he means that the Pauls are Freemasons. Ron is definitely a mason, dunno about Rand but I'd assume so. If you research what Freemasonry is (and I know you have...ahem '33'), there are two paths a mason can choose. The left hand path or the right hand path. The Pauls take the right path. The proverbial "good cops" of the age old good cop/bad cop paradigm. The lights in the dark that are necessary to provide choices and the exercise of free will for the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The Pauls are not "bad" and IP didn't say they were. I think when IP says the Pauls are part of the cabal he means that the Pauls are Freemasons. Ron is definitely a mason, dunno about Rand but I'd assume so. If you research what Freemasonry is (and I know you have...ahem '33'), there are two paths a mason can choose. The left hand path or the right hand path. The Pauls take the right path. The proverbial "good cops" of the age old good cop/bad cop paradigm. The lights in the dark that are necessary to provide choices and the exercise of free will for the masses.
    You don't want to have people jumping off the bridges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The Pauls are not "bad" and IP didn't say they were. I think when IP says the Pauls are part of the cabal he means that the Pauls are Freemasons. Ron is definitely a mason, dunno about Rand but I'd assume so. If you research what Freemasonry is (and I know you have...ahem '33'), there are two paths a mason can choose. The left hand path or the right hand path. The Pauls take the right path. The proverbial "good cops" of the age old good cop/bad cop paradigm. The lights in the dark that are necessary to provide choices and the exercise of free will for the masses.
    What the hell?

    GOOD cop? Seriously? No such thing. All cops are bad cops because the very definition of "cop" is badness itself. In a very different world there could be good cops - what I would likely rather call "guardians". Were our police guardians of the right things, I would have little to no problem with them. They are nothing like that. They are bandits, murderers, perjurers, fraud, bullies, and so on down the dreary list of qualities that agents of the Tyrant typically manifest.


    As for free will, the "masses", which is to say the Meaners, have no interest in such things, save along very narrowly determined lines such as where Johnny can stick his little WankyBit. Beyond that frightfully close channel, free will not only meets with disinterest, but with open hostility. The Meaner wants his slavery, so long as you don't call it that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    You don't want to have people jumping off the bridges.
    Meh... speak for yourself.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.


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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    What the hell?

    GOOD cop? Seriously? No such thing. All cops are bad cops because the very definition of "cop" is badness itself. In a very different world there could be good cops - what I would likely rather call "guardians". Were our police guardians of the right things, I would have little to no problem with them. They are nothing like that. They are bandits, murderers, perjurers, fraud, bullies, and so on down the dreary list of qualities that agents of the Tyrant typically manifest.


    As for free will, the "masses", which is to say the Meaners, have no interest in such things, save along very narrowly determined lines such as where Johnny can stick his little WankyBit. Beyond that frightfully close channel, free will not only meets with disinterest, but with open hostility. The Meaner wants his slavery, so long as you don't call it that.
    The good/bad cop analogy is the easiest way to describe the esoteric principle. Don't take the term too literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The good/bad cop analogy is the easiest way to describe the esoteric principle. Don't take the term too literally.
    Ah OK... pardon me, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Ah OK... pardon me, please.
    It's cool. In fact, in a way, your comments are very accurate in that the esoteric philosophy is that most people are inclined to "bad" behavior to gain higher status than their peers. You seem to agree with that. A 'Ron Paul' is a choice to go the other direction and be of service to others instead of service to self. Most don't take that path but the path is made available. I hope that makes sense.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's cool. In fact, in a way, your comments are very accurate in that the esoteric philosophy is that most people are inclined to "bad" behavior to gain higher status than their peers. You seem to agree with that. A 'Ron Paul' is a choice to go the other direction and be of service to others instead of service to self. Most don't take that path but the path is made available. I hope that makes sense.

    I'd be a bit careful with those thoughts. I don't view service to self the way most others seem. For me, and here I speak in "all else equal" terms, service to self IS service to others. You should take care of yourself first and foremost. If everyone did that, the world would likely be a far better place. Now, if you want to talk about self-service run amok with morbitity, then yes it is not a good thing.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.


