Would this mean Nancy Pelosi would no longer be eligible for most CA voters and we could get rid of her?
I know, in my dreams. Man, why did I have to say that. I never want her in one of my dreams.
Its about as optimistic and fresh as forming your own state and joining the USSR, all the while actually thinking your going to effect some kind of change in the central government. Why would anyone in their right mind even contemplate it? Good luck anyways, but I prefer to work on the socialist hell hole I currently live in rather than create a new one with seats in the house and senate that will ultimately be used to oppress the other states in the union as is the American way.Originally Posted by cheapseats
The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George. I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive state power. The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility, and out of self interest -- for himself, his family, and the future of his country -- to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state.
Congressman Ron Paul 5/22/07
Mr. Brian Petersen et al,
Ideologically AND economically sound, Jefferson State is whatcha call a Win-Win . . . a no-brainer. If y'all can't make Jefferson State fly at THIS juncture, with respect, you've either got a Judas problem or an Effectiveness problem.
I'm a no-nonsense-non-bleeding-heart type, with a lousy bedside manner and an irrepressible knack for callin' a spade a spade. How can I help? Willing to relocate. Available June 1st.
hello and thank you for your interest; you are welcome any time.
my name is anthony Intiso, chair of law/legeslative committee for JAC.
will ge tback to you
tony
BRAVO!
I'm sending what little $$$ I can spare in hopes this happens.
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
Pre-Convention postponed
The JAC Pre-Constitutional Convention meeting has been postponed until further notice in light of new information pertaining to the process of secession. These new findings will enable the JAC and others to proceed in a more efficient manner. This also gives the committee more time to organize our alliances.
Until further notice, we are on the job and will share information as we progress.
BP
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
NOT a frowning emoticon. Good. I'da been pissed like hell if I had driven to that, only to discover they didn't have their $#@! together.Pre-Convention postponed
The JAC Pre-Constitutional Convention meeting has been postponed until further notice in light of new information pertaining to the process of secession. These new findings will enable the JAC and others to proceed in a more efficient manner. This also gives the committee more time to organize our alliances.
Until further notice, we are on the job and will share information as we progress.
BP
Anthony Intiso's email said he'd be in touch, so I figger all I have to do is give him an opportunity to be a man of his word. I mean, if the chair of their legislative/law committee is inept or insincere . . . $#@! it, am I right? There are more Causes than I keep track of. Between you, me and the lamp post, I think Specialization of Causes is a technique for perpetuating big-picture bull$#@!. But mum's the word on that -- we're pretendin' we're turnin' over a new leaf.
Thanks PaulPre-Convention postponed
The JAC Pre-Constitutional Convention meeting has been postponed until further notice in light of new information pertaining to the process of secession. These new findings will enable the JAC and others to proceed in a more efficient manner. This also gives the committee more time to organize our alliances.
Until further notice, we are on the job and will share information as we progress.
BP
Hmm... new Free State Project? The NH thing kind of sucks.
Also, which potential flag does everyone prefer?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...rnate_flag.svg
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...sible_Flag.svg
EDIT: Sorry, I messed up the links. I hope I've fixed them...
You think taking over NH is hard so you want to try taking over California, the most populated and the the most socialist state, and somehow get the states and the federal government to ok splitting off into another state? Sounds like this is going to be one hard thing to do. It would be great if possible. But it probably will be about 1000 or more times harder than just taking over NH.
NH could have been done with already...but the hydra that is humanity rears it's ugly head once more, people started bitching about which state was chosen & soon after the numbers split
nothing will ever be done like this, you are either united in the effort or not
The accumulated filth of all their sex & murder will foam up about their waists & all the whores & politicians will look up & shout "Save us!"... & I'll look down and whisper "No."
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The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
Believe it or not you can! All you need to do is to call bull$#@! on your assigned social security number, as it was assigned to you, most likely before you could legally concent to a contract.I wish I could succeed at seceding as an individual citizen, and remain in place geographically.
I'd like to hear about Jefferson's successful secession in the future.
Bear in mind tho, that without a Social(ist) Security # you cant get a drivers license (which you dont need to travel, not drive, drive is something US citizens do when operating their "vehicles" not "automobiles" for business purposes, such as taxi, or faring), or a job that requires you to be a US citizen as you will then be a State Citizen, with Constitutionally guaranteed rights, not civil liberties.
