Your Opinion / View on Climate Change ?
Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on this subject.
Everyone's thoughts are pretty much irrelevant if they aren't climatologists.
That being said, my irrelevant thought is that it's mostly alarmism and propaganda, and everyone will be just fine.
It may be changing, but man has little to do with it. Any change in man's behavior will not affect the climate in the macro sense.
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Climate has always changed. Sure we could take care of the Earth out of respect, but the Earth doesn't need us to stay well, and it doesn't need us to die.
Taking a look back into history, I would say that "climate change" is something quite natural that has nothing to do with us.
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I worked in the CYQG weather office for 2 years, and know several professionals in the weather field in Canada.
I don't claim to have an opinion that's worth any more than the avg joe, but i worked with many people who did. I had a Climatologist teacher, when i was in training for the job, and he flatout hated Al Gore as soon as Inconvenient Truth came out, which actually happened while i was training.
There was a huge debate in the schools weather department. Many people thought it was legit info, and many people thought it was bull$#@!.
I've talked to northern ice observers that actually claim there is a build up of Ice in the last decade, in the Canadian northwest territories.
One thing i know for sure is, Al Gore is a liar and a propagandist. That doesn't debunk the Global Warming issue, but i hope it makes a lot of people reconsider it.
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Total BS.
Man made global warming is PURE propaganda to usher in a carbon tax. The sun is the main engine that drives the planet's climate cycles - and no amount of taxes will ever change that.
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I think there is no black and white, only shades of gray. Earth changes through time w/o us. But i tink we are also having an affect on the Earth.
No matter what, why wouldn't we want a cleaner planet with more species than less?
Only if said species are edible and tasty!(one of the few things I've ever agreed with Rush on-if you want to preserve a species, find a way to eat it!
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In the 70's, they feared the coming Ice Age.
In 2000, it was Global Warming.
Now, as parts of the earth get colder and others get warmer, it is Climate Change.
Neither a carbon tax nor cap and trade will solve anything.
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Is the global climate changing? Yes.
Does it occur naturally? Yes.
Can man's activities contribute to these changes? Small (local) scale, I think so. Globally? I am not sure.
Can we do anything significant about it? Not likely. As things change, we will have to learn to adapt.
That said, I am certainly not opposed to doing things which mean we do less damage to the planet and use fewer resources and polute the air and water less. Carbon trading and carbon taxes will not do much for the environment- they will only help those making money off them. I try to live "green" but don't go nuts about it. Being greener saves me money. I walk or ride a bike instead of driving a car for example. That saves me thousands a year on gas, car payments, and insurance as well as helping keep me in better health which means lower health care costs.
Completely due to variations in solar energy from the sun.
It is intuitively obvious that the warming of the globe is correlated and therefore caused by the rise in US mail postage:
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Climate Change/ Global Warming is just another substitute for WAR that was justified and predicted in the REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN.
I believe the earth is going to warm. Bible says the sun will be a problem. I have watched some documentaries. In a carbon dioxide filled green house the plants grow better. The idea that humans are causing climate change is to me virtually hogwash. I think cutting down 10 trees is probably far more damaging than 100 more cars on the road. Note: I don't support government intervention to plant more trees. I just like trees.
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If the bible implies that global warming is heliocentric then it is beyond the control of mere man and therefore part of God's will that global warming is benefiting the chloroplast-rich lifeforms among us. We should go about our business and rest assured.
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It's good that people are becoming more aware of the consequences their actions might have, but it's only going to be used to give more power to the Government.
I agree, we need to start dumping more nuclear waste so we can have more mutations eventually some of those mutations will develop into new species.
OK, seriously now.
I think we all are for a cleaner earth. But it seems like the vast majority on these forums (and I agree with them) believe that man-caused global warming is a complete lie used to exert control over us. I mean the same people that are screaming global warming now were screaming new Ice Age in the 70s. How things change in 35 years!
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Those are my thoughts as well.
No one has proven a causal relationship between carbon dioxide and global cooling..... err i mean warming... errr i mean climate change
Fraud, aimed at the eventual goal of having us pay taxes to consume energy.
The Sun is pretty hot.
I think that the CO2 that man is putting into the atmosphere is affecting the climate, albeit to a very minuscule degree. The amount of radiation retained by the CO2 that man put into the atmosphere is not enough to drastically alter the global climate. Any natural changes will swamp out the minor changes caused by man. There will not be some mass extinction by 2050 and the world will not end.
BUT. We do need to cut down on CO2 production because eventually it actually will get out of hand. If the concentration of CO2 gets really high, like 1% or something, then we've got to start worrying. So changing to alternative energy sources in imperative.
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I agree, we may only have a small effect, but we try really hard!
I wonder what effect the mass destruction of rain forests and forests in general has? They (used to) create oxygen and consume CO2...
I'm more worried about chemtrails then global warming or cooling. I don't think anything bad of driving fuel efficient cars, reducing harmful emissions(not CO2), recycling. I have a problem when they force you to leave a smaller carbon footprint.
It's over hyped propaganda. The facts are sketchy at best. People who sell these green friendly items are making a huge profit! I want to get a canvas shopping bag cause I'm sick of all these plastic ones I have to take home. I recycle cause they tax me 5 cents per bottle when I buy my beer or soda. I will continue to park in "hybrid only parking" until they make a law against it. I use a more fuel efficient vehicle sometimes to save money...even though the loss of power sucks!
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BTW, fewer sunspots were noted 4Q08 and 1Q09 = cooler weather is on the way...
Remember when the ozone layer was about to bake us all? I can recall as a kid thinking about sunscreen being needed on a daily basis because this is what the media was having us believe. Same scare tactic, new package.
The sun is pretty hot.
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