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    MIAC report under review

    http://www.news-leader.com/article/2...t+under+review

    A special House committee has been formed to investigate the inner workings of a state agency that produced a controversial report linking some social conservative views to militia membership.

    State Rep. Bob Dixon, R-Springfield, will chair the committee during the interim between legislative sessions.

    The Missouri Information Analysis Center's Feb. 20 report created a nationwide firestorm among conservatives because it indicated people who favor small government, refuse to pay taxes, oppose abortion and oppose illegal immigration have tendencies to join violent militias.

    The report also alleged that militia members tended to vote for Republican U.S. Rep. Ron Paul and third-party candidates like Libertarian Bob Barr and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin for president in the 2008 election.

    State officials later apologized to Paul, Barr and Baldwin for being singled-out by name in the report.

    House Speaker Ron Richard has charged the committee with probing oversight measures the Missouri State Highway Patrol put in place following an outcry in March over the internal report, which was leaked by someone in law enforcement to bloggers and the media.

    "The real emphasis is going to be on what oversight is currently in place, rather than going back and rehashing the report and the details of the report," Dixon said. "What I don't want it to become is a witch hunt on law enforcement who are doing their due diligence to keep citizens safe."

    Richard, R-Joplin, appointed 16 House members to the interim panel, including Dixon and fellow Greene County Reps. Shane Schoeller and Jim Viebrock.

    The committee may hold its first meeting in Jefferson City as early as next week. Dixon intends to hold hearings across the state this summer and fall.

    Schoeller, R-Willard, said MIAC and Highway Patrol employees should not view the committee's scrutiny of their intelligence gathering as a witch hunt .

    "If you've done what you think is the right thing to do, there should be nothing to be afraid of," he said.

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    During the first hearing, patrol officials will be invited to testify to the committee about procedures they have put in place to check the accuracy of information put in MIAC intelligence reports about terrorism or criminal threats.



    Viebrock, R-Republic, said he intends to grill state bureaucrats about the content of the report, which the patrol officially retracted on March 25.

    "I'm personally going to demand some of the intelligence they're looking at," Viebrock said.

    State officials have never answered questions about who authored the report and where they got their information. Many sentences in the militia report are strikingly similar to phrases and summaries contained in a 2005 Southern Poverty Law Center "intelligence report" titled "Terror From The Right."

    Viebrock said he got many complaints from constituents about the report's contents and generalizations of conservative thought. He wants to know whether the MIAC report was based on actual intelligence, not information swiped off the Internet.

    "If that is the entirely basis of their existence, then as a legislator I will join my fellow legislators and we will put an end to it," Viebrock said. "To accuse God-fearing, anti-abortion, gun-toting Americans as terrorists is unacceptable.

    During the first hearing, patrol officials will be invited to testify to the committee about procedures they have put in place to check the accuracy of information put in MIAC intelligence reports about terrorism or criminal threats.

    Viebrock, R-Republic, said he intends to grill state bureaucrats about the content of the report, which the patrol officially retracted on March 25.

    "I'm personally going to demand some of the intelligence they're looking at," Viebrock said.

    State officials have never answered questions about who authored the report and where they got their information. Many sentences in the militia report are strikingly similar to phrases and summaries contained in a 2005 Southern Poverty Law Center "intelligence report" titled "Terror From The Right."

    Viebrock said he got many complaints from constituents about the report's contents and generalizations of conservative thought. He wants to know whether the MIAC report was based on actual intelligence, not information swiped off the Internet.

    "If that is the entirely basis of their existence, then as a legislator I will join my fellow legislators and we will put an end to it," Viebrock said. "To accuse God-fearing, anti-abortion, gun-toting Americans as terrorists is unacceptable."



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    I'm glad there will be an investigation.
    Rules to gain ground for our efforts. Remember we are the role models for liberty don't abuse it.
    Constructive criticism
    No condescending tones
    Allow room for disagreement
    Be respectful
    It takes time
    Don't flip out when "bad" things happen
    Be forward looking and be part of the solution not just the reaction
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    Support freedom locally as well as nationally
    Don't worry about negatives said against us but instead worry about giving something positive to say.

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    This isn't a witch hunt....is that a wart on your nose?
    "The journalist is one who separates the wheat from the chaff, and then prints the chaff." - Adlai Stevenson

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbrownsauce View Post
    I'm glad there will be an investigation.
    Not that I have as of yet donned my tin foil hat; but strange coincidence that this comes up as news again the same week that a right-wing anti-abortion guy commits terrorism by killing an abortion doctor, right next door to MO too. Which led to headlines such as Suspect in Kansas abortion doctor's slaying reportedly belonged to anti-government militia Funny how life has these interesting coincidences...

