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    MY Report for the End the War/Impeach Bush Rally - MISSED OPPORTUNITY

    This post is not specifically addressed to Liberty Eagle but to all the nay-sayers about Ron Paul's presence in DC on Saturday.

    I got there at 12 PM and there were already a ton of people there. Everyone from the Answer Coalition to 9/11 Truth guys to Global Warming informers were there. Impeach.org said in an email to me that there were 100k people there but I don't know, it was definitely difficult to tell. I showed up with this homemade sign:

    1) Impeach Bush
    2) End the War
    3) Elect Ron Paul

    Why? Because this is my agenda. I'm not out here spreading RP's message just to get him elected because that won't actually do much. I believe strongly we must spread our unadulterated truth because if we don't we're just censoring ourselves just like politicians and will never affect real change. Nevertheless, my sign was VERY well received. Townhall will be Townhall, a bunch of neo-con, warmongering pricks - and nothing's going to change how they will depict Paulians. Even if 15-20 of us didn't show up, they probably would have photoshopped us in and said how crazy we were. Were the rest of those people at the rally crazies too? Should I not have showed up at all because I'm afraid somebody's going to paint me as a kool-aid drinking hippy? HELL NO. Townhall does not choose what stances I promote. I was out there to spread all worthy messages, not just the convenient ones. In fact, before we started marching, a 9/11 truth informer gave me his megaphone to alert the people about Northcom's martial law drill coming up and I was happy to do it - WITH MY RON PAUL SIGN IN HAND.

    Before we started to march, dozens of people took pictures of my sign and I encouraged it. Why? Because the more we can associate Ron Paul the Republican with Ending the War, the better. When we marched I got the opportunity to speak with many people from all walks of life. I spoke with paulites, socialists, 80 year olds to 12 year olds, government officials, truthers, Webster Tarpley (that was an interesting one), and on and on. The constant theme between these people was that most of them didn't even know who Ron Paul was!

    Liberty Eagle, I respect you A LOT and have learned a great deal from you. But how can you say that spreading the Ron Paul name to people who are so vehemently against the war, enough so that they would attend a rally, is a detrimental act just because some pundits are going to spin it? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Townhall readers are not our target market, the people at the rally WERE our target market. When we reached the capital, a RP supporter with a megaphone let me go off and we passed out hundreds of flyers in 10 minutes! You could say there was some interest...

    There were a lot of pro-war people at the rally. Mostly they were just antagonizing us. They held signs from the Bush swipe file like, "Support our troops", "Safer since 9/11", "Support our president", "Stay the course", and my favorite "Hippies smell." I was really discouraged to relearn that people like this existed. Not everyone was hostile but most were and 95% of them didn't have any coherent argument for the war, only personal attacks. One girl kept making fun of my shoes, like that was some kind of way to discredit my stances (nike flyers?). The unfortunate truth is most of these people will not change. But I had the unique opportunity to talk with mothers on the other side of the gate who either had a son in the war or dead from the war or one of both. I was ASTONISHED to learn how pro-war they were, although I understand that they do not want their sons to die or fight in vain. I did my best to inform them that they are dying and fighting in vain right now and their stubbornness to see passed the lies was not helping the cause, only putting their family in danger. If I affected change in one person's opinion on the other side of the fence (literally speaking), then I believe I did a service to our troops, the Iraqi people, and the American people.

    The biggest problem I saw with the rally was that there weren't ENOUGH Ron Paul supporters there. Even if you weren't promoting Ron Paul there, why didn't you show up? Aren't you against the war, the meaningless deaths, the out of control spending, and the threat against our liberties? Aren't you an American patriot enough to stand up to the President and insist that he cannot commit any crime he pleases and skate by? What are you really for? Are you for your own self interests that Ron Paul is supporting or are you for freedom, prosperity, and peace? Are you really going to sit by and let some people on a forum tell you not to support the things you believe in because it could potentially alienate already alienated voters? Is that how you affect REAL CHANGE?

