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    Default Utilitarian Defenses of Intellectual Property

    From http://mises.org/books/against.pdf by Stephan Kinsella:


    Utilitarian Defenses of IP
    Advocates of IP often justify it on utilitarian grounds.
    Utilitarians hold that the “end” of encouraging more innovation
    and creativity justifies the seemingly immoral
    “means” of restricting the freedom of individuals to use
    their physical property as they see fit. But there are three
    fundamental problems with justifying any right or law on
    strictly utilitarian grounds.

    First, let us suppose that wealth or utility could be maximized
    by adopting certain legal rules; the “size of the pie”
    is increased. Even then, this does not show that these rules
    are justified. For example, one could argue that net utility
    is enhanced by redistributing half of the wealth of society’s
    richest one percent to its poorest ten percent. But even if
    stealing some of A’s property and giving it to B increases
    B’s welfare “more” than it diminishes A’s (if such a comparison
    could, somehow, be made), this does not establish
    that the theft of A’s property is justified. Wealth maximization
    is not the goal of law; rather, the goal is justice—giving
    each man his due.39 Even if overall wealth is increased due
    to IP laws, it does not follow that this allegedly desirable
    result justifies the unethical violation of some individuals’
    rights to use their own property as they see fit.

    Finally, even if we set aside the problems of interpersonal
    utility comparisons and the justice of redistribution
    and we plow ahead, employing standard utilitarian measurement
    techniques, it is not at all clear that IP laws lead
    to any change—either an increase or a decrease—in overall
    wealth. It is debatable whether copyrights and patents
    really are necessary to encourage the production of creative
    works and inventions, or that the incremental gains in
    innovation outweigh the immense costs of an IP system.
    Econometric studies do not conclusively show net gains in
    wealth. Perhaps there would even be more innovation if
    there were no patent laws; maybe more money for research
    and development (R&D) would be available if it were not
    being spent on patents and lawsuits. It is possible that companies
    would have an even greater incentive to innovate if
    they could not rely on a near twenty-year monopoly.

    There are undoubtedly costs of the patent system. As
    noted, patents can be obtained only for “practical” applications
    of ideas, but not for more abstract or theoretical
    ideas. This skews resources away from theoretical R&D.
    It is not clear that society is better off with relatively more
    practical invention and relatively less theoretical research
    and development. Additionally, many inventions are patented
    for defensive reasons, resulting in patent lawyers’
    salaries and patent office fees. This large overhead would
    be unnecessary if there were no patents. In the absence of
    patent laws, for example, companies would not spend
    money obtaining or defending against such ridiculous
    patents as those in the Appendix. It simply has not been
    shown that IP leads to net gains in wealth. But should not
    those who advocate the use of force against others’ property
    have to satisfy a burden of proof?

    We must remember that when we advocate certain
    rights and laws, and inquire into their legitimacy, we are
    inquiring into the legitimacy and ethics of the use of force.
    To ask whether a law should be enacted or exist is to ask:
    is it proper to use force against certain people in certain
    circumstances? It is no wonder that this question is not
    really addressed by analysis of wealth maximization. Utilitarian
    analysis is thoroughly confused and bankrupt: talk
    about increasing the size of the pie is methodologically
    flawed; there is no clear evidence that the pie increases with
    IP rights. Further, pie growth does not justify the use of
    force against the otherwise legitimate property of others.
    For these reasons, utilitarian IP defenses are unpersuasive.



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    Utilitarianism is socialist because it puts good of others in front of an individual's choice.

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    Since this is RON PAUL forums lets see what he has to say about it



    Ron Paul:
    "I favor enforcement of intellectual property rights; however, some of the steps taken to protect these rights impose unreasonable burdens on the consumers and even raise civil liberties concerns. As president, I will seek a balance between the interest of copyright holders and consumers of digital media."

    "Patents have a role to play in encouraging innovation. While I do not have a plan for patent reform yet, I would want to work with Congress to make sure that the US patent system encourages and rewards innovation. Making sure the patent system is fair to small business and entrepreneurs, rewards the actual inventors of a product, and does not tilt the playing field to large corporations will be a priority in my administration's approach to patent law. "

    It is all about balance
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    Many of us stopped being minarchist a while ago. Ron Paul fights for freedom but not even he is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danberkeley View Post
    Many of us stopped being minarchist a while ago. Ron Paul fights for freedom but not even he is perfect.
    No he is. Because he acknowledges trying to sell anarcho-capitalism is epically retarded, when the public doesn't even know what the Bill of Rights are.

    He's smart enough to use the Constitution as his sound bite & default position, it's awesome rhetorically when you have very little time to make a point.

    Speech by US Congressman Ron Paul at the "Prague Spring Lecture", Czech Republic, 29 May 2006

    Theme: "Ludwig von Mises and Politics"

    Ron Paul is hosted by Czech President Vaclav Klaus at the launch of the "Czech Translation of Human Action" organized by Liberální Institute.


    Ron Paul is hosted by President Klaus in Prague (part 2)

    6min45secs - 9min01secs.

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    Conza, why do you even bother? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    No he is. Because he acknowledges trying to sell anarcho-capitalism is epically retarded, when the public doesn't even know what the Bill of Rights are.
    He is perfect?

    Wow, next you're going to say because you agree with him 100%, you're perfect too? (or is that a typo?)

    I agree selling anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism, or even conservatism is retarded when the masses are ignorant (unless you like to see losers suffer, like me). Which I why I agree we should NOT reduce government or give more freedom for those who either are not ready, do not want it or do not deserve it.

    But yes, I stopped being a minarchist because I don't want the last bit of "archy" abused for the few, I'd rather have no-archy so things can happen faster. I became a none-archist, or Arm-archist to be accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh_LA View Post
    He is perfect?

    Wow, next you're going to say because you agree with him 100%, you're perfect too? (or is that a typo?)

    I agree selling anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism, or even conservatism is retarded when the masses are ignorant (unless you like to see losers suffer, like me). Which I why I agree we should NOT reduce government or give more freedom for those who either are not ready, do not want it or do not deserve it.

    But yes, I stopped being a minarchist because I don't want the last bit of "archy" abused for the few, I'd rather have no-archy so things can happen faster. I became a none-archist, or Arm-archist to be accurate.
    “I will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison

    Quote Originally Posted by TGGRV View Post
    Conza, why do you even bother? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    Typical of you Conza, got nothing to say in response, so all you do is say "fail".

    Just like TW can only paste dictionary links and cry "SOP!".

    The audience can judge who's the loser, not bothering to even correct what I said wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh_LA View Post
    He is perfect?

    Wow, next you're going to say because you agree with him 100%, you're perfect too? (or is that a typo?)

    I agree selling anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism, or even conservatism is retarded when the masses are ignorant (unless you like to see losers suffer, like me). Which I why I agree we should NOT reduce government or give more freedom for those who either are not ready, do not want it or do not deserve it.

    But yes, I stopped being a minarchist because I don't want the last bit of "archy" abused for the few, I'd rather have no-archy so things can happen faster. I became a none-archist, or Arm-archist to be accurate.
    I still like "autarchist" better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I still like "autarchist" better.
    same thing as voluntaryist? or autonomist?

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