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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I'd be a bit careful with those thoughts. I don't view service to self the way most others seem. For me, and here I speak in "all else equal" terms, service to self IS service to others. You should take care of yourself first and foremost. If everyone did that, the world would likely be a far better place. Now, if you want to talk about self-service run amok with morbitity, then yes it is not a good thing.
    Can you imagine a presidential election with no voices like a Ron or Rand, or going back to a Perot, or other examples of voices of reason? When there are all the same cookie cutter candidates then there's no choices, even if the sane choices are ignored.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

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    I don't think so. . . about good cop bad cop comparison.

    Ron simply understands the principles of Liberty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Horse_Rider View Post
    I don't think so. . . about good cop bad cop comparison.

    Ron simply understands the principles of Liberty
    I think he understands much more than that.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Can you imagine a presidential election with no voices like a Ron or Rand, or going back to a Perot, or other examples of voices of reason? When there are all the same cookie cutter candidates then there's no choices, even if the sane choices are ignored.
    Not sure how this relates to the notion of service to self. Anyhow, I'd rather have them present than not. However, my expectations regarding the benefits of such people are greatly tempered due to the observable fact that the average man chooses idiocy and FAIL over anything I would regard as worthy of a man's pursuit.

    But that's just me.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.


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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Not sure how this relates to the notion of service to self. Anyhow, I'd rather have them present than not. However, my expectations regarding the benefits of such people are greatly tempered due to the observable fact that the average man chooses idiocy and FAIL over anything I would regard as worthy of a man's pursuit.

    But that's just me.
    It doesn't much, I guess. More a continuation of the topic in general.

    As the "turning" approaches and the control agenda continues to increase speed, the right path option must be made available for karmic and choice reasons. The people must consent to the outcome instead of it being forced upon them. Most people think it is being forced upon them but the truth is that it is not! It is all based on consent, whether by inaction, continuing to live in ignorance or participation/acceptance.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    As the "turning" approaches and the control agenda continues to increase speed, the right path option must be made available for karmic and choice reasons.
    I do not disagree.

    The people must consent to the outcome
    As well as the path toward it.

    instead of it being forced upon them.
    Yeah well, good luck with that...

    Most people think it is being forced upon them but the truth is that it is not!
    Depends on the "it" in question. Also, I believe it is a mix of force and consent obtained through fraud. The force is always implied. For great sea changes, it is almost never openly forced at first. This is the strategy for getting the critical mass on board with the idea in question. Once that is attained, the implications of force become more strident, less subtle, and eventually give way to actual physical force being applied to the few percent of individuals who are not on the bandwagon.

    This is why all government, "democracy" or otherwise, is a fraudulent nonsense. Until the sovereignty of the individual is respected, we live in tyranny. As I always repeat unto the nausea of all around me, one is either free or is something else. There are no degrees of freedom, but only of servitude. Freedom is an all-or-nothing deal. The vast and overwhelming majority of people wandering the earth have no knowledge of this. How many people in places like America think that they are free. We are decidedly not free, though the quality of our serfdom allows us more latitude than that in most other nations. Gilding the cage and making is more expansive does not negate the fact that one is still in a cage.

    It is all based on consent, whether by inaction, continuing to live in ignorance or participation/acceptance.

    Not quite. It is largely based on consent, as per my brief description of the general process, above.

    The saddest bit in all of this is that we could be free before midnight tonight, were we to stand united as the Freemen we were born to be and said "no more!" But alas, taken as a statistical gestalt the human race is the breed of Weakmen, bent over hunched and proud of it. What was that which I believe Voltaire quipped about men revering their chains?
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.


    Be a warrior abhorrent of war, willing to wage it in the face of trespass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Horse_Rider View Post
    I don't think so. . . about good cop bad cop comparison.

    Ron simply understands the principles of Liberty
    The Pauls are part of the mechanism of control. Good vs Bad is not really a surface for discussion - it is irrelevant. In today's cybernetic world, it is about control of the information that enters the human brain. To maintain control, the system in power much control all vectors of information. So, all alt media, all mainstream media, all youtube channels (with any meaningful traction), all gov't opposition groups, religious entities, academic institutions, corporate PR, etc.

    Next, if you want Global control, then all existing instituions of domestic influence must be destroyed. So, the NFL is being detroyed via the Lebensborn actor by name of Kaepernick. Political and Media class is being destroy by incompentence and sex/pedophilia scandal. Money system is being destroyed by ridiculous inflation and cyrptocurrencies. Domestic bond being broken by cointel freaks such as Gulen and his army of muslem brotherhood terrori8sts for money and his nationwide charter school system who is recruiting and radicalizing american youth. Look at the big picture, always see the big picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I do not disagree.