    Those who were there in support of Ron Paul realize what an opportunity it was for us and WE MISSED IT! But I did my best and I will do the same at the next End the war/Impeach Bush rally because of the tremendous exposure I provided to our target voters. I'll do the same thing at a 9/11 truth rally or any other rally where I can find voters who might be interested in hearing an honest politician speak, even if he doesn't directly support the positions of the rally. I thank all the Ron Paul supporters who showed up, even if they didn't promote Ron Paul at the rally.

    Truth and fact supersede all. If some dude on Townhall wants to mock the thousands of people at the rally, let him. What he is saying is not truth or fact. Therefore, you shouldn't even be putting it out into space because it's irrelevant and will only further false propoganda. What is truth is that American citizens gave up their freedom by intentionally getting arrested trying to deliver a message to congressmen in a publicly owned building and thousand risked arrest in a die-in. Those are the people we should be talking about. I don't even care whether they vote for Ron Paul because we're already united in patriotism and that's the true cause here. Political elections are just a dog and pony show. No election will ever give us our freedom back. We will only get our liberties back if we TAKE them back - and that includes supporting and attending any rally that supports freedom, peace, truth, or love. Over and out.
    Last edited by dseisner; 09-20-2007 at 06:32 PM.
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    You either believe that within your society more individuals are good than evil, and that by protecting the freedom of individuals within that society you will end up with a society that is as fair as possible, or you believe that within your society more individuals are evil than good, and that by limiting the freedom of individuals within that society you will end up with a society that is as fair as possible.

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    I don't understand, is this you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dseisner View Post
    I don't understand, is this you?
    hahahaha

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    Not me.

    It's the story that should be reported.

    (Note: I don't mean, "It's the story that should be reported instead of your report" but "It's the story that should be reported instead of the 'there were Ron Paul supporters in the crowd' stories.")
    Last edited by ronpaulitician; 09-20-2007 at 06:49 PM.
    You either believe that within your society more individuals are good than evil, and that by protecting the freedom of individuals within that society you will end up with a society that is as fair as possible, or you believe that within your society more individuals are evil than good, and that by limiting the freedom of individuals within that society you will end up with a society that is as fair as possible.

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    That guy needs to be put in shackles

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    Is that an actual soldier on the ground? I hope not.
    "Anarchists oppose the State because it has its very being in such aggression, namely, the expropriation of private property through taxation, the coercive exclusion of other providers of defense service from its territory, and all of the other depredations and coercions that are built upon these twin foci of invasions of individual rights." -Murray Rothbard

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxagol View Post
    Is that an actual soldier on the ground? I hope not.
    It's the father of a fallen soldier, being kicked by pro-war veterans.
    You either believe that within your society more individuals are good than evil, and that by protecting the freedom of individuals within that society you will end up with a society that is as fair as possible, or you believe that within your society more individuals are evil than good, and that by limiting the freedom of individuals within that society you will end up with a society that is as fair as possible.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dseisner View Post
    This post is not specifically addressed to Liberty Eagle but to all the nay-sayers about Ron Paul's presence in DC on Saturday.

    I got there at 12 PM and there were already a ton of people there. Everyone from the Answer Coalition to 9/11 Truth guys to Global Warming informers were there. Impeach.org said in an email to me that there were 100k people there but I don't know, it was definitely difficult to tell. I showed up with this homemade sign:

    1) Impeach Bush
    2) End the War
    3) Elect Ron Paul

    Why? Because this is my agenda. I'm not out here spreading RP's message just to get him elected because that won't actually do much. I believe strongly we must spread our unadulterated truth because if we don't we're just censoring ourselves just like politicians and will never affect real change. Nevertheless, my sign was VERY well received. Townhall will be Townhall, a bunch of neo-con, warmongering pricks - and nothing's going to change how they will depict Paulians. Even if 15-20 of us didn't show up, they probably would have photoshopped us in and said how crazy we were. Were the rest of those people at the rally crazies too? Should I not have showed up at all because I'm afraid somebody's going to paint me as a kool-aid drinking hippy? HELL NO. Townhall does not choose what stances I promote. I was out there to spread all worthy messages, not just the convenient ones. In fact, before we started marching, a 9/11 truth informer gave me his megaphone to alert the people about Northcom's martial law drill coming up and I was happy to do it - WITH MY RON PAUL SIGN IN HAND.

