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    North American Union

    I know for many of my fellow Ron Paul supporters, this is a huge issue. To be honest, it never seemed like that big of deal to me compared to Iraq and our sinking dollar. The Europe Union (minus England) has been around for a while and these countries seem to have maintained their language, traditions, and autonomy for the most part. I'm just not sure that the NAU should be the headline issue as it was in the last RP letter to supporters since I don't know how many average Joe voters will be energized to vote RP over this issue. Just my two cents.

    But on the other side of the coin, I just read an article where the new President of France is unhappy with the European Central Bank because they will not lower interest rates like our Fed is doing. So now a whole bunch of European countries have to agree on a monetary policy and then convince their equivalent of our Fed to act. Hmmm...yes, I see a problem there.



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    So you think it is ok to have an authority that is higher than the Constitution?

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    I know a few people in Europe, and they hate the EU. It is more and more interfering in their day to day lives and taking control away from their governments. Most disturbing is the fact that it controls so much, but everyone controlling the EU is totally unelected and unaccountable.
    “It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society.” -- Murray Rothbard

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    Goodbye Bill of Rights, goodbye representative government.

    Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

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    It's pretty obvious that we are facing a monetary crisis. IMO we are also being force fed the NAU. These two issues are intrinsically linked. It follows logic, that if the dollar devalues far enough, the economy totally collapses...anarchy ensues. Martial law follows with the suspension of The Constitution. Alas, then an argument can be made that we need to convert to a new currency and merge the 3 countries resources to compete on a global scale. We are facing a critical time in our countries history. Are you prepared? Tin foil??? Maybe.

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    My German girlfriend is going on a 2-day protest tomorrow against the EU's abusive anti-privacy practices.

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    An easy way to understand why the NAU and world government is bad is to look at it this way. How much control or voice do you think YOU as an individual have in what goes on in the Federal Government? Not much or very very little. Now imagine when the government is expanded to a whole region or worse yet the whole world -now how much control or voice do you think you will have? ZERO! That is why local government and state governments are so great because the average citizen has so much more of an opportunity to have his voice heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    It's pretty obvious that we are facing a monetary crisis. IMO we are also being force fed the NAU. These two issues are intrinsically linked. It follows logic, that if the dollar devalues far enough, the economy totally collapses...anarchy ensues. Martial law follows with the suspension of The Constitution. Alas, then an argument can be made that we need to convert to a new currency and merge the 3 countries resources to compete on a global scale. We are facing a critical time in our countries history. Are you prepared? Tin foil??? Maybe.


    Its not tin foil at all my friend and ANYONE who think so is woefully in denilal and in the dark. The dollar is being kept alive by printing money and when THEY ( central bankers) decide its time to pull the plug THEY can and if we lose our currency we LOSE OUR FREEDOM and that leaves 2 choices - compliance or physical revolution. Not pretty either way. Id rather work towards strengthing a broken system NOW so we never some to that fork in the road! It wont be pretty and they know this. Thsi may be why we have teh possiblity of MArshall law b/c it takes more and more control to keep this economic charade going! Instead of taking our medicine now we are allowing for lower interest rates and printing money......

    NAU is THE ISSUE! WAKE UP FOLKS! IF WE DONT HAVE OUR CONSTITUTION WE DONT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ARGUING OVER IMMIGARTION OR THE ECONOMY !!! It WOULD NOT BE AS PLEASANT A TRANSITION TO A NAU AS WAS IN EUROPE!

    Also the EU is fascist! And becoming more so each day! Their new proposed constitution eliminates habeus corpus, trial by jury, you are guilty until you prove your innocence which is prolly hard to do from a jail....no more elctions - apoointments by who - is anyones guess and a 666 clause for a future singular leader to take over for life and a seat in parliment for thsi TBD individual numbered 666 . The parlimentary building was designed after the Tower of Babel (nice huh?) and the symbol that represents it is a woman riding a beast.....think revelation. Sounds like a great deal for the governed in Europe! Whether you are a christain or not doesnt matter - for what ever reason it seeems they wish to identify their govt with something that in the Christain faith is quite malevolent! Hmmmm>