Oh, and the cops will never let you off the hook on anything and will continue to razz you with their stupidity until you die. And dont worry, if you ever have to go to court, you will have the Constitutionally guaranteed Right to a trial by your peers, which will probably be the stupidest morons the government can find to act as your jurors and not know the difference between the Bill of Rights and a piece of toilet paper which they can barely use since they cant find their own $#@!s with a map, a flashlight, and a $#@!ing tour guide. In other words if you ever do have to go to court on these principles, expect to be found Guilty thru evidence of sheer stupidity of the sheep they put in place of your "peers". Pretty much the same way tax law works. Intimidation thru stupidity.
Basically, it is possible to revoke your status, but its not worth the effort as no one has half a clue any more as to what any of it means.
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Edit:
And for the record, Yreka county can still suck my left nut and damn well better not make the right one jealous!
They already snaked money from me and they will be lucky if I ever drop one $#@!ing red cent into that entire township again for as long as I live. Crooked cops, crooked courts, crooked government. They dont deserve the priviledge of having me drive thru their town again.
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1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
Yeah, I was more or less kidding. The idea was that IF they seceded, THEN it could be the locale for a Free State Project. And the fact of the matter is that I think the whole idea of the FSP is kind of dumb to begin with. I'm a fan of casting down your bucket where you are.
**Four State Split!**
Wow found this article. Seems they are floating the idea of creating four new states!
http://www.businessinsider.com/despe...-states-2009-5
The clock is ticking on California, which must slash its way out of a $21 billion deficit in order to stave off default (that is, if Uncle Sam doesn't extend the state a TARP bailout before then).
While the problem is serious, the state's uber-democratic system is broken beyond repair. It's truly a failed state, in the classic political science sense of the term. If it were its own country, the US would be consulting with the UN and NATO about establishing a presence and supervising elections
Secession cometh me hopes.
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
If this ever happens I would love to live there.
The only problem i see is that they will escape the tyranny of Cali and Oregon but still stay in the union under the heavy hand of the federal govt?
I guess the upside to that can be that with the right people running the state of Jefferson they can be a shining example of states rights over the fed govt. by fighing them on everything.
Unfortunately the feds own most of the land in the area and pretty much control everything in this part of the state.
War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.
Get the feds to turn it over as indian land, not part of a state, and then turn the indian land into a state.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
The feds own nothing.
They control the bountiful lands of America through a system of impoverishment and prison, from the barrel of a gun.
California may be a lost cause, but the State of Jefferson is Sovereign and free of fed control.
Long Live the State of Jefferson!
Peacefully Engaged in Domestic Economic Terrorism Since 2004.
Audit Fort Knox so we will know how much Tungsten backs the FRN!
How's that working for ya'?.
I know it's easier to stay where you are, and moving is not possible for everyone, but concentrating activists in one place is absolutely more likely to succeed in my view. Freedom loving people are generally outnumbered in this country, and I'm skeptical that staying diluted is going to work.
“If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis
The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.
If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.
Article IV.
Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The government invalidated the Constitution by largely ignoring it therefore they invalidated their authority over the people. I therefore I do not see why freedom loving people should be held to this section in particular.
In that bold emphasis lies the possibility of a solution that is real, and real-time. In other words, in that bold emphasis lies HOPE -- on what basis could the states' respective legislatures and Congress NOT grant consent? The only one I can think of is a two-fold economic loss, less federal aid and less tax revenue.
But to withhold consent on economic grounds would imply that we are being held hostage. That won't do at all. That would be very like the Civil War.
Last edited by cheapseats; 05-29-2009 at 06:12 PM.
Chair of law/legislative Anthony Intiso has NOT gotten back to me. Nor has anyone else from yet another slow-as-molasses-in-January movement gotten back to me. Maybe it's 'cuz of my big mouth and bad attitude, or maybe it's 'cuz I didn't send money, or maybe it's 'cuz they're ineffectual, or maybe it's 'cuz -- like so many other of the Political Elite -- they don't intend or want to actually succeed.
Makes no nevermind to me . . . NEXT! I suddenly realize I have zero interest in a project that has been simmering since World War II and even NOW, when their case is strongest and the federal/state governments are overwhelmed, its quote-unquote leaders STILL can't get their $#@! together.
Here's what I HAVE learned about Humboldt County. There are an unusual number of seemingly able-bodied men collecting Disability and/or Social Security . . . including a Hare-K'rnsa!-Holy-Roller whose aversion to meat eating is so extreme that he is unable to stomach working with carnivores.
Don't pardon the pun, CELEBRATE the pun -- this is Theater of the Absurd.
Last edited by cheapseats; 05-29-2009 at 06:47 PM.
West Virginia seceded from Virginia... Another data point in the legacy of UnConstitutional tolerances of Abraham Lincoln.