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    Quote Originally Posted by disorderlyvision View Post
    http://www.news-leader.com/article/2...t+under+review

    A special House committee has been formed to investigate the inner workings of a state agency that produced a controversial report linking some social conservative views to militia membership.

    State Rep. Bob Dixon, R-Springfield, will chair the committee during the interim between legislative sessions.

    The Missouri Information Analysis Center's Feb. 20 report created a nationwide firestorm among conservatives because it indicated people who favor small government, refuse to pay taxes, oppose abortion and oppose illegal immigration have tendencies to join violent militias.

    The report also alleged that militia members tended to vote for Republican U.S. Rep. Ron Paul and third-party candidates like Libertarian Bob Barr and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin for president in the 2008 election.

    State officials later apologized to Paul, Barr and Baldwin for being singled-out by name in the report.

    House Speaker Ron Richard has charged the committee with probing oversight measures the Missouri State Highway Patrol put in place following an outcry in March over the internal report, which was leaked by someone in law enforcement to bloggers and the media.

    "The real emphasis is going to be on what oversight is currently in place, rather than going back and rehashing the report and the details of the report," Dixon said. "What I don't want it to become is a witch hunt on law enforcement who are doing their due diligence to keep citizens safe."

    Richard, R-Joplin, appointed 16 House members to the interim panel, including Dixon and fellow Greene County Reps. Shane Schoeller and Jim Viebrock.

    The committee may hold its first meeting in Jefferson City as early as next week. Dixon intends to hold hearings across the state this summer and fall.

    Schoeller, R-Willard, said MIAC and Highway Patrol employees should not view the committee's scrutiny of their intelligence gathering as a witch hunt .

    "If you've done what you think is the right thing to do, there should be nothing to be afraid of," he said.

    (2 of 2)


    During the first hearing, patrol officials will be invited to testify to the committee about procedures they have put in place to check the accuracy of information put in MIAC intelligence reports about terrorism or criminal threats.



    Viebrock, R-Republic, said he intends to grill state bureaucrats about the content of the report, which the patrol officially retracted on March 25.

    "I'm personally going to demand some of the intelligence they're looking at," Viebrock said.

    State officials have never answered questions about who authored the report and where they got their information. Many sentences in the militia report are strikingly similar to phrases and summaries contained in a 2005 Southern Poverty Law Center "intelligence report" titled "Terror From The Right."

    Viebrock said he got many complaints from constituents about the report's contents and generalizations of conservative thought. He wants to know whether the MIAC report was based on actual intelligence, not information swiped off the Internet.

    "If that is the entirely basis of their existence, then as a legislator I will join my fellow legislators and we will put an end to it," Viebrock said. "To accuse God-fearing, anti-abortion, gun-toting Americans as terrorists is unacceptable.

    During the first hearing, patrol officials will be invited to testify to the committee about procedures they have put in place to check the accuracy of information put in MIAC intelligence reports about terrorism or criminal threats.

    Viebrock, R-Republic, said he intends to grill state bureaucrats about the content of the report, which the patrol officially retracted on March 25.

    "I'm personally going to demand some of the intelligence they're looking at," Viebrock said.

    State officials have never answered questions about who authored the report and where they got their information. Many sentences in the militia report are strikingly similar to phrases and summaries contained in a 2005 Southern Poverty Law Center "intelligence report" titled "Terror From The Right."

    Viebrock said he got many complaints from constituents about the report's contents and generalizations of conservative thought. He wants to know whether the MIAC report was based on actual intelligence, not information swiped off the Internet.

    "If that is the entirely basis of their existence, then as a legislator I will join my fellow legislators and we will put an end to it," Viebrock said. "To accuse God-fearing, anti-abortion, gun-toting Americans as terrorists is unacceptable."
    That's a swell step in the right direction, but it's NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Militia Membership is no more subversive than social conservativism, and substantially less incendiary than Mob Rule.

    THEY ARE STILL PLAYING MILITIA AGAINST THE ROPES.

    This approach seeks to distinguish mamby pamby suburbanite disgruntled from the disgruntled that might actually DO something about being disgruntled.

    BEING A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES MILITIA IS AN HONOR AND A DUTY, NOT A RED FLAG FOR DISCRIMINATORY OPPRESSION.

    In my considered opinion, it is the Militia standing willing AND PREPARED to defend the American Constitution -- read that, THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS -- that keeps this administration's race to full-blown Communism from becoming a demolition derby.