    Yes NAU is THE ISSUE b/c it is about the survival of the USA! We have to be careful to prepare financially....so we have choices....
    Last edited by RP4ME; 09-21-2007 at 03:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacmicwag View Post
    I know for many of my fellow Ron Paul supporters, this is a huge issue. To be honest, it never seemed like that big of deal to me compared to Iraq and our sinking dollar. The Europe Union (minus England) has been around for a while and these countries seem to have maintained their language, traditions, and autonomy for the most part. I'm just not sure that the NAU should be the headline issue as it was in the last RP letter to supporters since I don't know how many average Joe voters will be energized to vote RP over this issue. Just my two cents.

    But on the other side of the coin, I just read an article where the new President of France is unhappy with the European Central Bank because they will not lower interest rates like our Fed is doing. So now a whole bunch of European countries have to agree on a monetary policy and then convince their equivalent of our Fed to act. Hmmm...yes, I see a problem there.

    The war in Iraq (Iran?), the sinking dollar and the NAU/NWO are all part of the same problem. The war is bankrupting the country, the dollar is sinking to hide the fact that we are going bankrupt. (a less valuable dollar makes the stock market seem to be stronger. (high stock prices in weaker money = no real gain in value). The MIC (elitists) are taking all the profit from the war. And when the dollar collapses, the solution offered by our government will be the NAU/Amero.

    It's called Thesis, Anti-Thesis, Synthesis. Or more simply problem, reaction, solution. The globalist create a problem, wait for us to react (demand that they do something) and then offer us a lesser of two evils solution that is beneficial to them.
    Last edited by Patriot; 09-21-2007 at 03:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    The war in Iraq (Iran?), the sinking dollar and the NAU/NWO are all part of the same problem. The war is bankrupting the country, the dollar is sinking to hide the fact that we are going bankrupt. (a less valuable dollar makes the stock market seem to be stronger. (high stock prices in weaker money = no real gain in value). The MIC (elitists) are taking all the profit from the war. And when the dollar collapses, the solution offered by our government will be the NAU/Amero.

    It's called Thesis, Anti-Thesis, Synthesis. Or more simply problem, reaction, solution. The globalist create a problem, wait for us to react (demand that they do something) and then offer us a lesser of two evils solution that is beneficial to them.

    Patriot, thank you for the very lucid explanation. This is my take:

    The fact that "We the People" are being set up by the global elite is infuriating to those of us that are paying attention (we are the minority). This begs the question, how do you get the people that are not paying attention, to pay attention? Is it human nature to bury ones head in the sand and be so easily brainwashed? Are we truly a herd animal, that's content to go with the flow? I am more convinced than ever, that this indeed is the case. The evidence pointing to this is overwhelming.

    RP4ME, you made an excellent point concerning fascism. If people think that the fascism today is out of control, just wait until the NAU/NWO comes to fruition.

    We freedom loving people are in for a very bumpy ride.

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    Going into an alliance like that, means that the nations involved will lose their sovereignty (obviously), Canada and Mexico will probably end up with our government are they crazy??

    Also the problem of the ECC, the Euro brought Europe unity and easy access to eachothers markets... but they have an intrest rate that is just a compromize for the entire Union, and not adapted to the needs of each individual country. That's the problem too with the Federal Reserve (and the individual States, New York and California don't need the same rate as Louisiana), but a North American-Union would expand that problem instead of dealing with it. In the end, it prevents the optimization of economic growth... in a way that is not matched by the benefits of the open borders.

    Of course, the entire concept isn't based on an economic agenda....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Patriot, thank you for the very lucid explanation. This is my take:

    The fact that "We the People" are being set up by the global elite is infuriating to those of us that are paying attention (we are the minority). This begs the question, how do you get the people that are not paying attention, to pay attention? Is it human nature to bury ones head in the sand and be so easily brainwashed? Are we truly a herd animal, that's content to go with the flow? I am more convinced than ever, that this indeed is the case. The evidence pointing to this is overwhelming.

