Jesus and Freedom

[Working Poor]

Many people think freedom means you can do anything that comes to mind; to over indulge, walk where ever they want to, take or kill if they want to.

Freedom can not be found in many activity's such as the above mentioned. No it can not.

Sin rots the soul. The wages of sin is death. What is sin? Sin is missing the mark, lowering oneself. Greed and lust are two of the deadly sins and most probably the top two. Sin is about bondage and slavery. Sin causes many illnesses to manifest in the body.

A lot of people may think God does not want us to have any fun. God wants us to be free. God created us to love and worship Him. Sin is not healthy for humans yet we fight hard to have this so called privilege. When the real deal of freedom is to be without sin.

Greed, lust, vanity, gluttony, sloth, envy, and wrath lead us into bondage. These sins are deeply embedded in human life. Out of these sins emotions such as fear and shame arise. Can anyone deny that these things are bad?

Science that we respect today is the Illuminate that so many people are starting to be concerned about. Science is attempting to prove God 's law is for naught. The farther society moves away from God's law the more enslaved the inhabitants of the earth will be. Let us move more towards God' love and law.

Jesus said:You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. John 8:32.

[Original_Intent]

Many people think freedom means you can do anything that comes to mind; to over indulge, walk where ever they want to, take or kill if they want to.

Freedom is the ability to choose, not the ability to avoid consequences.

Freedom can not be found in many activity's such as the above mentioned. No it can not.

Sin rots the soul. The wages of sin is death. What is sin? Sin is missing the mark, lowering oneself. Greed and lust are two of the deadly sins and most probably the top two. Sin is about bondage and slavery. Sin causes many illnesses to manifest in the body.

I don't feel qualified to rank the deadly sins. I am doubtful that any are more common or more deadly than pride though.

A lot of people may think God does not want us to have any fun. God wants us to be free. God created us to love and worship Him. Sin is not healthy for humans yet we fight hard to have this so called privilege. When the real deal of freedom is to be without sin.

I believe God created us to have joy, but I agree with you that the only way to have joy is by following certain eternal laws. I disagree with you that freedom is to be without sin. Freedom is the ability to choose. I do agree with you that sin does enslave the sinner and results in a loss of freedome.

Greed, lust, vanity, gluttony, sloth, envy, and wrath lead us into bondage. These sins are deeply embedded in human life. Out of these sins emotions such as fear and shame arise. Can anyone deny that these things are bad?

Agreed

Science that we respect today is the Illuminate that so many people are starting to be concerned about. Science is attempting to prove God 's law is for naught. The farther society moves away from God's law the more enslaved the inhabitants of the earth will be. Let us move more towards God' love and law.

I disagree that science = the illuminati. Sounds like someone saw Angels and Demons. Religions and Science should not be at odds, true relgion should embrace true science. Some truths can only be recalld spiritually. The big danger is when relgion masquerades as science and vice versa.

For example, the church rejecting Copernican theories because it did not match what was in the bible - that is relgion trying to take on the role of science.

Global warming is an example of science that is more of a religion than true science - they highlight any data that support their theories and discard or ridicule any evidence that does not agree with their theory (or their agenda) True science should be a search for the actual truth, not looking for evidence to support the way you want things to be.

Jesus said:You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. John 8:32.

[Mosheh Thezion]

Obedience to God, has nothing to do with freedom.

Freedom... has everything to do with not having to be obedient to other men.

And that freedom, as the intent of the founding fathers, is based on the common law concept of a sovereign people.

Where we are all kings and queens.. with no sovereign above us.

But... we must act.... as kings and queens, and not attack each other, or attack each others property, because that leads to war.

This lead the concepts of gentlemen and ladies... and being just that.

Sadly.. with the lose of freedom since 1933.... the people have lost the impulse to be gentlemen and ladies... and have become thugs and whores.... NOT ALL... but far to many just dont care anymore.

-MEMAT

[BeFranklin]

Where we are all kings and queens.. with no sovereign above us.

Common law is based right from the bible here, with the american continental army singing that they would "have no king but God" (independence song by william billings).

We are kings only as God has made kings and priests to him, who is also called King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Also one of the first supreme court justices and one of the signers of the declaration of independence wrote a book on law tracing property rights all the way back to Genesis in the bible and God, who gave man to be stewards on the earth.