    Before we started to march, dozens of people took pictures of my sign and I encouraged it. Why? Because the more we can associate Ron Paul the Republican with Ending the War, the better. When we marched I got the opportunity to speak with many people from all walks of life. I spoke with paulites, socialists, 80 year olds to 12 year olds, government officials, truthers, Webster Tarpley (that was an interesting one), and on and on. The constant theme between these people was that most of them didn't even know who Ron Paul was!

    Liberty Eagle, I respect you A LOT and have learned a great deal from you. But how can you say that spreading the Ron Paul name to people who are so vehemently against the war, enough so that they would attend a rally, is a detrimental act just because some pundits are going to spin it? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Townhall readers are not our target market, the people at the rally WERE our target market. When we reached the capital, a RP supporter with a megaphone let me go off and we passed out hundreds of flyers in 10 minutes! You could say there was some interest...

    There were a lot of pro-war people at the rally. Mostly they were just antagonizing us. They held signs from the Bush swipe file like, "Support our troops", "Safer since 9/11", "Support our president", "Stay the course", and my favorite "Hippies smell." I was really discouraged to relearn that people like this existed. Not everyone was hostile but most were and 95% of them didn't have any coherent argument for the war, only personal attacks. One girl kept making fun of my shoes, like that was some kind of way to discredit my stances (nike flyers?). The unfortunate truth is most of these people will not change. But I had the unique opportunity to talk with mothers on the other side of the gate who either had a son in the war or dead from the war or one of both. I was ASTONISHED to learn how pro-war they were, although I understand that they do not want their sons to die or fight in vain. I did my best to inform them that they are dying and fighting in vain right now and their stubbornness to see passed the lies was not helping the cause, only putting their family in danger. If I affected change in one person's opinion on the other side of the fence (literally speaking), then I believe I did a service to our troops, the Iraqi people, and the American people.

    The biggest problem I saw with the rally was that there weren't ENOUGH Ron Paul supporters there. Even if you weren't promoting Ron Paul there, why didn't you show up? Aren't you against the war, the meaningless deaths, the out of control spending, and the threat against our liberties? Aren't you an American patriot enough to stand up to the President and insist that he cannot commit any crime he pleases and skate by? What are you really for? Are you for your own self interests that Ron Paul is supporting or are you for freedom, prosperity, and peace? Are you really going to sit by and let some people on a forum tell you not to support the things you believe in because it could potentially alienate already alienated voters? Is that how you affect REAL CHANGE?

    Those who were there in support of Ron Paul realize what an opportunity it was for us and WE MISSED IT! But I did my best and I will do the same at the next End the war/Impeach Bush rally because of the tremendous exposure I provided to our target voters. I'll do the same thing at a 9/11 truth rally or any other rally where I can find voters who might be interested in hearing an honest politician speak, even if he doesn't directly support the positions of the rally. I thank all the Ron Paul supporters who showed up, even if they didn't promote Ron Paul at the rally.

    Truth and fact supersede all. If some dude on Townhall wants to mock the thousands of people at the rally, let him. What he is saying is not truth or fact. Therefore, you shouldn't even be putting it out into space because it's irrelevant and will only further false propoganda. What is truth is that American citizens gave up their freedom by intentionally getting arrested trying to deliver a message to congressmen in a publicly owned building and thousand risked arrest in a die-in. Those are the people we should be talking about. I don't even care whether they vote for Ron Paul because we're already united in patriotism and that's the true cause here. Political elections are just a dog and pony show. No election will ever give us our freedom back. We will only get our liberties back if we TAKE them back - and that includes supporting and attending any rally that supports freedom, peace, truth, or love. Over and out.
    I agree. Our country is falling apart. Disgruntled democrats are a good group to target. 100,000 is huge. Its a shame there was not enough presence there.