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    State officials have never answered questions about who authored the report and where they got their information. Many sentences in the militia report are strikingly similar to phrases and summaries contained in a 2005 Southern Poverty Law Center "intelligence report" titled "Terror From The Right."
    I highly doubt the lawmakers will be allowed to see the sources for the MIAC report, which in my mind undoubtedly includes SPLC BS.
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister


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    Government successfully investigate anything? Please.
    Maxed out to ALL of Ron Paul's campaigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacelli View Post
    Government successfully investigate anything? Please.
    government agency invetigates then clears other government agency...

    sort of like SCOTUS; thieves in black robes rules in favor of government thieves

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    "A special House committee has been formed to investigate the inner workings of a state agency that produced a controversial report linking some social conservative views to militia membership."

    And what exactly is wrong with being a militia member? We are all militia members at the end of the day. Constituitionally protected.

    It is amazing what a good propaganda job the SPLC did on linking militia membership to racism etc. Folks just have it drilled in their heads that militia = racist. An error of logic... All dogs have tails therefore anything that has a tail is a dog.
    Heads and Hips, Heads and Hips!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
    government agency invetigates then clears other government agency...

    sort of like SCOTUS; thieves in black robes rules in favor of government thieves
    You bet!!!
    Maxed out to ALL of Ron Paul's campaigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
    government agency invetigates then clears other government agency...

    sort of like SCOTUS; thieves in black robes rules in favor of government thieves
    Same problem with HR 1207.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacelli View Post
    Government successfully investigate anything? Please.
    "Don't worry people, we have investigated ourselves, found no evidence that we did anything wrong, and thus have absolved ourselves of any charges. Rest assured that had we decided we had in fact done something wrong, we would have punished ourselves to the fullest extent of the law that we had written to oversee ourselves."
    Has Gun Will Revolt

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    Why aren't they also looking into the Anti Defamation League??? They go around to law enforcement groups and teach classes on this...they are EVIL. tones

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    Quote Originally Posted by disorderlyvision View Post
    http://www.news-leader.com/article/2...t+under+review

    A special House committee has been formed to investigate the inner workings of a state agency that produced a controversial report linking some social conservative views to militia membership...

    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    That's a swell step in the right direction, but it's NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Militia Membership is no more subversive than social conservativism, and substantially less incendiary than Mob Rule.

    THEY ARE STILL PLAYING MILITIA AGAINST THE ROPES.

    This approach seeks to distinguish mamby pamby suburbanite disgruntled from the disgruntled that might actually DO something about being disgruntled.

    BEING A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES MILITIA IS AN HONOR AND A DUTY, NOT A RED FLAG FOR DISCRIMINATORY OPPRESSION.

    In my considered opinion, it is the Militia standing willing AND PREPARED to defend the American Constitution -- read that, THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS -- that keeps this administration's race to full-blown Communism from becoming a demolition derby.
    This bears repeating. And reiterating. And saying one more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    Why aren't they also looking into the Anti Defamation League??? They go around to law enforcement groups and teach classes on this...they are EVIL. tones
    Same reason"we" aren't. Scaredy cats, drowning in political correctness.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    Same problem with HR 1207.
    how so? i thought H.R. 1207 was just to open the books so the people can see what crock of $#@! the FED is, not to investigate, indict, convict, punish. i.e. it will be so apparent, there won't be any need for an investigation.

    sort of like publishing all the homoseually, child rape pictures from Abu and then letting the people decide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Original_Intent View Post
    This isn't a witch hunt....is that a wart on your nose?
    Seriously! Wtf?
    “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It’s not.”
    The Lorax, by Dr. Seuss

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
    how so? i thought H.R. 1207 was just to open the books so the people can see what crock of $#@! the FED is, not to investigate, indict, convict, punish. i.e. it will be so apparent, there won't be any need for an investigation.

    sort of like publishing all the homoseually, child rape pictures from Abu and then letting the people decide
    My understanding is that it calls for the General Accounting Office to review the Fed.

    We have CONFIDENCE in the sitting government, or we have NO CONFIDENCE in the sitting government.

    Or we can pick and choose, a la carte, playing patty-cake and peek-a-boo -- all the while fundraising for DIFFERENT politicians who vow to do it DIFFERENTLY -- and we can continue to dwindle, ironically, into an unwieldy and oversized and self-absorbed giant, like Baby Huey, whose chief industry and occupation is itself. "News" about who's who, and who's doing this and who's not doing that, and who's doing WHO.

    We'll produce sensationalism and sell security systems -- read that, MORE INSURANCE. We won't fix the problems but, by God, we'll invent costly systems and gadgets and services so YOU can assume personal responsibility and PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY. Compared to SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE, the cost is nominal. Spend smart, sleep well.

