Illegal Immigration - How to respond?

[zshallr]

This is from my brother in law and I would like to hear how you would respond.

My Question is “How does he plan to handle the 12-20 million illegal immigrants currently within our borders?” This is the questions from my original email “What does Ron Paul suggest we do with the 12-20 million illegal immigrants?” Is that not specific enough?

Secure the border does nothing to 12-20 million illegal immigrants within our border. The birth right citizenship would affect the children of those 12-20 million illegal immigrants. But is doesn’t not answer my specific question. I am dumbfounded that you are not sure on what I am asking…. What to do with the current 12-20 million illegal immigrants currently within the borders.

The closest answer I found was from the last email you just sent me:

Second, enforce visa rules on those already in the country. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport individuals who overstay their visas or otherwise violate U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that some of the 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

This means that his plan is to deport 12-20 million people. If you are talking about less government, this would take a lot of government to take on the task. Even if you hired a private firm to deport the 12-20 million people it would put us in more debt. Notwithstanding, this would be a nearly impossible task.

The bill in congress does address the issue of what to do with the 12-20 million illegal immigrants. What does Ron Paul suggest, if it is not the entire deportation of illegal immigrants?

[lucky]

I have heard this before and I suggest we do nothing. They will not get citizenship unless they go back and apply legally. We can not round up this many and ship them out. If they get arrested at any time for anything then we call immigration and they HAVE to come get them and start deportation proceedings.

An illegal can never get citizenship as he is a criminal. We start disallowing them to get free schooling and any other freebie that is meant for Citizens.

Get rid of Birthright citizenship as soon as possible. Citizens can begat citizens.

We increase the immigration officers and start right away going after any and all employers of illegals. I say we have task forces in different parts of the country and strike at them now and gain to keep them off balance. Hit some large employers and some smaller ones.Z

To dao that we have to be sure they have the means to verify the documents that are presented. Right now it takes 6 months or more to get verification and by then many are gone to the next employer. Get a system up that takes days to verify the documents.

No work or benefits and they will go back. If not then we find out why and adjust our attacks. (This is an invasion after all). Keep the pressure on and never let up.

Next we tell Mexico to get it's shit together and stop being so corrupt and take care of their own. We then start a sensible visa program if needed.

[lucky]

Most have never heard of this and it has been a pet peeve of mine. I have tried all the Conservative talk hosts and even tried Ron Paul at one time and that is when he sent me (Staffer I am sure) a message saying his birtright issue.

It is called CHAIN MIGRATION. Please do a search as it is important and will show why we will be idiots to give any amnesty.

Chain Migration is the means that when someone becomes legal he is allowed to start sponsoring others to come here that become legal eventually. Historically it is about 4.5 for every new legal that comes here.

When Reagan gave the last amnesty and within ten years it was the same. Those 2-3 million soon became 10 million as they sponsored their family and friends. It even became an industry as some charged others to sponsor them.

As any can see if even the low figure of 10 million is used that withing 1o years or soon after we will have 50 million here.

I feel this country is large enough to absorb 10 and maybe even 15 million but can we absorb 50 plus million?

[ChooseLiberty]

The US has been in Iraq for four years spent nearly a Trillion dollars and will probably have lost over 4000 American lives by the end of this year.

Think about getting out of Iraq and focusing those resources on protecting the US from invasion and deporting illegals. Think it could be done?

Ron Paul -

First, physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must have control over who enters our country before we even begin to consider complicated immigration reform proposals.

Second, enforce visa rules on those already in the country. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport individuals who overstay their visas or otherwise violate U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that some of the 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

Third, reject amnesty. If we reward lawbreakers who enter this country illegally with citizenship, then any new laws Congress might pass likewise can be ignored. Reform must begin with a new mentality that immigration laws will be enforced.

Fourth, end welfare-state incentives for illegals. Americans are quick to welcome immigrants who simply wish to work hard and make a better life for themselves. But taxpayers cannot continue to pay when illegal immigrants use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

Fifth, end birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the perverse incentive to sneak into this country remains strong. Citizenship involves more than the mere location of one’s birth.

Finally, completely overhaul the legal immigration process. The current system is incoherent and unfair. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

I haven't read all his immigration articles yet but here are quite a few to get busy on -

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=5

I imagine that once the free social services are cut off, visa rules enforced against employers and employees and birthright citizenship ended there will be a general movement back over the borders.

