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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by tkubic46 View Post
    I guess the harcore are still around, but the casual people splintered off after the primary. We need to continue what we are doing, build an infastructure, create coalitions and alliances, and have another go in 2012!!!!
    Well, there's plenty of hardcore that aren't here too. I'm hoping they come back at some point when there's really some things that we are actively doing.
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    I had been following the writings and speeches of Ron Paul for years, gave out dozens of copies of his House Special Orders "Neo-Conned" speech, being one of his best, imo.

    When we met up with him at Strafford Co. NH GOP straw poll in July IRC, (which he won in a landslide) Mrs. AF and I decided to jump into "politics" one more time, renouncing our "political" agnosticism.

    It was not too long after that I joined up here.

    The heated debate over the choice of 5 November for the first big "money bomb" (which I, and many others, thought was a great idea, much to consternation of panty wetters and hanky wringers) was a big moment and the success of it was an even greater thrill.

    The efforts made to make the 16th an even bigger success was the high point for me.

    My cynicism toward the system returned, in full full force, after the NH results and even more so after witnessing, firsthand, some of the "chicanery" surrounding the recount.



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  5. #33
    I loved this forum early on. I actually think people were more tolerant when the forum had such a huge number of visitors on a regular basis. I can't say I have a whole lot in common with a lot of the regular posters here, but in the early days before the Iowa caucus it didn't matter. It was a big tent and there was room for all kinds of conservatives, even "truthers" and paleoconservatives. I don't see so many of those around here anymore, but maybe someday the vibe will be back. It was more like the wild west early on where now I think the rigid ideologues more or less set the tone.

    But maybe things will start to pick up by the next elections. It should be time for conservative Republicans to start making a comeback, but I'm tired of being letdown so I'm not getting my hopes up too much.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I had been following the writings and speeches of Ron Paul for years, gave out dozens of copies of his House Special Orders "Neo-Conned" speech, being one of his best, imo.

    When we met up with him at Strafford Co. NH GOP straw poll in July IRC, (which he won in a landslide) Mrs. AF and I decided to jump into "politics" one more time, renouncing our "political" agnosticism.

    It was not too long after that I joined up here.

    The heated debate over the choice of 5 November for the first big "money bomb" (which I, and many others, thought was a great idea, much to consternation of panty wetters and hanky wringers) was a big moment and the success of it was an even greater thrill.

    The efforts made to make the 16th an even bigger success was the high point for me.

    My cynicism toward the system returned, in full full force, after the NH results and even more so after witnessing, firsthand, some of the "chicanery" surrounding the recount.
    Vintage AF

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    Well, let’s see, first the earth cooled. Then the dinosaurs came, but they all got to big and fat. So they all died. And they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benz’s...

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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I had been following the writings and speeches of Ron Paul for years, gave out dozens of copies of his House Special Orders "Neo-Conned" speech, being one of his best, imo.

    When we met up with him at Strafford Co. NH GOP straw poll in July IRC, (which he won in a landslide) Mrs. AF and I decided to jump into "politics" one more time, renouncing our "political" agnosticism.

    It was not too long after that I joined up here.

    The heated debate over the choice of 5 November for the first big "money bomb" (which I, and many others, thought was a great idea, much to consternation of panty wetters and hanky wringers) was a big moment and the success of it was an even greater thrill.

    The efforts made to make the 16th an even bigger success was the high point for me.

    My cynicism toward the system returned, in full full force, after the NH results and even more so after witnessing, firsthand, some of the "chicanery" surrounding the recount.
    Suffice to say, sadly, almost ten years after writing that, my cynicism has not abated.

  10. #38
    What do RPF veterans think now, 10 years later?
    Waiting for the day the classical liberals drive the hateful alt-right out of the republican party, and the libertarians can rise again.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    What do RPF veterans think now, 10 years later?
    My thinking has not changed much about things in general, but I found out Ron was very wrong about a critical and vital idea that his whole candidacy and this movement based itself on.

    Freedom is NOT popular.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    My thinking has not changed much about things in general, but I found out Ron was very wrong about a critical and vital idea that his whole candidacy and this movement based itself on.

    Freedom is NOT popular.
    Too true.

