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    Defense for abortion being left up to states?

    Does anyone have a link to Ron Paul's position on abortion where he concludes it must be left to the states. I think it was from his book but I don't have a copy on me. It was like "people who say we shouldn't leave it up to the states because they might make the wrong decision is like saying we need world government" or something. Thanks



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    Not sure but I'd strongly suspect that Ron Paul's position on the subject is entirely predicated on the Tenth Amendment.
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    If this turns into an abortion debate, I'm going to hit my head against this desk to make it go away.
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    A Possible Place for His Defense

    Congressman Paul wrote a book in 1983 entitled Abortion and Liberty. Although I haven't read the book yet, I think that would be a good place to search for his defense of abortion being left to the States.
    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

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    Quote Originally Posted by M House View Post
    If this turns into an abortion debate, I'm going to hit my head against this desk to make it go away.
    The off switch will make the debate go away. As for the desk, if you want it to go away give it to me!
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Making the Pain Go Away...

    Quote Originally Posted by M House View Post
    If this turns into an abortion debate, I'm going to hit my head against this desk to make it go away.
    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul

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    Abortion debates here usually can be summed into this

    1. Killing babies is bad
    2. Having unwanted kids is bad
    3. Contraceptives are bad
    4. Having sex is bad

    .......what do people do: have sex, kids, and abortions anyway.
    Believe your Justice.-Metal Wolf Chaos



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    Quote Originally Posted by Theocrat View Post
    Congressman Paul wrote a book in 1983 entitled Abortion and Liberty. Although I haven't read the book yet, I think that would be a good place to search for his defense of abortion being left to the States.
    Hmm. He mentions leaving it up to the states but actually seems to support a constitutional amendment in that.

    Constitutional provision should never have been
    necessary, but now it is. Without this change in the Constitution,
    the division and dissension in the country over abortion will get
    worse. If we cannot achieve a clear-cut protection of all human
    life, in-utero as well as extra-utero, all life and liberty will be
    undefendable and the disintegration of our free society will
    accelerate. And yet merely changing the law, if not accompanied
    with a similar change in attitude, recognizing the value of life in a
    moral sense, would not achieve its intended purpose. It could even
    serve to precipitate more division and dissension. We cannot deny
    constitutional protection to the unborn, but we should not be
    complacent and think that this in itself solves the problem. The
    problem is fundamentally moral, not legal. The Constitution by
    itself cannot establish the proper moral attitude of a nation. The
    real change will not be achieved by the politicians, but must come
    from our moral and religious philosophers.

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    If your belief is that abortion is murder, you should be working to ban it on the federal level. I'd be a bit surprised if Ron Paul would permit states to legalize murder (not that I believe it's murder...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kludge View Post
    If your belief is that abortion is murder, you should be working to ban it on the federal level. I'd be a bit surprised if Ron Paul would permit states to legalize murder (not that I believe it's murder...)
    Not necessarily. No where in the Federal Constitution is the issue of murder mentioned. It was left to the states to handle such cases, as well as probably 99% of criminal offenses.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M House View Post
    Abortion debates here usually can be summed into this

    1. Killing babies is bad
    2. Having unwanted kids is bad
    3. Contraceptives are bad
    4. Having sex is bad

    .......what do people do: have sex, kids, and abortions anyway.

    +1

    It's a little game we play.
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    federalism.
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