[ChooseLiberty]

Guess what. There are families in Mexico that have been abandoned and now want the USA to ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS. LOL

http://www.artcamp.com.mx/venga/

[lucky]

WE have to get this man elected somehow. He understands it seems.

[lucky]

Guess what. There are families in Mexico that have been abandoned and now want the USA to ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS. LOL

http://www.artcamp.com.mx/venga/

It just reminded me that I read an article in Texas monthly about that part of Mexico and they were showing the jewelry and stuff and I was thinking how beautiful it was there. It was a great article.

Can Capitalism save Mexico?

[Shmuel Spade]

I feel this country is large enough to absorb 10 and maybe even 15 million but can we absorb 50 plus million?

Absolutely. We could even feasibly absorb the entire population of Earth right here in the CONUS. If government intervention in the economy is eliminated then they'll have to support themselves. The only way they can do this is by dealing with the natives who already possess the wealth. To do this they must learn the language, be productive, and not be criminals.

If they fail to learn the language they'll

•1) not find work from the natives.

or

•2) have to work for some immigrant who works for a native (just degrees of separation).

If they fail to be productive they'll

•1) not be hired by the natives.

or

•2) have to settle for low or no incomes.

If they fail to refrain from criminality they'll

•1) be arrested and not be hired by the natives.

or

•2) be deported or killed.

[ronpaulitician]

A sovereign nation has the right to control who comes into the country.

The first thing we must do is secure our borders, in order to stop the problem from escalating.

The second thing we must do is remove some of the incentives people have to come here:
Get rid of the "anchor baby" clause.
Get rid of the welfare state (not just for illegals, but also for US citizens and permanent residents).
Deregulate the marketplace (lowering the overhead, so that "illegal" aliens no longer have a financial advantage over "legal" residents and citizens).

The goal should be to create a situation where we allow anyone without a criminal record to enter our country, but where all foreigners know that they must have the skills and knowledge to be able to find employment in the United States. If they can't make it, they may have to go back home, because there will be no such thing as a free lunch in the US.

I cannot blame people living in Central and South America for wanting to come here. I don't believe illegal aliens should require permits in order to work any more than I believe legal residents and citizens should require permits to work.

Did they commit a crime by entering the country illegally? Certainly, but I put them in the same group of "criminals" as people who smoke pot. They may have violated the law of the land, but they certainly did not violate the rights of any individuals. I see no reason to deport them, as long as they have not committed any violent crimes.

I do believe that anyone having entered the country illegally must be taken to the very back of the line if they want to become citizens, no matter how many years they've been here.

[Minuteman2008]

Now RP is firing shots at Rudy's weaknesses on immigration! It's about time!

Ron Paul Campaign Questions Giuliani Immigration Record


Monroe, Ga. 6/1/2007 6:55 PM GMT (FINDITT)
Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has called into question the immigration record of former New York City mayor and current Republican presidential frontrunner Rudy Giuliani.

Paul’s campaign claims that Giuliani’s stance on immigration is out of touch with the American people. Noting that Giuliani filed a lawsuit while he was mayor to prevent city officials from arresting illegal immigrants, Paul’s campaign said “Rudy Giuliani is more like Ted Kennedy than Main Street America.”

Campaign chairman Kent Snyder was quoted as saying “When you compare Rudy Giuliani’s immigration record as a mayor to Congressman Ron Paul’s record as a member of the U.S. House of Representatives for 10 terms, the difference is clear.”

In contrast to Giuliani’s appeal for benefits, Social Security and medical care for illegal aliens Paul has adamantly defended his stance against illegal immigration. Congressman Ron Paul is vehemently against amnesty and has introduced legislation that would end birthright citizenship.

Paul and Giuliani highlighted the May 15 debate in South Carolina when the two exchanged barbs over foreign policy and the U.S. involvement in Iraq. Since that debate Paul has seen his campaign contributions nearly double and has become one of the most sought after presidential candidates for media events and interviews

www.finditt.com

I hope RP or Tancredo can get the message out that Giuliani and McCain absolutely STINK on immigration. This is now THE hot topic on talk radio, and the peons are angry! RP needs to strike while the iron is hot!