Ron Paul's Campaign Sold Our Email Addresses [Mod: Supposition at this point]

[Feenix566]

Have you been getting Conservative Action Alerts in your inbox? Have you been wondering how these people got your name? I can tell you. Ron Paul's 2008 campaign sold your email address, and I can prove it.

I have my own domain name. Any email sent to any address at that domain name gets re-routed to me. So what that means is that I can make up email addresses on the fly. I could tell someone that my email address was anything I wanted it to be, as long as it ends with my domain name, and if they send email to that address, I'll get it.

So, every time I sign up for an account on any web site, I always fill in the email address as <the website I'm signing up for>@<my domain name> So for instance when I signed up for ebay my address is ebay.com@<my domain name>. That way, whenever I get spam, I can figure out how the spammers got my email address. Any email addressed to ebay.com@<my domain name> must have originated from ebay.com.

Well all those Conservative Action Alerts we've been getting have been addressed to ronpaul2008.com@<my domain name>. They sold our addresses. I'm a bit disappointed, especially when I get Conservative Action Alerts instructing me to do something hateful and/or discriminatory towards homosexuals.

[DirtMcGirt]

i just checked all my email accounts and the only odd one i get is rallyfortherepublic, which i don't know if i signed up for.

[nullvalu]

I have been getting those emails too. If they did indeed sell them, then I am damn upset about it. Was it Ron Paul's campaign directly or was it the CFL?

[DirtMcGirt]

just checked my spam folders, yeah i have them...

[Feenix566]

It was whoever owns ronpaul2008.com

[The One]

If I had all your email addresses and could make money off them, I'd sell them too.

[nullvalu]

If I had all your email addresses and could make money off them, I'd sell them too.

Umm, I'm pretty sure there was a privacy policy in place when we signed up, does anyone have a copy of that?

[gls]

I just searched my spam folder and sure enough it's loaded with them. One from yesterday is advertising "Palin 2012" bumper stickers. Personally I'm fine with the promotion of REAL liberty causes and candidates but that's just disgusting.

[LibertyEagle]

It was whoever owns ronpaul2008.com

Have any proof of that, or are you just making a declaration with nothing to back it up?

[LibertyEagle]

FWIW, I just checked my spam box and I don't have even one like you're talking about.

[nullvalu]

Have any proof of that, or are you just making a declaration with nothing to back it up?

It doesn't necessarily have to be the person who owned the domain, just the person who had access to the list. I think the OP did a pretty good job of backing up his claims, and some of the rest of us ARE getting this spam too.

[Change]

Obviously you don't know Ron Paul, if he was going to sell his supporters out, he would have done it to get into the Republican Convention. Since you have no evidence that Ron Paul has done this, I woud put up or shut up. This is rumors that in the end does nothing but to get Ron Paul Supporters eye off the ball of Liberty and Fredom.

[LibertyEagle]

It doesn't necessarily have to be the person who owned the domain, just the person who had access to the list. I think the OP did a pretty good job of backing up his claims, and some of the rest of us ARE getting this spam too.

Fair enough. I sent something to C4L about it. Let's see what they can find out.

[Change]

That is a good idea.

[TruthisTreason]

I received an email from them, maybe two; thought it was spam.

[TruthisTreason]

Actually, I recovered one.


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[angelatc]

Have any proof of that, or are you just making a declaration with nothing to back it up?

Did you even read his post? He has proof.

Either the campaign sold the emails or somebody at the ISP went fishing.

[LibertyEagle]

Did you even read his post? He has proof.

Either the campaign sold the emails or somebody at the ISP went fishing.

Yes, I did, Angela. I guess I'm wanting more. I sent an email to C4L and for me, I'd like to wait to carry out the execution until we find out what they have to say.

I will be none to happy IF they sold our emails either. At this point, I don't know that they did, however.

[angelatc]

Yes, I did, Angela. I guess I'm wanting more. I sent an email to C4L and for me, I'd like to wait to carry out the execution until we find out what they have to say.

I will be none to happy IF they sold our emails either. At this point, I don't know that they did, however.

I am just cynical. I knew they would, so I didn't bother with the domain name. I used a yahoo.com address.

[dannno]

Hmmm.. I am getting those sent to my spam box.. but I have no reason to think it was the campaign.

[Change]

Did you even read his post? He has proof.

Either the campaign sold the emails or somebody at the ISP went fishing.

Well then we all should have receive the same thing. I can tell you I did not. The way the mass email system works if someone bought it would be to send it to everyone, not just select ones. Maybe you are on some other posting network and they sold it. I am sorry I think you are just assuming and you know what they say when you assume.

I see no smoking gun here and even if that was the case, delete the freakin message, doesn't mean you have to reply or get involved. I think this is an entire waste of time, discussion.

Sorry, My take on the situation, we have bigger fish to fry.

[LittleLightShining]

I got email from the PCC at two different email addresses. I'm not sure why but I get Conservative Action Alerts at one of them and not the other.

[LurkingVariable]

I'm afraid the OP was correct. Whether they were "sold" or not may be in question, but there is no doubt that the email addresses of those who registered with the Ron Paul 2008 website have been provided to these groups: "Conservative Action Alerts", "Right March", and the "Ludwig von Mises Institute". Like the OP, when I donated to the RP campaign I provided a unique email address (ronpaul2008@ - My Domain - .com) that was only used for registering with that site (I do this commonly to track sources of spam). The image of my inbox (below) shows the 20 or so emails I've received from the three groups listed above in the last month. I am still an RP supporter, but I would like to see an explanation from the campaign. Of course, if "Right March" paid money for my email address then the joke is on them,'cuz there's about zero chance I'll ever want to put a "Palin 2012" sticker on my car.

-LV

[angelatc]

I see no smoking gun here .....

Then your eyes are closed. If the OP used an email address at one site, and one site only, and that email address is now being used by several sites, it indicates a couple possibilities.

1. Somebody fished the ISP. If that were true, the poster would likely be getting more offers for viagra than solicitations for liberty.

2. A campaign worker stole the emails and sold them.

3. The campaign sold them. I heard through the grapevine that the Campaign To Reelect.... now owns them.

I am getting them too. Maybe only people who donated are getting solicited?

[Sandra]

I'm not getting anything.

[Pennsylvania]

I didn't donate to them and I received the same e-mail.

[ronpaulhawaii]

I'm not getting anything.

I just went through my spamboxes and found a total of one email from CAA. I used multiple accounts for donating/etc.

Hmmmm...

[tonesforjonesbones]

Hmmm i don't recall getting any of those..I'll go look again though. tones

[Aratus]

the other thing is... people can hack into data-bases...
like even if NONE of the rEVOLUTIOn people sold any list...
like what if SOMEONE went thru an admin "back door" yet is
not admin, and then boldly sold the list(s) to a string of wannabe
politicos + pacs? ...someone wants big money to back palin in 2012...

[nullvalu]

In the box I used for signing up at the campaign, I have about 15-20 spam messages from CAA starting in november, and a few from RightMarch.