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    how that didn't erupt into a full-scale riot is beyond me....I would be throwing haymakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulitician View Post
    Not me.

    It's the story that should be reported.

    (Note: I don't mean, "It's the story that should be reported instead of your report" but "It's the story that should be reported instead of the 'there were Ron Paul supporters in the crowd' stories.")
    I agree.
    "Anarchists oppose the State because it has its very being in such aggression, namely, the expropriation of private property through taxation, the coercive exclusion of other providers of defense service from its territory, and all of the other depredations and coercions that are built upon these twin foci of invasions of individual rights." -Murray Rothbard

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctb619 View Post
    how that didn't erupt into a full-scale riot is beyond me....I would be throwing haymakers
    Guys, this is just one of the fights/conflicts that broke out. It was an intense scene with people who were passionate about their views. I see this picture as being more misleading than anything if you don't provide any context for it. The guy in army gear could be anybody and the guy scowling could be doing so for a multitude of reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dseisner View Post
    Guys, this is just one of the fights/conflicts that broke out. It was an intense scene with people who were passionate about their views. I see this picture as being more misleading than anything if you don't provide any context for it. The guy in army gear could be anybody and the guy scowling could be doing so for a multitude of reasons.
    There is a story behind this that I am referring to, not just the photo in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctb619 View Post
    There is a story behind this that I am referring to, not just the photo in this thread.
    I saw it, my bad. Here's the link people http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/26864
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    Smile

    Quote Originally Posted by dseisner View Post
    What he is saying is not truth or fact. Therefore, you shouldn't even be putting it out into space because it's irrelevant and will only further false propoganda. What is truth is that American citizens gave up their freedom by intentionally getting arrested trying to deliver a message to congressmen in a publicly owned building and thousand risked arrest in a die-in. Those are the people we should be talking about. I don't even care whether they vote for Ron Paul because we're already united in patriotism and that's the true cause here. Political elections are just a dog and pony show. No election will ever give us our freedom back. We will only get our liberties back if we TAKE them back - and that includes supporting and attending any rally that supports freedom, peace, truth, or love. Over and out.
    amen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctb619 View Post
    There is a story behind this that I am referring to, not just the photo in this thread.
    Guy #1 loses son in war.
    Guy #1 creates memorial for son, and displays it at antiwar protest.
    Guy #2 yanks picture of son from memorial.
    Guy #1 goes after guy #2 to retrieve picture.
    Guy #1 takes down guy #2.
    Guys #3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 attack guy #1.

    Also known as American Eagles vs Carlos Arredondo.

    Happy ending? Guy #8 (guy named Ramesh) was able to retrieve picture for guy #1.
    You either believe that within your society more individuals are good than evil, and that by protecting the freedom of individuals within that society you will end up with a society that is as fair as possible, or you believe that within your society more individuals are evil than good, and that by limiting the freedom of individuals within that society you will end up with a society that is as fair as possible.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulitician View Post
    It's the father of a fallen soldier, being kicked by pro-war veterans.
    cowards like that deserve to have their necks broken right on the spot. These are the same mother f--kers who preach about how they "fought to defend your freedoms", yet they are always the first ones to jump on your ass as soon as you try to express that freedom. In my opinion, these guys are no better than the communists they claim to have fought against when they were in the service so many years ago, and deserve to be treated in the same way. Going to jail or getting fined for these actions is not punishment enough for people like this. They deserve nothing less than a traitors death.


    Just my opinion.


    This is why I dont show up at protests LOL. I would undoubtedly end up in prison every single time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickmike View Post
    This is why I dont show up at protests LOL. I would undoubtedly end up in prison every single time.
    Quickmike, this is not something I would have expected to hear from your mouth (even though I know you might be kidding). First, can you not control yourself? Second, the only reason I didn't voluntary get arrested on Saturday is because I'm poor as $#@! and I couldn't afford to miss my flight. Stop being a pansy and making excuses about why you CAN'T do things. Get out there and fight. They can't arrest all of us.

