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    Lightbulb *51st State a possibility!*

    Jefferson State! compiling Northern California and Southern Oregon could secede and become our 51st state! They breifly did so just prior to WW2 but the war stopped the effort. Now it's gaining stem again.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNNP138DLP.DTL

    http://www.jeffersonstate.com/jeffersonnews.html

    Seeking signatures
    The Grange Hall of Yreka, a farm-based service organization, is activating 51 of its brethren halls in the area to collect 1 million signatures to have a statehood advisory measure put on the California ballot. Tony Intiso, a runoff candidate in the Nov. 4 election for Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors, has pledged to force the issue and is running campaign ads calling for regional freedom. The number of registered users of a decade-old Web site advocating partition has suddenly shot from dozens to more than 900.

    "Heck yeah, it's a darn good idea," said Richard Mitchell, manager of the Cooley & Pollard Hardware Store on Miner Street, the main drag in the blink-and-you-miss-it town of Yreka. "Those liberal people down south don't understand us at all, and if there was a vote today to form a new state, it would pass in a heartbeat.

    "I would bet on it."

    The window of Mitchell's store, where he tends the register in worn work boots and a camouflage hunting cap, displays T-shirts and flags sporting the state "seal" of Jefferson: Two X's denoting the double-crossing the area supposedly gets from the capitols of California and Oregon.






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    Wow, although unlikely that this will happen, it definitely deserves more attention.

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    DC has a better shot of being the 51st state, and that ain't happening either, despite Paul Strauss's "noble" and "valiant" efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yongrel View Post
    DC has a better shot of being the 51st state, and that ain't happening either, despite Paul Strauss's "noble" and "valiant" efforts.
    Wouldn't making D.C. a state be against the Constituion (as if it's followed anyway)?

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    Never happen but note my location.
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    According to the articles, the citizens of these counties wanted to put through a petition to have a ballot question for the secession of the area on election day. Whether their petition went through or not is unclear, and whether or not there was a question put on the ballot for election day is unclear - why? The articles are from October.

    This is old news. Their dream of a "Jefferson State" isn't possible for at least another four years, where it still isn't likely otherwise it would have gained national coverage all ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot123 View Post
    According to the articles, the citizens of these counties wanted to put through a petition to have a ballot question for the secession of the area on election day. Whether their petition went through or not is unclear, and whether or not there was a question put on the ballot for election day is unclear - why? The articles are from October.

    This is old news. Their dream of a "Jefferson State" isn't possible for at least another four years, where it still isn't likely otherwise it would have gained national coverage all ready.
    Sacramento doesn't even know about Jefferson why should the Nation? All the more reason for them to create thier own. If it takes four years so be it, perhaps Ron Paul can be the first govenor of a state which would coin it's own gold and silver tender? sounds good to me.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    51st State a possibility! state of Jefferson

    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Sacramento doesn't even know about Jefferson why should the Nation? All the more reason for them to create thier own. If it takes four years so be it, perhaps Ron Paul can be the first govenor of a state which would coin it's own gold and silver tender? sounds good to me.
    here's a nice show that covered the history of the STATE of JEFFERSON. plenty of links:

    http://www.calgold.com/roadtrip/Default.asp?Series=100&Show=954


    http://www.jeffersonstate.com/
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    Yreka. Thats the county I got my 89 mile per hour ticket in when I was only going 70 and had a GPS as proof to back it up, and they still said I was guilty. $#@! Yreka. They can burn in hell, or they can stay in hell which is more closely referred to as the State of Kalifornia.
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    A new State can only be created as the Constitution specifies. If this area wanted to break off and become a new country... .well that is debatable itself because remember all States are sovereign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    A new State can only be created as the Constitution specifies. If this area wanted to break off and become a new country... .well that is debatable itself because remember all States are sovereign.
    Say what now? So technically a state can succeed if they want too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick.mccann View Post
    Say what now? So technically a state can succeed if they want too?
    A group of counties from a State cannot just decide they want to become another new and independent State within the Union. States can only join the union as the Constitution describes.

    Because of this Nevada and West Virginia are not Constitutional States; they were created by Lincoln et al for political reasons and without following the Constitution.