    RP4ME, you made an excellent point concerning fascism. If people think that the fascism today is out of control, just wait until the NAU/NWO comes to fruition.

    We freedom loving people are in for a very bumpy ride.
    Through many many days and hours spent in all sorts of efforts to raise awareness of Ron Paul, I have come to the conclusion that the majority of people don't deserve to live in the free country that was given to them by the sheer accident of birth. They're uniformed, easily led/distracted, and far too lazy to become informed. This applies even to my own family and friends.

    My son (14 yrs old) and I were discussing this yesterday. I told him that when this very thing has happened throughout history - a brilliant civilization crumbles for whatever reason - there was always a percentage of the population who were aware, informed, and active in some way. They were the ones who hid the books or kept the vital information intact somehow, formed secret groups who passed on these things over long periods until the time came and civilization flourished again. It's happened over and over and over.

    So while the masses insist on taking us with them into the tyranny unto which they so willingly and blindly succumb, there are the Ron Pauls and Lew Rockwells and Andrew Napolitanos and many, many more who will keep the principles alive.

    It's just such a waste of time, this descent into socialism which has never ever worked ever in history. That's what pisses me off. We could be elevating ourselves to untold heights of creativity, academia, technology, prosperity, philosophy...but instead we have to wallow around with the lowest common denominator.

    Seriously. If the Ron Paul message weren't so important, I wouldn't be out among the general population for any length of time. It's depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacmicwag View Post
    I know for many of my fellow Ron Paul supporters, this is a huge issue. To be honest, it never seemed like that big of deal to me compared to Iraq and our sinking dollar. The Europe Union (minus England) has been around for a while and these countries seem to have maintained their language, traditions, and autonomy for the most part. I'm just not sure that the NAU should be the headline issue as it was in the last RP letter to supporters since I don't know how many average Joe voters will be energized to vote RP over this issue. Just my two cents.

    But on the other side of the coin, I just read an article where the new President of France is unhappy with the European Central Bank because they will not lower interest rates like our Fed is doing. So now a whole bunch of European countries have to agree on a monetary policy and then convince their equivalent of our Fed to act. Hmmm...yes, I see a problem there.
    The central bank is the problem, it owns all of these countries. The French can do little to stop it. That's why it worked so hard for everyone to adopt the Euro.

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    <b>"I am a U.S. Citizen!"</b>

    All 2008 presidential candidates are members of the prestigious cabal called the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), except a few. "We the People of the United States of America", are headed towards a one world government, if the members of the CFR have their way. The old NAFTA treaty, the CAFTA treaty, and the recently implemented Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) are stepping stones towards a "New World Order"(NWO).

    The hidden agenda of the CFR is to further diminish U.S. sovereignty, in order to foster free trade, which will benefit the owners of large multi-national corporations. The late Mr. Arthur M. Schlesinger wrote in the August 1995 edition of Foreign Affairs, "In defense of the world order ... U.S. soldiers would have to kill and die".

    Today the European Union (EU) consists of 27 states, except Switzerland. On March 4, 2001 the Swiss voted on March 4, 2001 with a 77.3% majority to remain Swiss citizens, and not join the EU. The new EU Constitution has only been fully ratified by 16 of the 27 states.

    I stand together with the proud Swiss, and prefer to remain a citizen of my own country, rather than a citizen of a supranational union. I like our present form of government established by the U.S. Constitution, and our liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.

    Ms. Daneen G. Peterson, Ph.D., gave a speech in Salt Lake City, UT, on September 9, 2006 entitled "America is a Constitutional Republic . . . NOT a Democracy". The contempt of the U.S. Constitution shown by our current president is evidenced by the part of her speech cited in the next paragraph.

    ..."In fact, the Constitution is far more than 'outmoded,' according to President Bush who rebuffed GOP leader's request to soft pedal some parts of the 'Patriot Act' by saying: "I don't give a goddamn . . . I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way." Then, responding to an aide who stated: "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution." Bush screamed back: "Stop throwing the constitution in my face . . . It's just a goddamned piece of paper!""...