    On another note, we should all go the capitol and make citizens' arrests on the officers who did not allow us access to a publicly owned building to deliver a message to congressmen, which is a violation of the 1st amendment, freedom to protest. THEY are the ones who swore to uphold the constitution. THEY are the enemy combatants. THEY are the ones committing treason. Arrest THEM!
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    Great post. That's awesome you guys were able to get out there in front of so many people. Good job!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickmike View Post
    These are the same mother f--kers who preach about how they "fought to defend your freedoms", yet they are always the first ones to jump on your ass as soon as you try to express that freedom.
    "Freedom! Yeah! Freedom to think like I think! Everyone else is wrong and should be dealt with accordingly!"

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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dseisner View Post
    Quickmike, this is not something I would have expected to hear from your mouth (even though I know you might be kidding). First, can you not control yourself? Second, the only reason I didn't voluntary get arrested on Saturday is because I'm poor as $#@! and I couldn't afford to miss my flight. Stop being a pansy and making excuses about why you CAN'T do things. Get out there and fight. They can't arrest all of us.

    On another note, we should all go the capitol and make citizens' arrests on the officers who did not allow us access to a publicly owned building to deliver a message to congressmen, which is a violation of the 1st amendment, freedom to protest. THEY are the ones who swore to uphold the constitution. THEY are the enemy combatants. THEY are the ones committing treason. Arrest THEM!
    I agree, we just need more people to think this way. More and more are, but were not there yet and we don't have enough people. It is going to take about a million like minded people with a strategy. We need to protest the media, their sponsors, not just congress. These fascists (who love war, torture, and a police state) are those we will be fighting against someday. They are too stupid to know theyare fighting against America,but its not our fault they are that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blowback View Post
    Great post. That's awesome you guys were able to get out there in front of so many people. Good job!!!!!
    Thank you for the support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulitics View Post
    I agree, we just need more people to think this way. More and more are, but were not there yet and we don't have enough people. It is going to take about a million like minded people with a strategy. We need to protest the media, their sponsors, not just congress. These fascists (who love war, torture, and a police state) are those we will be fighting against someday. They are too stupid to know theyare fighting against America,but its not our fault they are that stupid.
    I am with you. I will fight for my freedom till death, just like our founding fathers. Whatever it takes, I am there. There is nothing I won't sacrifice for freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dseisner View Post
    This post is not specifically addressed to Liberty Eagle but to all the nay-sayers about Ron Paul's presence in DC on Saturday.

    I got there at 12 PM and there were already a ton of people there. Everyone from the Answer Coalition to 9/11 Truth guys to Global Warming informers were there. Impeach.org said in an email to me that there were 100k people there but I don't know, it was definitely difficult to tell. I showed up with this homemade sign:

    1) Impeach Bush
    2) End the War
    3) Elect Ron Paul

    Why? Because this is my agenda. I'm not out here spreading RP's message just to get him elected because that won't actually do much. I believe strongly we must spread our unadulterated truth because if we don't we're just censoring ourselves just like politicians and will never affect real change. Nevertheless, my sign was VERY well received. Townhall will be Townhall, a bunch of neo-con, warmongering pricks - and nothing's going to change how they will depict Paulians. Even if 15-20 of us didn't show up, they probably would have photoshopped us in and said how crazy we were. Were the rest of those people at the rally crazies too? Should I not have showed up at all because I'm afraid somebody's going to paint me as a kool-aid drinking hippy? HELL NO. Townhall does not choose what stances I promote. I was out there to spread all worthy messages, not just the convenient ones. In fact, before we started marching, a 9/11 truth informer gave me his megaphone to alert the people about Northcom's martial law drill coming up and I was happy to do it - WITH MY RON PAUL SIGN IN HAND.

