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    I'm hoping some of the economic theory experts can help me out in my understanding of Keynesian Economic Theory. I've always been a huge advocate for the free market, even before I was aware of Austrian theory. It just always seemed to make sense to me, and given our current economic "turmoil," reading Rothbards "Economic Depressions: Their*Cause*and*Cure" seemed to make perfect sense. Which begs the question:

    Why do so many intellectuals buy into the Keynesian theory of expanding government and the money supply to "effectively" manage economic growth?

    I read Rothbard's "Spotlight on Keynesian Economics," but it really didn't answer my questions, I think it's just a little to abstract. I did a little internet searching and came across this article:

    A REVIEW OF KEYNESIAN THEORY

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Keynesianism.htm

    This article seems to present pretty persuasive evidence in support of Keynesian theory. My question is, how do we as advocates of the free market explain the following items:

    During the 70s, monetarism reached the peak of its popularity among conservative economists. Today, however, Friedman stands virtually alone among top economists in his belief that it contains any merit. Monetarism was tried in Great Britain during the 80s and it proved to be a disaster. For almost seven years, the Bank of England tried its best to make it work. According to monetarist theory, the British economy should have enjoyed low inflation and high stability. But in fact, it went berserk. The economy sank into a deep recession, while the lead economic indicators zigged and zagged. Although inflation came down, this was at the price of rising unemployment, which soared from 5.4 to 11.8 percent. Between 1979 and 1984, manufacturing output fell 10 percent, and manufacturing investment fell 30 percent. Eventually, the Bank of England came under overwhelming pressure to abandon monetarism, which it did in 1986. The experiment was such a failure that not even conservatives abroad wish to repeat it.
    In seven short years, under massive Keynesian spending, the U.S. went from the greatest depression it has ever known to the greatest economic boom it has ever known. The success of Keynesian economics was so resounding that almost all capitalist governments around the world adopted its policies. And the result seems to be nothing less than the extinction of the economic depression! Before World War II, eight U.S. recessions worsened into depressions (as happened in 1807, 1837, 1873, 1882, 1893, 1920, 1933, and 1937). Since World War II, under Keynesian policies, there have been nine recessions (1945-46, 1949, 1954, 1956, 1960-61, 1970, 1973-75, 1980-83, 1990-92 ), and not one has turned into a depression. The success of Keynesian economics was such that even Richard Nixon once declared, "We are all Keynesians now."
    My ultimate goal is here is to try and be able to articulate and explain to others exactly why Keynesian theory is flawed and has led to economic turmoil. I understand why the Austrian theory appears logically sound, but what I don't understand is why most intellectuals do not?


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    they buy into it because they are stupid. They see immediate results and attribute it to their economic meddling, but once the meddling blows up in their face (and it always does), they claim they didn't meddle enough. They completely ignore the fallout was their fault, as they are doing right now. They create inflationary booms and when the bust comes, they blame it on the free market. Furthermore, Austrians are hard advocates of "tough medicine". The idea of allowing people to suffer pain is not politically acceptable while the idea of bailing everyone out is. Consequently, the tough pain yields a healthier economy while the bailing out kills it.

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    they buy into it because they are stupid.
    I disagree, they aren't stupid, they might be ignorant or oblivious, but I can't buy into the idea that the vast majority of economists out there today are idiots. I would hope that there are sound reasons why they all buy into Keynes, and I really want to understand what they are so that I can explain to non-Libertarian folks why Keynesian theory isn't working better than the free market would.

    The idea of allowing people to suffer pain is not politically acceptable while the idea of bailing everyone out is. Consequently, the tough pain yields a healthier economy while the bailing out kills it.
    This is a great point.

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    I went to try to educate an economics professor on the gold standard. They are stupid. He tried to bring up examples of how we need government meddling and every problem that he tried to offer a solution to only came about because of government intervention. They lack an understanding of cause and effect plus what oakman said.

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    What is Britain's monetary system if it is not monetarism? They have the strongest currency in the world right now. It worth about double what our dollar is worth.

    I think the reason economists follow Keynesian economics is for the same reason that the status quo belief in this country is that the government should help everyone. Economists aren't really any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrwiizrd View Post
    I'm hoping some of the economic theory experts can help me out in my understanding of Keynesian Economic Theory. I've always been a huge advocate for the free market, even before I was aware of Austrian theory. It just always seemed to make sense to me, and given our current economic "turmoil," reading Rothbards "Economic Depressions: Their*Cause*and*Cure" seemed to make perfect sense. Which begs the question:

    Why do so many intellectuals buy into the Keynesian theory of expanding government and the money supply to "effectively" manage economic growth?

    I read Rothbard's "Spotlight on Keynesian Economics," but it really didn't answer my questions, I think it's just a little to abstract. I did a little internet searching and came across this article:

    A REVIEW OF KEYNESIAN THEORY

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Keynesianism.htm

    This article seems to present pretty persuasive evidence in support of Keynesian theory. My question is, how do we as advocates of the free market explain the following items:

    My ultimate goal is here is to try and be able to articulate and explain to others exactly why Keynesian theory is flawed and has led to economic turmoil. I understand why the Austrian theory appears logically sound, but what I don't understand is why most intellectuals do not?
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    My main problem with Kenyesian economics is the arguement that consumption drives the economy. They don't and will not grasp the fact that savings will ultimately bring us economic success.

    Most see that savings slows consumption (obviously), which in the short term slows the economy, but they need to look more into the long term. Savings turns into investments...and some believe they should be seperate.

    I also don't agree with this:

    Keynesians believe that in conditions of economy-wide
    unemployment, idle factories, and unsold merchandise, price and
    wages will not adjust downward to their market-clearing
    levels—or that they will not adjust quickly enough, or that the
    market process through which such adjustments are made works
    perversely as falling prices and falling wages feed on one
    another.

    Keynesians believe that long-run expectations, which have
    no basis in reality in any case, are subject to unexpected change.
    Economic prosperity is based on baseless optimism; economic
    depression, on baseless pessimism.

    In the Keynesian vision, a change in the interest rate has
    little effect on (aggregate) investment. In other words, the
    demand for investable resources is interest inelastic—a
    judgment that reflects the Keynesians’ short-run orientation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrwiizrd View Post
    I disagree, they aren't stupid, they might be ignorant or oblivious, but I can't buy into the idea that the vast majority of economists out there today are idiots. I would hope that there are sound reasons why they all buy into Keynes, and I really want to understand what they are so that I can explain to non-Libertarian folks why Keynesian theory isn't working better than the free market would.



    This is a great point.
    Ignorant and oblivious? Sounds like stupid to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShannonOBrien View Post
    What is Britain's monetary system if it is not monetarism? They have the strongest currency in the world right now. It worth about double what our dollar is worth.

    I think the reason economists follow Keynesian economics is for the same reason that the status quo belief in this country is that the government should help everyone. Economists aren't really any different.
    umm, just because they have the highest ratio to the dollar doesn't mean they are the strongest currency. By that logic, the yen must suck.

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    If you want some pure Austrian perspective; head over to the Mises Institute forum... simple copy and paste would suffice for your thread.

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