    In case you may be wondering, which presidential candidates are not members of the CFR, one answer is on the sign in front of my house, please look at it when you pass by. Additional information about the North American Union can be found at Dr. Peterson's website StopTheNorthAmericanUnion.com. Other information on the NWO can be found at YouTube.com.

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    Shouldn't ignoring the constitution be considered as treason?
    He who wishes to secure the good of others has already secured his own.
    Confucius

    "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out... If people only understood the rank injustice of the money and banking system, there would be a revolution by morning."
    Andrew Jackson

    'In an age of deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act'
    George Orwell



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    This is the time to resist against North American Union, it is one word

    TREASON

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    Watch Dr. Paul denounce the North American Union at the four minute mark. An interesting note but he remarks that politicians against the NAU are labeled by the media as ‘CONSPIRATORIAL’. See how Dr. Paul eloquently speaks to the support of Israel in the first four minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Jn2xCF92Y
    "Masterful and arrogant wealth, created largely by Government protection of its profits, not content with its domination and influence within a single party, had sought to corrupt them both, and to that end had insinuated itself into the primaries, in order that no candidates might be nominated whose views were not in accord with theirs." (‘Colonel’ Edward Mandell House in 'Philip Dru: Administrator', circa 1912)

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    teh nau is not something we can vote on.....it wont come as a vote - THEY know it woudl neever pass in teh states .....they will destroy teh dollar - create a new currency that merges all three together ......

    Its funny teh Swiss have rejecte dit but they are surrounded geographically by EU so in time they coudl be FORCED to join it......

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    I bet they add in the central american nations as well........that would make 10 nations total, from canada to panama, entry into south america...... the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns???

    could be......what would be great is if all of us can make an eligence, sacrifice, pick up and move to the same area and form a non 501-c-3 church or community and use our economics to protect and defend us from this tyranny, create our own media, our own economy, our own preparations as a completely constitutional community of our own.....I don't see much getting done for resistance unless we band together somehow and be a resistance, then a preparation for if all hell breaks loose in an economic collapse....right now, we a re vulnerble.....who would be willing to pay the price to move to a common area and work to preserve this republic????
    Le'ts jsut hope Ron paul gets in and awakens america!

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    oh wait....about banning together........ I forgot....... they already tried that........ it was called Waco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacmicwag View Post
    I know for many of my fellow Ron Paul supporters, this is a huge issue. To be honest, it never seemed like that big of deal to me . . .I'm just not sure that the NAU should be the headline issue
    You have got to be kidding. The NAU is the ONLY ISSUE! If the US loses its sovereignty and is destroyed, none of the other issues really matter. Our Constitution will be gone, we will no longer be free and what the people want will not matter. They are pushing the NAU on us without our consent -- we will have no say once it arrives.

    I repeat, we will have no freedom, we will have no rights!

    Sorry, but you need to WAKE UP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by weatherbill View Post
    ....right now, we a re vulnerble.....who would be willing to pay the price to move to a common area and work to preserve this republic????
    Check out the Free State Project.
    "...It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere..." -- Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsentell View Post
    You have got to be kidding. The NAU is the ONLY ISSUE! If the US loses its sovereignty and is destroyed, none of the other issues really matter. Our Constitution will be gone, we will no longer be free and what the people want will not matter. They are pushing the NAU on us without our consent -- we will have no say once it arrives.

    I repeat, we will have no freedom, we will have no rights!

    Sorry, but you need to WAKE UP!
    I think the coming NAU has a great deal to do with our wide-open borders. I think the continued, unchecked illegal immgration from south of our border is being allowed to happen for a purpose that has nothing to do with 'willing workers' and everything to do with homogenizing the U.S. for easier integration with Mexico. I honestly think that Canada being included in the merger with happen after the merger with Mexico has begun. Everything is happening for a reason and, sadly, most people are more concerned with American Idol than with our Liberty and Freedom. Bread and circuses -- seems to still work just fine to keep the people complascent.
    "...It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere..." -- Voltaire

    "When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." ~~ D. James

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    Let's see - we have real and immediate problems. Fine Americans are dying in a needless war. We have a president ready to start another illegal war (or two.) The Constitution is being ignored and our basic rights to privacy and due process are under attack. The country is being bankrupted by foreign wars and domestic profligacy. And you folks think the issue is some fantasy union with Canada and Mexico? Well, OK.