    Before we started to march, dozens of people took pictures of my sign and I encouraged it. Why? Because the more we can associate Ron Paul the Republican with Ending the War, the better. When we marched I got the opportunity to speak with many people from all walks of life. I spoke with paulites, socialists, 80 year olds to 12 year olds, government officials, truthers, Webster Tarpley (that was an interesting one), and on and on. The constant theme between these people was that most of them didn't even know who Ron Paul was!

    Liberty Eagle, I respect you A LOT and have learned a great deal from you. But how can you say that spreading the Ron Paul name to people who are so vehemently against the war, enough so that they would attend a rally, is a detrimental act just because some pundits are going to spin it? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Townhall readers are not our target market, the people at the rally WERE our target market. When we reached the capital, a RP supporter with a megaphone let me go off and we passed out hundreds of flyers in 10 minutes! You could say there was some interest...

    There were a lot of pro-war people at the rally. Mostly they were just antagonizing us. They held signs from the Bush swipe file like, "Support our troops", "Safer since 9/11", "Support our president", "Stay the course", and my favorite "Hippies smell." I was really discouraged to relearn that people like this existed. Not everyone was hostile but most were and 95% of them didn't have any coherent argument for the war, only personal attacks. One girl kept making fun of my shoes, like that was some kind of way to discredit my stances (nike flyers?). The unfortunate truth is most of these people will not change. But I had the unique opportunity to talk with mothers on the other side of the gate who either had a son in the war or dead from the war or one of both. I was ASTONISHED to learn how pro-war they were, although I understand that they do not want their sons to die or fight in vain. I did my best to inform them that they are dying and fighting in vain right now and their stubbornness to see passed the lies was not helping the cause, only putting their family in danger. If I affected change in one person's opinion on the other side of the fence (literally speaking), then I believe I did a service to our troops, the Iraqi people, and the American people.

    The biggest problem I saw with the rally was that there weren't ENOUGH Ron Paul supporters there. Even if you weren't promoting Ron Paul there, why didn't you show up? Aren't you against the war, the meaningless deaths, the out of control spending, and the threat against our liberties? Aren't you an American patriot enough to stand up to the President and insist that he cannot commit any crime he pleases and skate by? What are you really for? Are you for your own self interests that Ron Paul is supporting or are you for freedom, prosperity, and peace? Are you really going to sit by and let some people on a forum tell you not to support the things you believe in because it could potentially alienate already alienated voters? Is that how you affect REAL CHANGE?

    Those who were there in support of Ron Paul realize what an opportunity it was for us and WE MISSED IT! But I did my best and I will do the same at the next End the war/Impeach Bush rally because of the tremendous exposure I provided to our target voters. I'll do the same thing at a 9/11 truth rally or any other rally where I can find voters who might be interested in hearing an honest politician speak, even if he doesn't directly support the positions of the rally. I thank all the Ron Paul supporters who showed up, even if they didn't promote Ron Paul at the rally.

    Truth and fact supersede all. If some dude on Townhall wants to mock the thousands of people at the rally, let him. What he is saying is not truth or fact. Therefore, you shouldn't even be putting it out into space because it's irrelevant and will only further false propoganda. What is truth is that American citizens gave up their freedom by intentionally getting arrested trying to deliver a message to congressmen in a publicly owned building and thousand risked arrest in a die-in. Those are the people we should be talking about. I don't even care whether they vote for Ron Paul because we're already united in patriotism and that's the true cause here. Political elections are just a dog and pony show. No election will ever give us our freedom back. We will only get our liberties back if we TAKE them back - and that includes supporting and attending any rally that supports freedom, peace, truth, or love. Over and out.
    I appreciate your support of of RP. I was one of the people that was dismayed at the association of RP with the Soviet Flag and the organizing group. What caused my emotions to get out of hand was the defence of communism by some posters. All I ask is if you see the Soviet flag crossing in front of you hide the RP sign. I can fully see the evil things our country has done but no one will ever convince me that it was all a big American conspiricy and the Soviet communists did nothing wrong. My Grandmother fled the soviet tanks in what now is the Czech Republic. She hated them with a passion but was a die hard Democrat.
    The picture of the soldiers father being attacked made me sick. I don't care what those guys did or did not do for their country, that father should be respected in his grief



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    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulitician View Post
    Not me.