[BeFranklin]

America's Independence Anthem

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

William Billings was one of the most well known and regarded hymn writers and music composers around the time of the American Revolution. He edited the first “New England Psalm Singer (1770), which was engraved by Paul Revere. William Billings is especially known for his hymns which were song by the American army, including “Chester”, a battle hymn, and the “Independence Anthem”, America’s first anthem which was also sung as a dedication at the closing of the war. That last song is probably, in regard to the previous discussion, one of the things that spread the “No King But God” most from lip to lip and battalion to battalion, (literally).

http://books.google.com/books?id=N7I...YPES#PPA594,M1
Lippincott's Magazine
See also:
http://books.google.com/books?id=0ni...esult#PPA58,M1
George Washington Day by Day By Elizabeth Bryant Johnston

"As the anthem has never been placed within reach of the general public (1882), I reproduce it here entire.
The reader may imagine it as being sung by a choir, the whole army joining in the chorus :"

The States, O Lord! with songs of praise
Shall in thy strength rejoice,
And, blest with thy salvation, raise
To heaven their cheerful voice.

Chorus.

To the King they shall sing, Halleluiah!

Thy goodness and thy tender care
Have all our foes destroyed.
A cov'nant of peace Ihou mad'st with us,
Confirmed by thy word.
A covenant thou mad'st with us,
And sealed it with thy blood.

To the King they shall sing. Halleluiah !

And all the continent shall sing,
"Down with this earthly king.
No king but God."

To the King they shall sing, Halleluiah !

And the continent shall sing,
"God is our rightful King. Halleluiah !"
And the continent shall sing,
" God is our gracious King. Halleluiah !"
May his blessings descend,
World without end,
On every part of the continent.
May harmony and peace
Begin and never cease,
And may the strength increase
Of the continent.
May American wilds
Be filled with his smiles,
And may the nations bow
To our royal King.
May Rome, France, and Spain,
And all the world, proclaim
The glory and the fame
Of our royal King.

God is the King. Amen.
The Lord is his name. Amen.
Loud, loudly sing
That God is the King.
May his reign be glorious,
America victorious,
And may the earth acknowledge
God is the King.
Amen. Amen. Amen.

[BeFranklin]

FYI - the first person that marked the thread a zero rating - and its a thread in Christian outreach. Your bigotry is showing.

[Working Poor]

This is not meant to be an offense to anyone I put it here because this is the "Christian Outreach" forum. Jesus offended people and the cross is offensive. I do need to face the reality that is is offensive for most people to hear Jesus's message. It is alot like how what Ron Paul says offends the Federal Reserve and the Government.


I hope all of you know that Ron Paul is a Christian. I believe the Lord has taught him about freedom. Those who are not Christian need not try and dispute what you do not wish to accept or cannot understand.

Christians are waking up. Many of them have gotten too comfortable. I personally believe Ron Paul's message of freedom is appropriate for Christians and Jesus message of freedom is also appropriate here.

If you feel offended that is between you and God. If you agree with Ron Paul's message of freedom perhaps it would serve you well to understand the principals Ron stands on.

I am sure Ron Paul knows the wages of sin is death. He is a physician and knows more about life and death than many people. Ron Paul is a Christian.

[Icymudpuppy]

Jesus said:You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. John 8:32.

__________________
Siddhartha said: "Believe nothing no matter who said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

[Mosheh Thezion]

Common law is based right from the bible here, with the american continental army singing that they would "have no king but God" (independence song by william billings).

We are kings only as God has made kings and priests to him, who is also called King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Also one of the first supreme court justices and one of the signers of the declaration of independence wrote a book on law tracing property rights all the way back to Genesis in the bible and God, who gave man to be stewards on the earth.

AND...??? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.

JESUS... is cool by me.

The issue of sovereign freedom, has to do with the people who founded this country wanted to be free of the tyranny of the kings of europe.

and the only way to insure this, was the common law, designating the people as sovereigns themselves.. so that no king could be established above them.

but.. in 1933.. they took that away... and the wealthy of earth have taken it away, by making the federal government the one sovereign and we... the people its subjects once again.

It is wrong.

the super rich, once again, have control, by owning the federal reserve, and controlling our government which is no longer constitutional, and so, we.. the people have lost the protection of the constitution, and they forced on us the debt slavery which the founding fathers tried so hard to aviod.

the constitution must be restored, and the sovereignty of the people restored, and the FEderal government.. must be put in its place as the servant of the people, and not the other way around.

freedom can be restored, if we care enough about getting it back.

-MEMAT

[LibertyEagle]

Please stay on-topic per the thread's intent. All others will be deleted, per forum guidelines.

Thanks.