    As well as the path toward it.



    Yeah well, good luck with that...



    Depends on the "it" in question. Also, I believe it is a mix of force and consent obtained through fraud. The force is always implied. For great sea changes, it is almost never openly forced at first. This is the strategy for getting the critical mass on board with the idea in question. Once that is attained, the implications of force become more strident, less subtle, and eventually give way to actual physical force being applied to the few percent of individuals who are not on the bandwagon.

    This is why all government, "democracy" or otherwise, is a fraudulent nonsense. Until the sovereignty of the individual is respected, we live in tyranny. As I always repeat unto the nausea of all around me, one is either free or is something else. There are no degrees of freedom, but only of servitude. Freedom is an all-or-nothing deal. The vast and overwhelming majority of people wandering the earth have no knowledge of this. How many people in places like America think that they are free. We are decidedly not free, though the quality of our serfdom allows us more latitude than that in most other nations. Gilding the cage and making is more expansive does not negate the fact that one is still in a cage.




    Not quite. It is largely based on consent, as per my brief description of the general process, above.

    The saddest bit in all of this is that we could be free before midnight tonight, were we to stand united as the Freemen we were born to be and said "no more!" But alas, taken as a statistical gestalt the human race is the breed of Weakmen, bent over hunched and proud of it. What was that which I believe Voltaire quipped about men revering their chains?
    I don't know how deep we want to go on this topic but I sorta decided against it with my last reply. Actually, all can still be sovereign but that road is not well defined or easy. I assume you know about how the birth registration process creates the legal chains that bind everyone, through essentially mind control, in modern times. That process can be undone and a man can return to true sovereignty, even in the absence of the masses throwing off their chains. I agree that much of the system is based on fraud, not to mention legal presumptions that were essentially conjured out of nothing, by people in funny hats, long before any of us were even alive. The karmic catch is that the remedies must always be made available. They're not easy but they are available. Most aren't prepared to undertake that, however, and as you said the quality of our serfdom makes it unlikely. It is worth remembering that the higher quality of our serfdom is based in the reserve status of the dollar and that is on the way out. It is also a substantial driver behind the control agenda itself.

    Btw, I'm mostly writing from the occultist philosophical viewpoint and not necessarily my own opinion/viewpoint. I'm more of an interested observer and educator these days than activist, I guess. Humans are interesting creatures to study
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The post above is proof positive of the opposite.
    The power of networks is king. The power of Human networks trumps all other networks.

    We are seeing the a vast population who are asking questions now, and who are actively working toward a future that is not the same future the Globalists want. Hence, we're seeing an incredibly powerful network arise that is taking us down a different path. This network is unstoppable, and the Globalists know this, as they are experts in network theory.

    In short, it is over for them. The writing is already on the wall. And they know this, at least the ones at the very top, the ones who really understand science. The variables are: (1) time until this eventuallity occurs; (2) the pain and suffering we must all go thru. But their day is over. No doubt about that whatsoever.

    PS. I meant to mention, in my above post, an old post about Vectors, and how they are important in understanding the mechanisms of control/influence. Here is the link to that old thread. It's worth reviewing.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...u-Know-This-)&

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I don't know how deep we want to go on this topic but I sorta decided against it with my last reply.
    Why? It's a good philosophic issue that runs face-first into the practical as well.

    Actually, all can still be sovereign but that road is not well defined or easy.
    I AM sovereign. I don't ask permission. I don't go through processes. That is all bull$#@! designed to cause people to implicate themselves in the system.

    That all said, I recognize that much in the way of my exercise of sovereignty would result in imprisonment, mutilation, or death for me. Trespass upon my rights does not imply that the rights are no longer extant. It only means that I am violated by evil men.

    I assume you know about how the birth registration process creates the legal chains that bind everyone, through essentially mind control, in modern times.
    I am familiar with the process, yes. I was never part of it. I never had a birth certificate.

    That process can be undone and a man can return to true sovereignty, even in the absence of the masses throwing off their chains.
    We should not need to go through any such processes. Those have been foisted upon us.

