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    Penn Jillette: Why I’m a Libertarian Nut Instead of Just a Nut

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/art...cle/198/25575/

    Penn Jillette: Why I’m a Libertarian Nut Instead of Just a Nut

    May 20, 2009 - 11:27 ET

    By Penn Jillette

    As Seen in Fusion Magazine

    I don’t speak for all Libertarians any more than Sean Penn speaks for all Democrats. I’m not even sure my LP membership card is up to date. I’ve voted Libertarian as long as I can remember but I don’t really remember much before the Clintons and the Bushes. Those clans made a lot of us bugnutty. When I go on Glenn’s show he calls me a Libertarian, I think that’s my only real credential.

    There are historical reasons and pragmatic reasons to be a Libertarian, but there are historic and pragmatic reasons to be a Democrat, a Republican or a Socialist. I don’t know if everyone would be better off under a Libertarian government. I don’t know what would be best for anyone. I don’t even know what’s best for me. What makes me Libertarian is I don’t think anyone else really knows what’s best for anyone. My argument for Libertarianism is simple - personal morality.

    I start with the Declaration of Independence: “Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” So, essentially our government does what they do with my consent.

    I know barely enough about Max Weber to type his name into Google, but it seems he’s credited with asserting the idea that the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force. I put those two ideas together (my consent and use of physical force) and figure we all give our government the right to use force. So, the way I figure, it’s not okay for our government to use force in any situation where I personally wouldn’t use force.

    For example, if I’m not willing to kill a cute cow, I shouldn’t eat steak. I don’t have to kill Bessy right now with my bare hands, but I have to be willing to snuff her if I want to chow down on a T-bone. If it’s not okay for me, it’s not okay for a slaughterhouse. Asking someone else to do something immoral is immoral. If it’s not okay for me to break David Blaine’s hands so my magic show has less competition, it’s not okay for me to ask someone else to beat him up. Someone else doing your dirty work is still your dirty work.

    If I had a gun, and I knew a murder was happening, (we’re speaking hypothetically here, I’m not asking you to believe that I could accurately tell a murder from aggressive CPR), I would use that gun to stop that murder. I might be too much of a coward to use a gun myself to stop a murder or rape or robbery, but I think the use of a gun is justified. I’m even okay with using force to enforce voluntary contracts. If I were a hero, I would use a gun to protect the people who choose to live under this free system and to stop another country from attacking America. But I wouldn’t use a gun to force someone to love something like say…a library.

    Look, I love libraries. I spent a lot of time in the Greenfield Public Library when I was a child. I would give money to build a library. I would ask you to give money to build a library. But, if for some reason you were crazy enough to think you had a better idea for your money than building my library, I wouldn’t pull a gun on you. I wouldn’t use a gun to build an art museum, look at the wonders of the universe through a big telescope, or even find a cure for cancer.

    The fact that the majority wants something good does not give them the right to use force on the minority that don’t want to pay for it. If you have to use a gun, it’s not really a very good idea. Democracy without respect for individual rights sucks. It’s just ganging up on the weird kid, and I’m always the weird kid.

    People try to argue that government isn’t really force. You believe that? Try not paying your taxes. (This is only a thought experiment though -- suggesting someone not pay their taxes is probably a federal offense, and while I may be a nut, I’m not crazy.) When they come to get you for not paying your taxes, try not going to court. Guns will be drawn. Government is force.

    It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered. If we’re compassionate, we’ll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint.

    I’m a Libertarian nut because I don’t want my government to do anything in my name that I wouldn’t do myself.



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    Not the most articulate explanation of libertarianism, but direct and to-the-point. Thanks, OP!
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    Actually I thought it an awesome essay - something that the average person could really understand. And if I understand him right, that makes him a voluntaryist, which is awesome.

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    Just a nut now.

    Penn Jillette: You have one job, Joe

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/opini...ion/index.html

    By: Penn Jillette 11 Nov 2020

    Okay, so it's not over, there will be court fights, but Joe has won. I used to identify as Libertarian, I used to have opinions on government. I used to think I disagreed with Joe Biden on most everything, but I voted for him. I wanted the other guy fired and I wanted Joe hired and for me the job description is now very simple. I need Joe to love all the Trump supporters. I don't care if Joe raises taxes. I don't care if Joe helps add stupid, counterproductive regulations. I don't care about anything except love and kindness.

    I've never seen Joe as a hero, but now we need a Nelson Mandela. We need MLK. And it needs to be Joe. We need someone who can love the people who hated him and lied about him. He must rise to the occasion.

    Half the country voted for Trump. These people did not buy a pig in a poke like in 2016, these were people who knew what they were voting for and voted anyway. It's appalling and horrifying, but these people are not monsters. These people are our neighbors and our relatives.

    These people are us, and we need someone who can teach us to love them again.