    But Ron Paul often talked about something else: The Remnant. Originally a concept discussed by Albert Jay Nock, it refers to the small group of people who keep the spark of the ideas Liberty and human progress alive. This is the only thing that gives me hope in the current environment. I never would have dreamed 10 years ago about the bitter divisions and the evil embrace of authoritarianism that have come about.


    From an essay by Lew Rockwell from 2012:


    ...Once in a while we hear Ron Paul speak of the Remnant — how he's been trying to find it, speak to it, build it up. What does he mean by it?

    He's referring to "Isaiah's Job," a famous essay by Albert Jay Nock. In that essay, Nock borrowed the example of the prophet Isaiah to describe the task of the honest man in public life. (I think the example of Elijah is a bit closer to what Nock had in mind, but that's not the point.)
    Listen as Nock adapts the Lord's instructions to Isaiah into a modern vernacular:

    “Tell them what is wrong, and why and what is going to happen unless they have a change of heart and straighten up. Don’t mince matters. Make it clear that they are positively down to their last chance. Give it to them good and strong and keep on giving it to them. I suppose perhaps I ought to tell you,” He added, “that it won’t do any good. The official class and their intelligentsia will turn up their noses at you and the masses will not even listen. They will all keep on in their own ways until they carry everything down to destruction, and you will probably be lucky if you get out with your life.”

    Isaiah had not been reluctant to take on his divinely appointed task, but when it was put to him like that, it seemed like a fruitless task indeed. What was the point of embarking on a mission that was doomed to failure?

    “Ah,” the Lord said, “you do not get the point. There is a Remnant there that you know nothing about. They are obscure, unorganized, inarticulate, each one rubbing along as best he can. They need to be encouraged and braced up because when everything has gone completely to the dogs, they are the ones who will come back and build up a new society; and meanwhile, your preaching will reassure them and keep them hanging on. Your job is to take care of the Remnant, so be off now and set about it.”

    And that's what Dr. Paul has been doing. He's been looking for this heretofore invisible Remnant, giving them comfort, making them aware of themselves, providing them a rallying point. Selling out for the sake of mainstream respectability would defeat his purpose entirely. Those approaches repel the Remnant, Nock said. On the other hand, the truth teller who appeals to the Remnant will find them...
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/06/...on-pauls-task/
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  14. #41
    individual growth > group "wins" was the vibe and encouraged

    Member of the 2007 walk away movement, after the Ron vs Rudy "I was there on 9-11" Giuliani & msm tag team debate moment.

    Not much for walk aways 10 years on. (that I can tell)
    And these days, a Giuliani appointment is excused as a 47d chess move.


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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    My thinking has not changed much about things in general, but I found out Ron was very wrong about a critical and vital idea that his whole candidacy and this movement based itself on.

    Freedom is NOT popular.
    The people have been led away from freedom, they can be led back to it but we need to understand how to lead them in order to do so, Trump is a good but not quite perfect template.
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  16. #43
    I am thinking that freedom is not as popular as the Good Dr. and I had hoped , but I will continue to exercise mine and lead by example .
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    My thinking has not changed much about things in general, but I found out Ron was very wrong about a critical and vital idea that his whole candidacy and this movement based itself on.

    Freedom is NOT popular.
    Bingo. Give the man a cigar.
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post
    Too true.

    But Ron Paul often talked about something else: The Remnant. Originally a concept discussed by Albert Jay Nock, it refers to the small group of people who keep the spark of the ideas Liberty and human progress alive. This is the only thing that gives me hope in the current environment. I never would have dreamed 10 years ago about the bitter divisions and the evil embrace of authoritarianism that have come about.


    From an essay by Lew Rockwell from 2012:



    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/06/...on-pauls-task/

    We are the remnant.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    We are the remnant.
    Humans are fickle things.

    I think Ron Paul was right. Freedom was popular... however seeing that logic and reason often give way to charlatans selling fear and emotion... when Ron Paul was kicked to the wayside, many let their emotions turn to anger, and Trump was swept into office.

    I still hold that Tytler's Cycle of Democracies holds true. There isn't much this country can do to avoid the pain that's coming. Ron Paul could've post-poned things a little, Trump may do the same. In the end I think it will result in positive change. We will have some serious hard times ahead, but humans have always met the challenge. Let us hope we are still able to do so. What this country needs is more strong hard men, and you know what they say... hard times create strong men. We can be thankful, in a way, for the coming hard times.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Humans are fickle things.