    Urban legend of "North American Union" feeds on fears

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickSp View Post
    Let's see - we have real and immediate problems. Fine Americans are dying in a needless war. We have a president ready to start another illegal war (or two.) The Constitution is being ignored and our basic rights to privacy and due process are under attack. The country is being bankrupted by foreign wars and domestic profligacy. And you folks think the issue is some fantasy union with Canada and Mexico? Well, OK.

    Urban legend of "North American Union" feeds on fears
    Please post your proof.
    Several congressmen and Ron Paul have taken positions against the North American Union.
    The CFR on there own website have a pdf of "Building a North American Community"
    http://www.cfr.org/content/publicati...a_TF_final.pdf -
    Bush was in Canada at a conference earlier this year on the SPP.
    This is NO fantasy.
    This is serious and you are either misinformed, willfully Ignorant, or just plain stupid.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Please post your proof.
    Several congressmen and Ron Paul have taken positions against the North American Union.
    The CFR on there own website have a pdf of "Building a North American Community"
    http://www.cfr.org/content/publicati...a_TF_final.pdf -
    Bush was in Canada at a conference earlier this year on the SPP.
    This is NO fantasy.
    This is serious and you are either misinformed, willfully Ignorant, or just plain stupid.
    LOL. Post my proof? You support a tin-hat conspiracy and ask me for proof. Are you that afraid of Canadians? Or even Meskins? "Building a North American Community"? Oh, "community" is such a nasty word. And Bush went to Canada? Oh scary. (Just a pity he came back.) Free trade with two of our largest trading partners doesn't seem like such a terrible idea to me.

    Feel free to call me stupid anytime you want. Considering the source it doesn't bother me one bit.
    Last edited by RickSp; 11-27-2007 at 12:44 PM.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by RickSp View Post
    LOL. Post my proof? You support a tin-hat conspiracy and ask me for proof. Are you that afraid of Canadians? Or even Meskins? "Building a North American Community"? Oh, "community" is such a nasty word. And Bush went to Canada? Oh scary. (Just a pity he came back.)

    Feel free to call me stupid anytime you want. Considering the source it doesn't bother me one bit.
    From your other posts it is easy to see that you support a Globalist Agenda,
    You are No supporter of Ron Paul and are working to undermine his positions.
    http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=515
    American Independence and Sovereignty

    So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our independence as a nation. They transfer power from our government to unelected foreign elites.

    The ICC wants to try our soldiers as war criminals. Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a doctor’s prescription to take herbs and vitamins. Alternative treatments could be banned.

    The WTO has forced Congress to change our laws, yet we still face trade wars. Today, France is threatening to have U.S. goods taxed throughout Europe. If anything, the WTO makes trade relations worse by giving foreign competitors a new way to attack U.S. jobs.

    NAFTA’s superhighway is just one part of a plan to erase the borders between the U.S. and Mexico, called the North American Union. This spawn of powerful special interests, would create a single nation out of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, with a new unelected bureaucracy and money system. Forget about controlling immigration under this scheme.

    And a free America, with limited, constitutional government, would be gone forever.

    Let’s not forget the UN. It wants to impose a direct tax on us. I successfully fought this move in Congress last year, but if we are going to stop ongoing attempts of this world government body to tax us, we will need leadership from the White House.

    We must withdraw from any organizations and trade deals that infringe upon the freedom and independence of the United States of America.
    Stupid is as stupid does.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  33. #29
    [QUOTE=Patriot;204535]...[QUOTE]

    Sorry, off topic. Your sig is great!!!

  34. #30
    when even cnn talks about it...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

    the EU began with talks too, and now I have a currency that inflated at least 30% since introduction.
    He who wishes to secure the good of others has already secured his own.
    Confucius

    "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out... If people only understood the rank injustice of the money and banking system, there would be a revolution by morning."
    Andrew Jackson

    'In an age of deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act'
    George Orwell

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