    I agree that much of the system is based on fraud, not to mention legal presumptions that were essentially conjured out of nothing, by people in funny hats, long before any of us were even alive.
    That is the ugly truth.

    The karmic catch is that the remedies must always be made available.
    I very seriously doubt Theye believe in karma or that they otherwise give a damn about it. Theire actions shout it loudly.

    Btw, I'm mostly writing from the occultist philosophical viewpoint and not necessarily my own opinion/viewpoint. I'm more of an interested observer and educator these days than activist, I guess. Humans are interesting creatures to study
    Actually, I find most humans mercilessly boring. The perfect predictability of their utterly corrupt selves I find endlessly tedious. Thank God for the spectrum of characteristics that allow, however sparingly, for intellect, honor, trustworthiness, and decency to exist all in a single package. Honestly, I would not piss on a meaner were I to find him on fire.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.


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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Why? It's a good philosophic issue that runs face-first into the practical as well.
    Mostly because of the context of the thread and the difficulty effectively writing about philosophic/esoteric topics so that concepts like the "good/bad" above aren't misinterpreted.

    I AM sovereign. I don't ask permission. I don't go through processes. That is all bull$#@! designed to cause people to implicate themselves in the system.

    That all said, I recognize that much in the way of my exercise of sovereignty would result in imprisonment, mutilation, or death for me. Trespass upon my rights does not imply that the rights are no longer extant. It only means that I am violated by evil men.

    I am familiar with the process, yes. I was never part of it. I never had a birth certificate.
    If you are not a registered "product" in the system then you are essentially already lawfully sovereign and the topic doesn't much apply to you in the first place. It is the registration that sets the foundation for the remainder of the mind control and authorization of force against people that are not the wiser to the situation they are actually in.

    We should not need to go through any such processes. Those have been foisted upon us.
    I agree and that is where the fraud aspect arises. It is, however, still the reality of the situation if one does not wish to end up imprisoned, mutilated or dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Col. House, banker advisor to Pres. Wilson
    Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two would figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor or to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner; every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.
    That is the ugly truth.

    I very seriously doubt Theye believe in karma or that they otherwise give a damn about it. Theire actions shout it loudly.
    Perhaps currently there is no real regard for karmic principles but the origins of the system were indeed heavily based on it. Quietly, much of Freemasonry's higher degrees are rooted in Hindu spiritualism, which of course heavily emphasizes karma and balance. Whether Harry Reid, per se, gives a $#@! about karma while ordering BLM to kick the Bundys off their land so it can be turned over to Chinese mining and solar power interests is likely pointless to ponder.

    Actually, I find most humans mercilessly boring. The perfect predictability of their utterly corrupt selves I find endlessly tedious. Thank God for the spectrum of characteristics that allow, however sparingly, for intellect, honor, trustworthiness, and decency to exist all in a single package. Honestly, I would not piss on a meaner were I to find him on fire.
    Indeed predictable but once you are aware of the ongoing programming it's interesting to watch it take effect. It's just a shame that they generally take the rest of us down with them.
    Last edited by devil21; 12-02-2017 at 06:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Mostly because of the context of the thread and the difficulty effectively writing about philosophic/esoteric topics so that concepts like the "good/bad" above aren't misinterpreted.
    That is where care in one's choice of words and sentence structure comes in.

    Indeed predictable but once you are aware of the ongoing programming it's interesting to watch it take effect.
    For about five minutes. The depthless rot of the average man gets old very rapidly. The amazing bit, to me anyhow, is how consistently and easily men are corrupted. Most would trade their soul for tokens.

    It's just a shame that they generally take the rest of us down with them.
    It is a most curious aspect of the architecture of things that this is so. It leads me to wonder whether the architect is a sadist.
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    Love this thread. Thanks everyone!
    "I have a strong temperamental attachment to the meaning of words. In the age I find myself in, that condemns me to a daily dose of pain." - John Derbyshire
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    I dunno, but when I play my birthdate and 33 together I get lucky on the Roulette Wheel at the Casino. lol I went to the Hollywood Casino 2 times now and won on just a $25.00 bet the first time there. Second time visiting I bet $50.00 and won. I'm hoping next time I'm in the area I have an extra $100.00 on me to visit the Casino. lol
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