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"All eyes are opened, or opening to the rights of man, let the annual return of this day(July 4th), forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them."
Thomas Jefferson June 1826
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The State of Jefferson is a State of Mind, and I can come or go there any time I please.
Peacefully Engaged in Domestic Economic Terrorism Since 2004.
Audit Fort Knox so we will know how much Tungsten backs the FRN!
I appreciate the concept, I do. PEACE is also a state of mind which can be visited upon pleasure or leisure. Trouble is, who has any pleasure or leisure?
The Truth is that a sovereign Jefferson State has been been under serious to blase consideration since BEFORE WORLD WAR II.
No time like the present to get real about stuff that has hovered on a To Do list for more than half a century. It's like I said to whoever didn't get back to me, it stands to Reason that there is an Effectiveness problem or a Judas problem.
Or Commitment Issues. It can't have escaped your notice that a lotta people only TALK about Change. It is politically correct to talk about Change. Talk is cheap. In the spirit of being careful what one wishes for, I think a lotta people don't WANT Change to be effectuated. Rather, they want it known that they were among those who did not resist the Change that was not forthcoming.
Last edited by cheapseats; 06-09-2009 at 10:51 AM.
Cheapseats,
I understand your resentment towards those "officials" within the geographic State of Jefferson, but I want you to understand just how large an area we are dealing with.
By transcending into and out of the State of Jefferson, as though it is a tangible location, we eventually realize that it is our own specific, physical location.
When enough Liberty minded people occupy that state of mind, then that collective mindset of Jeffersonian (Paulian) individuals takes root and the State of Jefferson enlarges it's borders from within.
I currently dwell in the State of California, but wherever I go, the State of Jefferson travels with me, and that is the state in which I live.
Peacefully Engaged in Domestic Economic Terrorism Since 2004.
Audit Fort Knox so we will know how much Tungsten backs the FRN!
Via STRATIOTES does your reputation precede you. 'Nuf said, yes? I speak with respect.
I also dwell-more-like-skulk-around in the State of California. On my way BACK into California, where I have lived since 1966 -- coming from Reno, not Russia -- I was obliged to stop at a checkpoint.
It was early evening. There were other cars. It said Agricultural Inspection. The man with the uniform and the gun (also the orange vest, Safety First!) was nice enough. But I was also relaxed enough. I wouldn't have been so relaxed if I had just bought a gun at a pawn shop, I can tell you that. I wouldn't have been so relaxed if I had been carrying the marijuana that it is lawful for me to smoke in one state but not in another, though they can't pour liquor fast enough in either.
I'll have to dip into my Recovery Arsenal, and do some practice Acting As If. Don't wanna get swooped up just 'cuz I was acting like I was AFRAID of the guy who is twice my size and armed, and who will have legal backing and official cover for whatever he takes it into his head or hands to do. 'Cuz, God knows, he didn't ask me whether I was transporting any plants or foodstuffs.
He asked where I was coming from. I was so not expecting that question (see above re: Agricultural Inspection).
Whaddya mean by FROM, right?
"I'm going BACK to where I live in California after driving TO Reno."
"Have a nice night."
You bet, sleep tight.
Being Prepared, and all that it implies -- skillz, resourcefulness, strength, comrades, WEAPONS -- renders the Prepared eminently better able and, well, equipped to live in their own little worlds-within-a-world, slowly but steadily radiating out The Word. Swell. Good on you. But y'all better start inviting some people into the fort, or come out blazing, or pat yourselves on the backs for your own Survival while the Many go under. It must be owned that the Prepared DO count among their numbers some who, for different reasons, are as content as neocons to let the unwashed masses perish. But I advise Big Money and Bearing Arms alike, the world won't be half the fun they think it will be without a broad Middle Class. That's the Clydesdale Class, where the lion's share of the work gets done.
Actually, it's more of a Worker Bee class right now . . . emasculated and anemic. But it COULD be broad and strong again. We do not have to SETTLE for mediocrity, spiced up with getting around the Rules and getting past the Guards.
I can do Ohhm/Peace/Love with the best of 'em -- I LONG to return to that path. Give me a covered porch, a good man, a high-speed internet connection and a perspective-restoring view and, I dunno, I never used to think that would be enough but now it sounds like the proverbial slice of Heaven On Earth. If it's Every Man For Himself, I only need someone to give me the word.
But first I implore you and other Peaceful Warriors to consider that, libertarian and patriotic flourishes notwithstanding, you're still whistling Kum-Bay-Ya.
Last edited by cheapseats; 06-12-2009 at 10:02 AM.
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