    Just don't hurt us.
    Last edited by cheapseats; 06-03-2009 at 08:49 AM.

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    GLARINGLY absent from the Oath Keepers' list of resolutions is a vow not to fire upon American citizens assembled in dissent, as for Redress of Grievance.

    The rest is bollocks without that.

    We don't care. We also manufacture Window Dressing.

    They snuck relaxation of gun laws in national parks into a credit card meddling bill . . . yay, score one for the home team! We're gaining on 'em now, boy, principles be damned -- stay the course, full speed ahead, SEND MORE MONEY!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    My understanding is that it calls for the General Accounting Office to review the Fed.

    We have CONFIDENCE in the sitting government, or we have NO CONFIDENCE in the sitting government.

    Or we can pick and choose, a la carte, playing patty-cake and peek-a-boo -- all the while fundraising for DIFFERENT politicians who vow to do it DIFFERENTLY -- and we can continue to dwindle, ironically, into an unwieldy and oversized and self-absorbed giant, like Baby Huey, whose chief industry and occupation is itself. "News" about who's who, and who's doing this and who's not doing that, and who's doing WHO.

    We'll produce sensationalism and sell security systems -- read that, MORE INSURANCE. We won't fix the problems but, by God, we'll invent costly systems and gadgets and services so YOU can assume personal responsibility and PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY. Compared to SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE, the cost is nominal. Spend smart, sleep well.

    Just don't hurt us.
    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    GLARINGLY absent from the Oath Keepers' list of resolutions is a vow not to fire upon American citizens assembled in dissent, as for Redress of Grievance.

    The rest is bollocks without that.

    We don't care. We also manufacture Window Dressing.

    They snuck relaxation of gun laws in national parks into a credit card meddling bill . . . yay, score one for the home team! We're gaining on 'em now, boy, principles be damned -- stay the course, full speed ahead, SEND MORE MONEY!!!!!!!
    i agree with you on all of this, but I guess I thought the GAO Audit would be just a posting of the FED's secret transactions. as you point out, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter.

    i'm not for reforming or limiting government; i'm for abolishing it completely.

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    Lightbulb Controversial MIAC profiling reports likely a thing of the past

    Controversial MIAC profiling reports likely a thing of the past
    Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:38 PM
    By Steve Walsh

    There is a good probability we will not see too many more documents similar to the controversial Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) report that suggested certain individuals or group members might be likely to engage in unlawful activities. That's the word from Missouri State Highway Patrol Lieutenant Dave Hall, the Director of MIAC, in comments made to a Missouri House committee that held its first meeting Wednesday at the State Capitol.

    "The strategic-type reports as you're referring to," Hall told the committee. "They are no longer being produced by the Missouri Information Analysis Center. We are not currently working on strategic reports and we are not going to be working on strategic reports."

    The hearing was an organizational meeting designed to set the stage for examining, reviewing, and reporting on the necessary procedures for enhancing legislative oversight of the methods of state intelligence gathering, analysis, and distribution to law enforcement agencies. The mandate of the committee is not to rehash the controversial report, but the contents of that report played a big role in the testimony and comments offered, including comments offered by Missouri State Highway Patrol Superintendent Colonel James Keathley.

    "I don't know if we will ever get back in the business of producing strategic reports, to be very honest with you." Keathley told the panel. "This report created us a lot of harm, a lot of problems. I'm not going to stand here and say anything other than that."

    Committee members were then taken on a tour of the MIAC Center in Jefferson City. Plans call for future meetings to be held in St. Louis, Kansas City, and Springfield. A schedule has not yet been finalized.

    http://www.missourinet.com/gestalt/g...532F7AF63CFDE9

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    They throw some so called liberals in the same pot, and there has never been an investigation. Favoritism is afforded those that kiss the ring.

    "The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment."

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    ISSOURI HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    HOUSE COMMITTEE MEETING NOTICE

    INTERIM COMMITTEE ON STATE INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS OVERSIGHT

    CHAIR: Representative Bob Dixon
    MEETING DATE: Tuesday, July 28, 2009
    TIME 1:00 P.M.
    LOCATION Anheuser-Busch Leadership Room
    Spellmann Campus Center
    Lindenwood University
    209 S. Kingshighway
    St. Charles, MO 63301

    BILLS TO BE CONSIDERED

    House Bills
    Senate Bills
    Comments
    To hear public testimony on the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) and law enforcement intelligence and intelligence-related activities

    Individuals wishing to testify should call 573-751-9809 or e-mail eric.jennings@house.mo.gov



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    Does anyone see a pattern?



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