    Now, an entire State can seceded from the Union according to the Constitution although last time this was tried the Yankee imperialist bullies killed hundreds of thousands to stop a legal action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    A group of counties from a State cannot just decide they want to become another new and independent State within the Union. States can only join the union as the Constitution describes.
    If the legislatures of the states in question say it's ok, then a new state can form from within another state or by the joining of two states.


    edit:damn. I need to read the whole thread first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    A new State can only be created as the Constitution specifies. If this area wanted to break off and become a new country... .well that is debatable itself because remember all States are sovereign.
    Article 4 sec 3:

    SECTION. 3.
    New States may be admitted by the Congress into this
    Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within
    the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed
    by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States,
    without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned
    as well as of the Congress.
    The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all
    needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or
    other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing
    in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice
    any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

    So, as long as they have consent of the legislatures of the two states in question i.e. Oregon and California, and congress it's doable right?

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Article 4 sec 3:

    SECTION. 3.
    New States may be admitted by the Congress into this
    Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within
    the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed
    by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States,
    without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned
    as well as of the Congress.
    The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all
    needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or
    other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing
    in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice
    any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

    So, as long as they have consent of the legislatures of the two states in question i.e. Oregon and California, and congress it's doable right?
    It didn't happen with West Virginia seceeding from Virginia during the Civil War. Lincoln let that illegal act happen.

    Then again, Virginians today, seemed to want no part of WV. SO it may be a blessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    A new State can only be created as the Constitution specifies. If this area wanted to break off and become a new country... .well that is debatable itself because remember all States are sovereign.
    Apart from all the states that currently exist that weren't constitutional (illegally broken off from another state, never admitted, etc etc)
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  20. #17
    I would move there in a heart beat. Considering Jefferson State would have the smallest population of all U.S. states, it would be a prime location to start a west coast Freestater Movement.

  21. #18
    50 is such a nice round number, so it'll never happen unless maybe Virginia annexes West Virginia or the Dakotas merge.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by gaazn View Post
    50 is such a nice round number, so it'll never happen unless maybe Virginia annexes West Virginia or the Dakotas merge.
    Puerto Rico would make 52. One state per week of the year . . . I spy a weekly holiday. Or there's the District of Corruption.

    I would ask the obvious question, why DOES Puerto Rico vote in our presidential elections?

    Also, asymmetry is reputedly a sign of genius . . . and it must be owned that, given the magnitude of the cluster$#@!, a change in the arrangement of the stars on our flag is hardly a Herculean task. We can have a contest. Contests are good for morale during a Depression.
    Last edited by cheapseats; 01-05-2009 at 12:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    I would ask the obvious question, why DOES Puerto Rico vote in our presidential elections?
    They don't, it's just states and D.C. that vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clowns789 View Post
    They don't, it's just states and D.C. that vote.
    Fair enough. Why do Puerto Ricans vote in our presidential primaries? Our final outcome, it must be owned, was much dictated by what happened in the primaries.

    I observe, further, that Puerto Ricans have voted against statehood for the third time. Do WE have any say in whether Puerto Rico becomes a state? Do WE have any say in public policy in Puerto Rico? Dr. Phil would say that this quasi-aligned (or is it quasi-controlled?), UNCOMMITTED arrangement must be workin' for them. Like shackin' up instead of gettin' hitched, maybe.


    Q:
    Why does Puerto Rico participate in the presidential primary and not the general election?
    A:
    The United States Constitution grants voting privileges in the general election to the states and the District of Columbia only, not to U.S. territories.
    With 55 pledged delegates at stake, residents of Puerto Rico will head to their local election polls June 1 and cast ballots in the Democratic presidential primary. But for most of Puerto Rico's estimated 3.9 million residents, that’s where their presidential voting activity will end.

    Unless they have official residency in a U.S. state or the District of Columbia, people living in Puerto Rico, and all other U.S. territories, are not permitted to vote in the general election in November. The Office of the Federal Register, which oversees the Electoral College, says on its Web site that "the Electoral College system does not provide for residents of U.S. Territories, such as Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands and American Samoa to vote for President." Those with official domicile in a state or Washington, D.C., can vote by absentee ballot or travel to their home state to vote.


