Just finished reading it today. Made me feel very sad and depressed. Orwell suggested this type of government as a possibility. Do you think it will eventually come and when do you think? Or we could just discuss the book in general.
I don't think of it as as much of a possibility.
With the internet, knowing who are at war with, and different countries doing different things it makes
it harder to occur.
How much of the book is the same as the movie?
It is certainly looking that way. Unless the real patriots and defenders of this country step their game up and do SOMETHING bout the way things are going, then I can definitely see it happening within 100 years or less even. The sad thing is that alot americans seem to agree with this type of fascist government as if they are brainwashed or something, it is like they are completely oblivious to the ideals that this entire country was founded upon.
I mean I see $#@! that reinforces that opinion every day. Just today some older lady, normal mom who you would think could be a great American, she said "Those Iraqi's should be proud to die for our American flag and what we stand for!" ... erm... riiiight...
I was mesmerised by that book when I first read it, and I still regularly write essays about it.
If you liked it, I suggest reading "Brave New World" as well. If you combine certain elements from both books, you can paint a pretty clear picture for a possible future.
Both books look at possible outcomes of society and take them to the most extreme levels they can. There's a good chance that things will never be as bad as the books, but as my teacher once told me, "Sometimes you have to describe something in the most extreme way to drive the message home."
It's already here in many ways.
Certainly we have doublethink, and newspeak is being phased in.
Just think: "The Patriot Act"
We have perpetual war against an undefined target that routinely changes. Fighting "terrorism", and the battlefield changes between Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
We fight for peace.
We have our two minutes of hate against Osama Bin Laden.
We have a big brother (Obama, Bush, etc) that is really just a puppet for the inner party (bankers).
We have MO police releasing documents saying that political affiliation is reason to detain somebody (thoughtcrime)
etc etc etc
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This.Originally Posted by brandonyates
Here's an idea for ye American folk.
George Orwell's '1984' was published in 8 June 1949. So this June the book will be celebrating it's 60 anniversary.
Now why don't ye get together and launch a campaign to ensure each and every single member of congress gets a copy of this book? If ye set up a fund ye'll raise the money in no time. Ye have three months to pull it off. Go for it.
It would make great publicity for the libertarian cause.
Fuzzy wuzzy was a woman.
Animal Farm is on my list. I can't believe i never read it. I loved 1984.
"I'm not just trying to win or get elected. I am trying to change the course of history" - Ron Paul
+1984
"War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength"
Orwell only missed one ... Debt is Wealth.
Courage ~ Strength ~ Integrity
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"I am surprised at the suddenness, as well as the greatness of this revolution. Is not the change we have seen astonishing? What man, two years ago, would have thought it possible?"
- John Adams, July 3, 1776
That's sweet!
We're pretty close to having cameras on every corner, and at least a screen in every room of our living areas.
Animal Farm is great.
Very good
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK
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"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon
“It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.” - Voltaire.
Once you see that the government is promoting - no, enforcing - the idea that Debt is Wealth, the rest falls quickly into place.Very good
Courage ~ Strength ~ Integrity
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"I am surprised at the suddenness, as well as the greatness of this revolution. Is not the change we have seen astonishing? What man, two years ago, would have thought it possible?"
- John Adams, July 3, 1776
I'm sorry.
I made the mistake that we are at war with communism.
We are really at war with terrorism.
This ignores that fact that you can't be at war with a method.
"two legs bad, four legs good... bahhh bahhh"
TMike
“No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.”
― Samuel Adams
"We shall get nowhere until we start by recognizing that political behavior is largely non-rational, that the world is suffering from some kind of mental disease which must be diagnosed before it can be cured. " -- George Orwell
http://us.penguingroup.com/static/pdf/teachersguides/animalfarm.pdf+1Read it when I was 13. Methinks I should read it again!
You are right!
Osama is Goldstein.
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
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"Masterful and arrogant wealth, created largely by Government protection of its profits, not content with its domination and influence within a single party, had sought to corrupt them both, and to that end had insinuated itself into the primaries, in order that no candidates might be nominated whose views were not in accord with theirs." (‘Colonel’ Edward Mandell House in 'Philip Dru: Administrator', circa 1912)
I've not read any posts here because they may give the ending away.
I am currently 3/4 of the way through this book. This book is awesome! A must read for sure.
70th anniversary this year.
Time sure does fly.
"It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate
We have far surpassed 1984, and our brainwashing is as political as they can make it. Death en masse is sure to follow, so be afraid, be very afraid.
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
“It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan
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