    Joe started saying the right things already, but he has to go all the way. Please, Joe, make me embarrassed to say anything bad about Trump supporters. Please fill all our hearts with love for each other. Please. This is Joe's chance to have the situation make him better than he has any right to be. Please teach us to love and understand and move on together.

    You have one job, Joe -- love all of us.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 11-12-2020 at 11:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    You have one job, Joe -- love all of us.
    Holy guacamole! He wants love from a politician? Robespierre loved the people of France.

    I want love from friends. They are the only ones who truly know me. If any politician was capable of showing me love, it was Ron Paul, and I never expected that. Is Penn 5 years old?
    ...

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    I believe Penn will be in for a rude awaking.

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    Another Hollywood sellout. Someone probably started applying pressure to his show and he caved. I person who gives on their own morals and ideas is worse than the rabid Marxist that believes the indoctrination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Holy guacamole! He wants love from a politician? Robespierre loved the people of France.

    I want love from friends. They are the only ones who truly know me. If any politician was capable of showing me love, it was Ron Paul, and I never expected that. Is Penn 5 years old?
    The intellect of a five year old...or stoned.

    Or both.
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    Was always a big fan of Penn & Teller. Penn’s Opinion is surprising here. Soooo naive from a man like him to think that “Joe” will do anything to support libertarian ideas and personal freedoms. Hey I get he doesn’t like Trump, I don’t like him either but to think our country will improve with “Joe”... smh.
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    I don't care about anything except love and kindness.
    He will make a great chairman in the Ministry of Love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    I believe Penn will be in for a rude awaking.
    That is if we are assuming he is ignorant. Club members know exactly what they are getting.

    When it comes to outsiders the elites are mostly completely dishonest and morally degenerate people that will do anything to anyone or for anyone within the club if it will line their own pockets or provide favours for them in some way or for the purpose of protecting other club members or themselves. Party politics are irrelevant to them. The most far left Democrats and right Republicans rub elbows together as part of that family. It is all one big scam on us.

    When I say elites and the club I am speaking of entertainment figures, billionaires and tech CEO's, the news media and most politicians. It is like one big high school class where they all know one another, are there because of their connections, agreed mutual belief systems and to protect one another from outsiders.

    It is a hidden class system that Americans have been fooled into believe does not exist. It is actually us against them, regardless of philosophy, racial or religious identity.

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    And now he's a complete nutjob for supporting Biden.
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    A sorry ass entertainer who prolly never was libertarian. If I had a nickel for every commie claiming libertarian....
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    And now he's a complete nutjob for supporting Biden.
    Who is nuts really, him or us here for always thinking these Hollywood stars are telling the truth when they throw us a bone into believing they believe the same things we do.

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    A sorry ass entertainer who prolly never was libertarian. If I had a nickel for every commie claiming libertarian....
    You get it. They are all professional liars paid to entertain you and that is not going to happen unless they give you that warm fuzzy feeling inside thinking they believe the same things as you do.

    Americans have a choice. To continue to live the illusion about what Hollywood and the elites really believe and think of them, or starve our common enemy of our support.

    This goes for the outspoken lefties and frauds on the right playing a role to appeal to you.
    Last edited by kahless; 11-12-2020 at 09:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Just a nut now.

    Penn Jillette: You have one job, Joe

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/opini...ion/index.html

    By: Penn Jillette 11 Nov 2020

    Okay, so it's not over, there will be court fights, but Joe has won. I used to identify as Libertarian, I used to have opinions on government. I used to think I disagreed with Joe Biden on most everything, but I voted for him. I wanted the other guy fired and I wanted Joe hired and for me the job description is now very simple. I need Joe to love all the Trump supporters. I don't care if Joe raises taxes. I don't care if Joe helps add stupid, counterproductive regulations. I don't care about anything except love and kindness.

    I've never seen Joe as a hero, but now we need a Nelson Mandela. We need MLK. And it needs to be Joe. We need someone who can love the people who hated him and lied about him. He must rise to the occasion.

    Half the country voted for Trump. These people did not buy a pig in a poke like in 2016, these were people who knew what they were voting for and voted anyway. It's appalling and horrifying, but these people are not monsters. These people are our neighbors and our relatives.

    These people are us, and we need someone who can teach us to love them again.

    Joe started saying the right things already, but he has to go all the way. Please, Joe, make me embarrassed to say anything bad about Trump supporters. Please fill all our hearts with love for each other. Please. This is Joe's chance to have the situation make him better than he has any right to be. Please teach us to love and understand and move on together.

    You have one job, Joe -- love all of us.
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    Yea Penn sounds like a few RPF people who suffer from TDS except worse, because he thinks Biden is some compassionate old man that will love the Trump base. Biden even insults people who go to see him speak. Penn hit that sin city weed one way too many times.
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    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

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  20. #17
    Dude's a joker. Such a waste of precious time

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    Uh yeah, no......

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