    The hurdle for U.S. territories is in Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, which, in the matter of electing a president, states: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress."

    As we've said before, the electors, not voters, actually cast the ballots that will determine who becomes president. The Constitution designates electors for states and the District of Columbia only. D.C. gained the right to vote in the general election by way of the 23rd Amendment in 1961. In order for residents of a territory to gain the right to vote in the general election, the territory would have to gain statehood, or the Constitution would have to be amended. These are not easy tasks, and over the years residents of Puerto Rico haven't always embraced the idea of becoming the 51st state.

    Though recognized as a U.S. territory, the Caribbean island is actually a commonwealth with its own constitution. In 1998, citizens of Puerto Rico voted against statehood for the third time, in favor of keeping their current status. Under this form of government, Puerto Rico residents are recognized as U.S. citizens, but they don't pay federal income taxes and they cannot vote in presidential elections. But that could change. In late April, a bill to allow residents of the island to officially vote on whether to become a state passed a congressional committee for the first time. Previous votes on statehood were not authorized by the U.S. government.

    Despite being excluded from the general election, territories are allowed to participate in the presidential primary and caucus process. The Federal Register further explains: "The political parties may authorize voters in primary elections in Territories to select delegates to represent them at the political party conventions. But that process does not affect the Electoral College system." Already this year, American Samoa, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam and the Puerto Rican Republican Party have held caucuses or primaries.

    -D'Angelo Gore


    Clarification, May 16: Puerto Ricans do not pay federal income taxes, but they do pay Social Security and Medicare taxes. Our original article did not make the distinction clear.

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...te_in_the.html

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    We may have multiple state seccessions before 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volitzer View Post
    We may have multiple state seccessions before 2012.
    This is what I think, though. I think that an attempt by multiple states to secede would incite panic>>violence>>Civil War.

    But ONE new state? I am possessed by a clarity and certainty that I cannot explain that the time is RIGHT NOW for one new state. An experiment, in Mr. Change's first year.

    I joined I'm-not-sure-which aspect of the Jefferson State Project. Someone who joined before me commented that he loved the idea and was completely on board, but that it probably didn't have a snowball's chance in hell. I commented that Jefferson State is the most logical idea that's been proffered this whole Campaign Season - and that it has a snowball's chance in Tahoe, in February.

  27. #24
    Would anyone besides myself seriously consider moving to Jefferson, if statehood is a fait accompli? I have my eye on Eureka, thanks to this thread. A king's ransom for a view of the sea.
    Last edited by cheapseats; 01-21-2009 at 09:46 PM.



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    I would sell every non essential and move in a heartbeat. If Ron was Governor it would be twice as sweet.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    It will never happen for several reasons. 2/3s of the water is here and the rest of the state would not let that go. Second it would probably give the gop two more senators.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    It will never happen for several reasons. 2/3s of the water is here and the rest of the state would not let that go. Second it would probably give the gop two more senators.
    True, but Puerto Rico will balance that with two Democrat senators.

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    Received this e-mail.

    Sounds as though Brian is a Ron Paul supporter.

    I appreciate your willingness to help. I hope to have more info coming up for people who want to help. Thank- you for the Ron Paul link. I will add it when I do an update.
    Brian

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    Regardless Whether it Happens or Not

    Regardless whether they can or will succeed or not, its great to know someone is doing something to let the country know of our forgotten rights. Most people complain about problems and sit on their asses not making an effort, but these people are actually doing something. They have my support. Do I think it will work? Absolutely not. But it will open up the minds of the citizens around the area to a more constitution-friendly mindset. Maybe make the West a much more Ron-Paul friendly target for the 2012 elections for RP or anyone running like him.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by tribute_13 View Post
    Regardless whether they can or will succeed or not, its great to know someone is doing something to let the country know of our forgotten rights. Most people complain about problems and sit on their asses not making an effort, but these people are actually doing something. They have my support. Do I think it will work? Absolutely not. But it will open up the minds of the citizens around the area to a more constitution-friendly mindset. Maybe make the West a much more Ron-Paul friendly target for the 2012 elections for RP or anyone running like him.
    I concur whole heartedly!

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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