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Thread: Should Drunk Driving Be Legal?

  1. #331
    I think that drunkenness should be an aggravating factor IF AND ONLY IF someone is actually harmed by the driver.
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  3. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post

    IIRC, in a previous response I mentioned that while driving "drunk" may not necessarily be a crime, it does not follow that the act may not be intervened upon. You are pulled over for erratic driving and blow drunk. Rather than attempting to ruin your life, put you in the drunk tank or at least confiscate your keys until such time as you pick up the vehicle in a state of sobriety.
    A good point, why must punishment always be involved when simple intervention in the case of a clear public hazard would suffice?
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  4. #333
    Dem lawmaker announces plans to propose bill requiring breathalyzers in new vehicles

    The nannystaters never stop. They want to regulate very single aspect of life. Everything must be touched by government. Everything must be meddled with. It's a soft form of totalitarianism. But over time this "soft' totalitarianism accumulates and calcifies into just plane old nasty totalitarianism.

    This proposal is being floated in the name of safety. But it reflects a misunderstanding of the balance in a free society between freedom and risk. We should not have to blow into a computer in our car just so we can operate our property.

    (From The Hill)
    Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.) is planning to introduce a bill next week that would require all new vehicles sold in the U.S. to come equipped with an interlocking breathalyzer device.

    The breathalyzer device would force drivers to test their blood-alcohol content (BAC) levels before being able to start the car.

    ...

    https://www.thesorrentino.com/all-ne...n-new-vehicles
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  5. #334
    OP;
    I dunno' but 60% if vehicular fatalities are caused by sober drivers,
    not a lot of concern over those deaths,
    seems to me, like dead is dead, my belief is that people should be held accountable for their actions,
    not because they had two or three beers but whether they hurt people.
    We don't need checkpoints and breathalyzers, we need real cops that watch for
    aggressive and incapable drivers, booze , no booze , accountability period.

  6. #335
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    OP;
    I dunno' but 60% if vehicular fatalities are caused by sober drivers,
    not a lot of concern over those deaths,
    seems to me, like dead is dead, my belief is that people should be held accountable for their actions,
    not because they had two or three beers but whether they hurt people.
    We don't need checkpoints and breathalyzers, we need real cops that watch for
    aggressive and incapable drivers, booze , no booze , accountability period.
    90+%,, are "sober" drivers.

    A small amount are due to Catastrophic Mechanical Failure. and some could be weather related..

    Most are stupid mistakes by poor drivers. (accidents)
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  7. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Dem lawmaker announces plans to propose bill requiring breathalyzers in new vehicles

    The nannystaters never stop. They want to regulate very single aspect of life. Everything must be touched by government. Everything must be meddled with. It's a soft form of totalitarianism. But over time this "soft' totalitarianism accumulates and calcifies into just plane old nasty totalitarianism.

    This proposal is being floated in the name of safety. But it reflects a misunderstanding of the balance in a free society between freedom and risk. We should not have to blow into a computer in our car just so we can operate our property.

    (From The Hill)
    Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.) is planning to introduce a bill next week that would require all new vehicles sold in the U.S. to come equipped with an interlocking breathalyzer device.

    The breathalyzer device would force drivers to test their blood-alcohol content (BAC) levels before being able to start the car.
    ...

    https://www.thesorrentino.com/all-ne...n-new-vehicles
    Oh great, as if there are not enough things to keep a vehicle from working they want another device that will require maintenance.

    I suppose when it isn't working correctly, it will make a little engine light on the dash light up except this time, the engine wont even start.

    How are they going to keep people from using a small compressor to blow in the tube?
    Last edited by Dr.3D; 01-11-2019 at 09:25 PM.



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  9. #337
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Dem lawmaker announces plans to propose bill requiring breathalyzers in new vehicles

    The nannystaters never stop. They want to regulate very single aspect of life. Everything must be touched by government. Everything must be meddled with. It's a soft form of totalitarianism. But over time this "soft' totalitarianism accumulates and calcifies into just plane old nasty totalitarianism.

    This proposal is being floated in the name of safety. But it reflects a misunderstanding of the balance in a free society between freedom and risk. We should not have to blow into a computer in our car just so we can operate our property.

    (From The Hill)
    Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.) is planning to introduce a bill next week that would require all new vehicles sold in the U.S. to come equipped with an interlocking breathalyzer device.

    The breathalyzer device would force drivers to test their blood-alcohol content (BAC) levels before being able to start the car.

    ...

    https://www.thesorrentino.com/all-ne...n-new-vehicles
    It won't stop at new cars if this goes through.
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