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Thread: Agenda 21/Sustainable Development

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    As I said before, the UN is trying to control the dialogue on sustainable development just as they try to control the dialogue on other issues, such as world peace and ending hunger. This doesn't mean the concept itself is their creation or the dialogue within the idea is controlled by them.

    For the most part, when discussing sustainability, we discuss problems and solutions. Most of the solutions have nothing to do with government. And within those solutions that do, I can't think of any that involve the federal government. Local government can be useful in some areas, but thats a whole different debate. My point is, as long as we don't take orders from the UN or some other international entity, the implementation sustainable development is very much in the hands of individuals.
    if modern agriculture continues to follow the path it's on now, it's finished. The food-growing situation may seem to be in good shape today, but that's just an illusion based on the current availability of petroleum fuels. All the wheat, corn, and other crops that are produced on big American farms may be alive and growing, but they're not products of real nature or real agriculture. They're manufactured rather than grown. The earth isn't producing those things.. petroleum is! -Masanobu Fukuoka



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    Ben, I was born in 1947 and believe me when I tell you that the sustainable living movement did not start in the 60's.People were living a sustainable lifestyle long before that. The hippies weren't interested in developing a sustainable lifestyle as much as they were interested in dropping out of society. In the 70's the survivalist movement took off and one of the primary tenants of survivalist's was the ability to set up small self sustaining communities. The Agenda 21 form of sustainability is about the elites of the world controlling the rest of us by claiming to create sustainable cities and ECO systems. It has as one of it's components the preservation and control of rivers and their deltas. Specifically it mandates the removal of humans from the river basins in order to protect the rivers. At least that is the reason given. In reality it is to control navigable water and water that can be used to grow food. It is through actions such as this that Agenda 21 is being used to control and limit freedom. You may not see the filthy, disease ridden, little hands of the one worlders in your classroom but they are there!

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    I agreed with your entire post, except for the last sentence. Most of the curriculum for the sustainable development program is not dictated by any national or international program. It is mostly created by the professors, in response to what they believe are the important concepts and also in response to student demand. A vast majority of their research is independent of the UN, and with their research, usually conducted in response to problems faced in sensitive ecosystems and so on, they create literature and curricula.

    The ideas of sustainable development in America are different from those in Europe, which are in turn different from those in Japan and Africa. In my classes, when we have talked about protecting streams and rivers, we first talk about what makes a healthy river, then we talk about how we get there from a development standpoint. We don't say "No humans near rivers!", we say something more akin to "Local governments should encourage agriculture near rivers as opposed to suburbs." Really, just common sense stuff when you get down to it.

    So yeah, be open minded next time you hear someone talking about sustainable development.
    Last edited by BenIsForRon; 06-16-2009 at 11:16 AM.
    if modern agriculture continues to follow the path it's on now, it's finished. The food-growing situation may seem to be in good shape today, but that's just an illusion based on the current availability of petroleum fuels. All the wheat, corn, and other crops that are produced on big American farms may be alive and growing, but they're not products of real nature or real agriculture. They're manufactured rather than grown. The earth isn't producing those things.. petroleum is! -Masanobu Fukuoka

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