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It's an interesting hodge-podge of messages that comes across by you posting this, Objectivist.
1) Your pseudonym suggests you adhere to some sort of anti-state Randian philosphy.
2) Your avatar is a photo of Ludwig von Mises, who likely never found a government program he wouldn't eliminate and was opposed to military statism.
3) Yet in your comments on JFK, you assert that he was a "patriot" for merely "serving" in the Navy. Are you suggesting that that is either 1) a requirement for being a "patriot", or 2) that alone can make one a patriot?
4) You applaud the wasteful and statist NASA. How would Mises or Objectivism square with that view.
Your opinions are your own, and we are all individuals, not cookie cutter cut-outs who adhere perfectly to any system. My "libertarian failings" are trains and dense urban areas, both of which I prefer over their competitors, but neither of which occur today without massive state-intervention. This requires me to opposed the process by which they come about, and enjoy them as a guilty pleasure. That said, I recognize how my tastes are inconsistent with my philosophy, even if I don't advocate the creation of more of the things I like.
My point in all this is that your post painted a very inconsistent, confusing picture of where you were coming from.
Only reason he is so famous as a president is because he got shot, /shrug,
Great swimmer and how do you navigate in the pitch black of night when you can't see the destroyer coming at you?
He cut taxes and was about to pull out of Vietnam when he fell to an assassins bullets.
Started the Navy SEALs and the Peace Corps, got us headed to the Moon even though the space program was well on its way during Eisenhower's Administration. Folded on missile defense with the Soviets by pulling back from Turkey.
I just would have liked that his death didn't fall on November 22nd, 1963.
He was the only Catholic president. And was shot because of it. His assassination was not by a lone gunman. And the known story behind his killing makes the movie look tame.
Oswald, charged with murder...
Jacob Rubenstein....
Orthodox Jewish decedent...
murders Oswald...
in a police precinct... ok!
But wait theres mores...
Bobby Kennedy then runs for Office of The President...
and he too is shot...
by....???
Sirhan Bishara Sirhan... WTF!
A Palestinian...
Christian...
Yeah, no conspiracy here, just move along folks...nothing to see here...
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He wrote legislation to end the Fed which is still in place today just not enforced it was the last law he wrote
Amazing how in 7 pages of discussion there wasn't much detail about JFK's presidency given...
I am the spoon.
He was killed because of what transpired at the Bay of Pigs , it was on , after that , you hang that many professional killers out to dry and they all do not die , then , it is over for you. If you did it to me , I would not forget, but, I would not have been there , probably would have just took a hunting/ fishing trip to Canada instead .Last Dem president to understand taxes , spending , maybe . I know exactly who & why.Matters not now , when I am gone ,it will not matter as well...
I heard Kennedy was born in Kenya or Indonesia and wasn't a legitimate President.
Let me lay it on the line
He had two on the vine
I mean two sets of testicles
So divine
On a horse made of crystal
He patrolled the land
With the mason ring and schnauzer
And his perfect hands
...oh wait that's Washington, not Kennedy. Ah well, close enough.
"Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces."-Étienne de La Boétie
The best thing for his legacy was getting shot. Otherwise he would be blamed for Vietnam since it was his plan to go there from the beginning.
Kennedy wanted to disarm the United States and hand control over to the United Nations.
He was not a very popular president when he was murdered. Then, came the martyrdom...
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Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
JFK was a typical liberal socialist of his ilk, sure, he supported a couple of good things but that doesn't mean anything in the larger scheme of things
As has been pointed out, he was anti-gun rights, he was very much into supra-national governance & despite the fact that "he cut taxes", well, he did to RAISE REVENUES so that he could engage in more of his big government policies, not to mention he was a typical socialist Democrat with a taste for redistribution of income & welfare
It's like just because Kucinich supported Audit The Fed bill or that he opposes wars doesn't mean he's a supporter of liberty, just because Barney Frank had a bill with Ron Paul to decriminalize marijuana doesn't mean he's a liberty-lover; NO, there aren't just two kinds of people - "us" & "them" - NO, people are people & there's a whole wide range of them out there & it would be more obvious if people tried to look at people as individuals rather than buying into conspiracy theories telling them that so & so are acting in complete unison, no, just like supporting Ron Paul doesn't mean that everyone here supports freedom in its entirety, there are people here from radical anarcho-capitalists to various kinds of socialists & obviously it's hard to see them working in unison on all issues & this holds true for any group of individuals working together
So this emphasis on segregating people as "us" vs "them" is largely fallacious, just because people believe in something that is antithetical to you doesn't mean they're evil & that holds true for whether someone supports/opposes Fed or global governance or whatever, it only distorts the real picture of reality & we isolates ourselves from reason & objectivity
Anyways so to me, JFK was ok on some issues but not really worth it, just a little bit like Kucinich; here's the link again to JFK MYTH - http://www.freedomforceinternational...refpage=issues
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- Milton Friedman
He had some weird language in his speeches that I don't quite understand. I tend to think he wasn't fully on board with the establishment, hence why he was eliminated when he tried to eliminate the Fed. Nonetheless, it seems like some things contradict any libertarian ideology may have had, but some of his speeches suggested he may have been trying to communicate what was really going on, although it probably went over most people's heads.
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2 million dead Vietnamese
58,000+ dead Americans
Howz that for starters? And yeah yeah "what he would have done". Right, woulda coulda shoulda .
There's a pamphlet produced by FEE ( The oldest Libertarian think tank in the USA )( http://www.fee.org ) written by Dr Hans Sennholz which showed what every president did for the last century and it'll open eyes. EVERY one of them did something to involve us in a war, a debasement of the currency, raise ( or invent ) new taxes etc. Every single one of them.
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If JFK were alive today, he would be considered too extreme for mainstream politics, and a potential terrorist.
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The Kennedy conspiracy exhibits the same amount of odds, if not better ones, that it was a conspiracy. There's just no way one man could have carried out something like that, and it is far too obvious that something is/was being covered up. The autopsy records and the photos were very telling.
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The poster you were replying to said, "The Obama Deception would have you believe..."
and you replied with "Think so?" which suggests to me that you thought he was talking from his own point of view rather than pointing out what The Obama Deception said about it. Sorry if it got you confused.
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Study questions:
What was the Eisenhower Doctrine?
What was the Korean conflict all about?
How did the Korean conflict directly influence the policy in Vietnam?
What was the majority view of the US public wrt the Policy of Containment applied to SE Asia in 1958-60?
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ATTAINING FREEDOM
Man must get rid of illusions that enslave and paralyze him; he must become aware of the reality inside and outside of him in order to create a world which needs no illusions. Freedom and independence can be achieved only when the chains of illusion are broken.
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“In a land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness” Robert Griffin III
dup
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ATTAINING FREEDOM
Man must get rid of illusions that enslave and paralyze him; he must become aware of the reality inside and outside of him in order to create a world which needs no illusions. Freedom and independence can be achieved only when the chains of illusion are broken.
--ERICH FROMM
“In a land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness” Robert Griffin III
My impressions of JFK are that he's overrated because of the whole assassination though. Conspiracy theorists say the CIA killed him, so they assume he was an innocent guy "fighting against the machine..." when the reality is he is responsible for the Bay of Pigs invasion, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and he also continued MKUltra under his administration.
But I'm just an uneducated Canadian, so disregard my opinion.
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