    I think Ron Paul was right. Freedom was popular... however seeing that logic and reason often give way to charlatans selling fear and emotion... when Ron Paul was kicked to the wayside, many let their emotions turn to anger, and Trump was swept into office.

    I still hold that Tytler's Cycle of Democracies holds true. There isn't much this country can do to avoid the pain that's coming. Ron Paul could've post-poned things a little, Trump may do the same. In the end I think it will result in positive change. We will have some serious hard times ahead, but humans have always met the challenge. Let us hope we are still able to do so. What this country needs is more strong hard men, and you know what they say... hard times create strong men. We can be thankful, in a way, for the coming hard times.
    As things stand at the moment, there will be no correction without bloodshed, possibly lots of it. The "left" shows no inclination to reason, respect, and backing off from their march of incursion into the territories of free men, but only to raw emotion, bitter envy, hate, and increasing the pace of advance. That leaves those upon whom they seek to trample with a choice: lay down or fight. I for one have no intentions of laying down.

    Tytler's cycle needs to be amended to include "kill the bastards".
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    We are the remnant.
    Some of us. Others have been co-opted by Authoritarians.
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    “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”


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  24. #50
    One of the coolest things was the true diversity of thought and that we could all get along and get behind the Ron Paul movement. I mean, we had pro choicers working side by side with pro-lifers, strictly religious tee-totalers being friends with people who had ingested or injected God knows what into their bodies. I mean there was some jostling around and some discussions, but the bottom line was we were all committed to something, and we knew it was bigger than our differences.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Original_Intent View Post
    One of the coolest things was the true diversity of thought and that we could all get along and get behind the Ron Paul movement. I mean, we had pro choicers working side by side with pro-lifers, strictly religious tee-totalers being friends with people who had ingested or injected God knows what into their bodies. I mean there was some jostling around and some discussions, but the bottom line was we were all committed to something, and we knew it was bigger than our differences.
    That was refreshing.

    It breaks my heart to see some of those same people now marching in the streets calling for, what amounts to, my extermination.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That was refreshing.

    It breaks my heart to see some of those same people now marching in the streets calling for, what amounts to, my extermination.

    And for my part, it breaks MY heart to see at least one of "those same people," on this very board, calling for me and people like me to be thrown from helicopters. Can't make an omelette ... I guess.

    ETA: The person in question deliberately mislabels anyone who disagrees with him, particularly on immigration, as a communist and frequently opines that here in the US communists should be thrown from helicopters. Very few ever call him out on it. Just sayin.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    And for my part, it breaks MY heart to see at least one of "those same people," on this very board, calling for me and people like me to be thrown from helicopters. Can't make an omelette ... I guess.

    ETA: The person in question deliberately mislabels anyone who disagrees with him, particularly on immigration, as a communist and frequently opines that here in the US communists should be thrown from helicopters. Very few ever call him out on it. Just sayin.
    In spite of a few heated remarks thrown my way, I haven't had that happen to me here.

    I'm thinking the "Occupy" crowd, that some of tried to reach out to.

    I've corrected both sides on this.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    In spite of a few heated remarks thrown my way, I haven't had that happen to me here.

    I'm thinking the "Occupy" crowd, that some of tried to reach out to.

    I've corrected both sides on this.

    Was more using your comment as a springboard than actually directing my comments at you. But it's obvious to me that all sides have their insane, bloodthirsty assclowns and failing to hold those on one's own side accountable for that kind of idiocy amounts to, or at least appears to be, tacit approval. I haven't seen you call the moron in question out on this, but I have no difficulty believing that you would if you saw him doing it.
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    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    And for my part, it breaks MY heart to see at least one of "those same people," on this very board, calling for me and people like me to be thrown from helicopters. Can't make an omelette ... I guess.

    ETA: The person in question deliberately mislabels anyone who disagrees with him, particularly on immigration, as a communist and frequently opines that here in the US communists should be thrown from helicopters. Very few ever call him out on it. Just sayin.
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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post

    ROTFL!

    I'd +rep you if I could.
    Chris

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    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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