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    Let me get this straight. Where concealed carry is legal, but open carry is not, you can take a gun to public but can't let it be seen. Where Open Carry is legal you may visibly display the gun in public but can't hide it. WTF?



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    i think you've got it correct. Unless you live in Mississippi. Where our state constitution seems to allow open carry, but the state statute regarding concealed carry makes it illegal to carry a weapon concealed in whole or in part without a license. That sounds like a lot of other states except where they threw in the "in whole or in part". Some court somewhere down the line has determined that a handgun in a holster is "concealed in part." Therefore you need a CCW in order to openly carry too.

    That seems to be the general consensus among the open carry proponents in Mississippi. It's the result of poorly written legislation and it also sucks that you need a license to exercise a right recognized by our state constitution.
    "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt, the mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence."


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    Quote Originally Posted by dees2003 View Post
    i think you've got it correct. Unless you live in Mississippi. Where our state constitution seems to allow open carry, but the state statute regarding concealed carry makes it illegal to carry a weapon concealed in whole or in part without a license. That sounds like a lot of other states except where they threw in the "in whole or in part". Some court somewhere down the line has determined that a handgun in a holster is "concealed in part." Therefore you need a CCW in order to openly carry too.

    That seems to be the general consensus among the open carry proponents in Mississippi. It's the result of poorly written legislation and it also sucks that you need a license to exercise a right recognized by our state constitution.
    So is it ok to just walk around with a gun in your hand then? Or is your hand partly concealing the grip?

    Can you have a pistol or rifle hanging from a leather sling?
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    in indiana, you have to obtain a license to carry a handgun; how you carry, open or concealed, is up to you.

    in michigan, you can open carry without a CCW (carrying concealed weapon) permit or license. go to www.opencarry.org for mor info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expatriate View Post
    So is it ok to just walk around with a gun in your hand then? Or is your hand partly concealing the grip?

    Can you have a pistol or rifle hanging from a leather sling?
    I haven't actually researched the court cases or anything personally. But from what i can gather, if you tied a lanyard around the trigger guard and hung it from your neck, the part of the trigger guard that is concealed by the lanyard is concealed and therefore you and carrying concealed. By that same logic if it is laying on a table, the part facing the table would be concealed...

    I know ridiculous right?

    From what i have read on opencarry.org there is no way to carry openly in Mississippi without a CCW permit. Even though the state consitution says we have a right to keep and bear arms. How am I supposed to exercise my right without a permit??? You don't need a permit for to exercise a right, if you do then its not a right its a privelage. So Mississippi law is screwed up...
    "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt, the mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence."


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    Yes, but in Michigan if you Open Carry and get into a car you have violated the law, unless you unload it and store it for transport.
    In many states there are confusing and sometimes conflicting laws and ordinances.
    In most cases the Law enforcers are not even aware of what the law is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Yes, but in Michigan if you Open Carry and get into a car you have violated the law, unless you unload it and store it for transport.
    Wow i hadn't heard that one yet. That is ridiculous. What if you were open carrying then you got on a motorcyle??? I wonder if you would be breaking Michigan law. In Mississippi we can carry anyway we want (Open, concealed, in the glovebox, or whatever) in a motor vehicle per our "Castle Doctrine" b/c the vehicle is an extension of your home. I'm not sure how that works for motorcycles though?


    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    In most cases the Law enforcers are not even aware of what the law is.
    Yup I have seen this more than once.
    "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt, the mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Expatriate View Post
    So is it ok to just walk around with a gun in your hand then? Or is your hand partly concealing the grip?
    That would be brandishing and is probably illegal where open carry is prohibited. If you CCW where open carry is prohibited, and your gun prints or is momentarily exposed then it's usually OK.



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    Yes if you actually "palm" a gun in public then you will be $#@!ed unless someone is committing a crime and you are in the middle of "Removing the issue".

    In california we can open carry (specifics based on city size and other b.s. though) BUT it MUST be unloaded. However you can open carry mags on your holster or belt BUT some have had issues with that as well.

    http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...aOpenCarry.pdf

    Here is a great open carry forum to check out

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCA View Post
    Let me get this straight. Where concealed carry is legal, but open carry is not, you can take a gun to public but can't let it be seen. Where Open Carry is legal you may visibly display the gun in public but can't hide it. WTF?
    As you can see, it's a hodgepodge from state to state.

    In NH here's the deal:

    You can openly carry a loaded sidearm, but you cannot carry it in a motor vehicle.

    You can get a CCW, (which is very "informal", no training, no SS numbers, no photos, no databases, ten bucks for five years) and then carry in a motor vehicle, concealed or otherwise.

    I usually carry open, or at most, loosely concealed under a jacket or flannel, and hardly ever get the "look", unless I travel downstate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newyearsrevolution08 View Post

    In california we can open carry BUT it MUST be unloaded.
    HA. i actually lol'ed when i read that. defeats the whole purpose of carrying....
    "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt, the mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence."


    Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106 BC-43 BC

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    I'd just as soon go back to the wild wild west. tones

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    Let's invent a clear holster for Mississippians

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    Quote Originally Posted by raystone View Post
    Now, what if a woman started openly carrying for the purpose of self defense ? Public opinion would be on her side, with logic being brought out that they should carry, but it would probably be in the best interest of citizens if this woman would be carrying concealed.
    Public opinion, at least that of the sheeple, is not on her side:

    http://www.timesleader.com/news/Toti...9-24-2008.html

    FYI her permit has been restored by a judge and she is now suing the sheriff to recover legal fees.



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