    It's the story that should be reported.

    (Note: I don't mean, "It's the story that should be reported instead of your report" but "It's the story that should be reported instead of the 'there were Ron Paul supporters in the crowd' stories.")
    I read the article, but I am still dumbfounded. Why on earth would people, veterans or anyone really, attack the father of a dead soldier!? WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dseisner View Post
    Quickmike, this is not something I would have expected to hear from your mouth (even though I know you might be kidding). First, can you not control yourself? Second, the only reason I didn't voluntary get arrested on Saturday is because I'm poor as $#@! and I couldn't afford to miss my flight. Stop being a pansy and making excuses about why you CAN'T do things. Get out there and fight. They can't arrest all of us.

    On another note, we should all go the capitol and make citizens' arrests on the officers who did not allow us access to a publicly owned building to deliver a message to congressmen, which is a violation of the 1st amendment, freedom to protest. THEY are the ones who swore to uphold the constitution. THEY are the enemy combatants. THEY are the ones committing treason. Arrest THEM!
    what I meant is that I have a VERY bad temper when I see bullies taking advantage of someone. If I were there, undoubtedly I would have made a run straight at that guy and ripped his throat out. When I get mad like that, I see nothing but red and that wouldnt have solved anything. Im normaly a very passive person, but when I see someone using force on another person, my personality completely does a 180 and I can become very aggressive and out of control. Anyone that knows me can testify to this. They say "wow, mikes such a friendly, funny guy, but MAN, I never expected something like that coming from him." so its probably best for my own safety and the safety of the $#@!s who I might attack to just do what I do best, that is handing out flyers to people and talking to them about Ron Paul.


    Besides, I dont live anywhere even close to any anti-war rallies.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by richard1984 View Post
    "Freedom! Yeah! Freedom to think like I think! Everyone else is wrong and should be dealt with accordingly!"

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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by dseisner View Post
    Thank you for the support.
    No, thank you for getting out there and doing something. You probably started a wildfire of Ron Paul ideas at the event. Finding Ron Paul voters at an anti-war rally is like shooting fish in a barrel.

  33. #29
    Way to go, dseisner. You know, if Ron Paul doesn't have a problem with going on Alex Jones' show regularly, I don't think there should be an issue with you guys demonstrating at a rally like this, especially since there were so many different ideas being represented at that rally (anti-war/9-11Truth/Commie). Even if we don't personally agree with some of those ideas, those people are typically very receptive of the freedom message (except maybe the commies) and we can't spend too much time trying to convert the republican base who ultimately will not vote for Ron Paul based on his social issues like "No amendment to prohibit gay marriage" and "End the war on drugs". Let's get votes anywhere we can!

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by quickmike View Post
    what I meant is that I have a VERY bad temper when I see bullies taking advantage of someone. If I were there, undoubtedly I would have made a run straight at that guy and ripped his throat out. When I get mad like that, I see nothing but red and that wouldnt have solved anything. Im normaly a very passive person, but when I see someone using force on another person, my personality completely does a 180 and I can become very aggressive and out of control. Anyone that knows me can testify to this. They say "wow, mikes such a friendly, funny guy, but MAN, I never expected something like that coming from him." so its probably best for my own safety and the safety of the $#@!s who I might attack to just do what I do best, that is handing out flyers to people and talking to them about Ron Paul.


    Besides, I dont live anywhere even close to any anti-war rallies.
    So what you're saying is, "No, I cannot control myself." Which is fine with me.

    But your last line is a copout dude. Did you notice where I live? About as far as possible from Washington DC. If you live anywhere in the US, Washington DC is accessible to you with any effort.
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