Could we, the people, also start an offshore, independent broadcast network similar to the VoA which would lie outside the jurisdiction of the FCC?
What's up with all the New Hampshire talk? The "Live Free or Die" state went big time for a socialist president...last place I would want to be, especially if actions speak louder than words. Another thing, you better bring a boat load of money, because it isn't a cheap place to live.Originally Posted by tpreitzel
Those of you east of the Mississippi river move to New Hampshire within the next TWO years. With the price of gas at current lows, I'd plan on moving within the next month!
I think secession should be more of a state of mind, rather than a geographic location. Read "I'm Not A Number" by Clair Wolfe to understand what I'm talking about.
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Holy crap, that's ambitious. By the way, I don't advocate any form of violence, but if you want to stand up and defend yourself, this is the only even remotely moral way to do it, IMO. Move somewhere remote (with a bunch of other people preferably), buy the land, make sure you're self sufficient, and declare independence (defending yourself from incursions if necessary).
Anyone advocating aggressive violence against anyone is way over the line, IMO.
“If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis
The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.
If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.
Make it big, import lots of dirt and plants, and float it somewhere rainy!! It's have to be many square miles before I'd think of moving there of course ...
“If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis
The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.
If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.
If I mentally secede, do I still have to pay taxes to support corporate fat cats and aggressive war, or keep using FRNs? Or am I supposed to mentally secede in the cage they put me in when I don't pay them?
“If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis
The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.
If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.
Maybe. Today, the world is much more tightly integrated by technology. Secession doesn't automatically mean better lives. Secession does mean that the bonds of the federal government will be broken that would enable a people to more easily return to principles of limited government. No more FCC, FDA, etc. * so the people in the independent state could use their newly found freedom to reach out to her neighbors which will likely cause the establishment in D.C. to brand the independent state a terrorist state. Oh, well. It's time to put up.
* Pressure would surely exist within the newly created state to establishment similar functions, though.
Last edited by tpreitzel; 11-04-2008 at 09:54 PM.
The definition of the better life I want is a free life. I'd rather have liberty and no $5 lattes or gym memberships. Hell, I'd rather have liberty and scratch out a living on a farm for just enough to eat.
“If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis
The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.
If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.
I'm focusing on secession for the next 4 years.
“…I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”
THE THIRD NORTH AMERICAN SECESSIONIST CONVENTION
November 14-16, 2008 in Manchester, New Hampshire
http://middleburyinstitute.org/seces...ntion2008.html
See you there!
Obviously you never read the book I referenced nor do you seem to know about Claire Wolfe's other writings.
Basically it depends on how much you are willing to restructure your lifestyle. Self-sufficiency, bartering, self-employment, etc...these are the tools of a lifestyle of freedom and liberty in our system at this time--and can be done in a lot of places other than New Hampshire, Colorado, Montana, or the ocean.
I'm not against the ideas mentioned in this thread; just offering another alternative for folks that might not have the interest or means to physically relocate to another state or area.
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Hopefully, the FSP will have good representation at the meeting. Personally, I'd like to see these conventions continue to move annually among the various states with secessionist organizations.THE THIRD NORTH AMERICAN SECESSIONIST CONVENTION
November 14-16, 2008 in Manchester, New Hampshire
http://middleburyinstitute.org/seces...ntion2008.html
See you there!
I can't believe we don't have one of Obama's 57states that is willing to secede.. I was hoping it would be Montana or New Hampshire, but I'll take anything. How about a small state like Vermont?
I'm sorry, you are right - I am just a little angry right now, as you may have noticed. The question wasn't entirely factitious, though, and I don't have time to read her books now. Does she advocate refusing to pay taxes, and a refusal to use government services?
“If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis
The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.
If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.
I'll be 18 in about 3 years, will I be able to move to NH?
I am pissed off, $#@! the United States. I need a new flag.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." -- Winston Churchill
Damn proud Classical Liberal/Minarchist!
No problem...I think a lot of folks are on "edge" right now due to this historical BS. Yes to your questions. She believes that we should ignore and turn away from the government that has enslaved us. I think the book is out of print now--maybe a copy can be found at Amazon or the internet--but I consider it essential reading for liberty minded people.
I live in a remote part of Appalachia and I personally know people who have lived "under the radar" for years...the government doesn't even know they exist. There are a lot of remote areas in the country where this can be done. The problem is, most people don't or won't have the stomach for it. It requires a major paradigm shift from the way most folks live, but it can--and is--being done by more people than you would think.
Good luck on your journey wherever it takes you!
Expressly Reserving All LibertiesGrassroots Volunteer: RWVA
If Vermont secedes it will to be even more socialist. I think NH is more libertarian than you might believe. There are a lot of people who fall for the "lesser of two evils" crap, but go for liberty when given the option. Western sparsely populated states are options, but as far as eastern states, I don't think you'll do better than NH.I can't believe we don't have one of Obama's 57
“If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis
The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.
If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing...ssion_movement
http://www.freestatewyoming.org/
I like the idea of the Free State Project but, as was pointed out by people in NH during the primaries, far too many people from The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts have moved there to escape the problems, but then they continue to vote the same way. The population of NH is just too many. We need a state with the lowest population. That way we have a bigger impact.
Read the book "Molon Labe".
Secession in the middle of this crazy continent isn't what I'd see as success. Tom Palin had the right idea in Alaska. It would stand a decent chance of being its own nation, as Hawaii would. We at least need coastline for imports and defense.
In your hearts, you know he's right.
Here are some ideas in no particular order:
1) Alaska: Sparsly populated, lots of natural resources, secessionist support already present. Big con is that the feds wouldn't let this state go without a fight. Too much $$.
2) Oregon/Northern California
3) Montana or Wyoming: Big problem is that they are landlocked and don't have very good agriculture.
4) North Dakota and/or South Dakota: Eastern part of the states have agriculture. THey are landlocked though. Big plus is you might have strong ally with the Indian tribes.
5) Texas: Good location but the large population would make this very difficult, if not impossible.
6) Mississippi: This state always seems to have the most rebel tendencies.
7) Vermont: Has a strong secession movement already...problem is they are a socialist secession movement.
8) New Hampshire: Get rid of the transplanted Beantowners and it would be more realistic.
9) Canadian territories: Northern Canada has little/no population. If you could get people there quickly, you could take it over before the government knows what's going on. Problem is you'd have to find ways to smuggle guns in the country.
Personally, I'd include mountains as important as access to an ocean.
Although I'll have to research the subject more, Montana seems to have a good variety of agricultural products necessary to sustain human life.
Only for defense. We'd need egress and import capabilities. Else we'll have to deal with other states and the Fed for rights of passage.
In your hearts, you know he's right.
Alaska is the place (however unlikely).
Not to mention that you need the ability to grow your own food or else you'll be begging for table scraps.
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