Why is Barr being so dense!

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

God $#@!ing damnit.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...ry/726125.html

"Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr said he has a scheduling conflict, but debate organizers say he wanted to appear only with Nader."

There is a gaping philosophical maw between Chuck Baldwin and McKinney/Nader that needs to be filled. Bob is an $#@!, but we strict, Misesian libertarians need the representation!

[TER]

Wow. All I can say is WOW. It's like he is deliberatly trying to ruin the party.

[Captain Bryan]

I'm still voting for him.. I just wish he wasn't such a jackass.

[Highland]

he likes that CIA power and control thing.....watch out...so did papa Bush and baby boy Bush. That, "Cowboy Wannabe" Problem combined with PC issues...has been lethal to our youth.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

If Ron Paul were a moderator, or something, that gap could be somewhat filled.

[Ben2008]

It makes perfect sense for him not to attend. A candidate should not debate people that are very much lower in the polls than he is. That only popularizes them and gives them an opportunity to take votes away from him. It doesn't make political sense. It would only make sense for Barr to debate someone with roughly equal support, such as Nader, or someone with greater support. For the same reason, it wouldn't make good political sense for McCain and Obama to debate Barr voluntarily, because it would hurt McCain and Obama.

[New York For Paul]

All these guys are so far down in the polls, they need to generate publicity by getting together.

[TER]

It makes perfect sense for him not to attend. A candidate should not debate people that are very much lower in the polls than he is. That only popularizes them and gives them an opportunity to take votes away from him. It doesn't make political sense. It would only make sense for Barr to debate someone with roughly equal support, such as Nader, or someone with greater support. For the same reason, it wouldn't make good political sense for McCain and Obama to debate Barr voluntarily, because it would hurt McCain and Obama.

That might make sense if Barr had any chance of winning.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

It's only two more people though, both of whom belong to national contenders.

Though they fall into generalized pairs, though, far left and far right. Some sort of merger should be in place, but that isn't reason to abandon a chance for publicity.

I mean, think about it in market terms. If Bob Barr is truly the best candidate, he would naturally rise to the top (yes, I know this doesn't apply to the major parties, but the thirds are a bit different in this sense). This shows a lack of confidence in his own ability.

[New York For Paul]

the election will be over in weeks and candidates can start planning for 2012

[GunnyFreedom]

Wow. All I can say is WOW. It's like he is deliberatly trying to ruin the party.

+1 I thought that about him right up front when everybody still liked him. I thought he was a "let's kill the LP off" plant. I haven't liked him from day 1.

[Truth Warrior]

Perhaps just because he IS so dense?

[moostraks]

+1 I thought that about him right up front when everybody still liked him. I thought he was a "let's kill the LP off" plant. I haven't liked him from day 1.

exactly....

[DAFTEK]

I found out last night Chuck Baldwin is on the Iowa ballot so I'm just exited that i can vote for someone i actually like, Bob Barr to me was the lesser "evil" I cant understand why would anyone vote for the dushbag if Baldwin is on their ballot

[LibertyEagle]

It makes perfect sense for him not to attend. A candidate should not debate people that are very much lower in the polls than he is. That only popularizes them and gives them an opportunity to take votes away from him. It doesn't make political sense. It would only make sense for Barr to debate someone with roughly equal support, such as Nader, or someone with greater support. For the same reason, it wouldn't make good political sense for McCain and Obama to debate Barr voluntarily, because it would hurt McCain and Obama.

Isn't this the same type of BS that the 2 major parties use as an excuse for why they won't debate a 3rd party?

Perhaps we should walk our talk.

[LibertyEagle]

the election will be over in weeks and candidates can start planning for 2012

This is SO frustrating. We are NOT going to win this from the top down. Haven't you heard Ron Paul say that multiple times? If we stand a chance, it's going to have to be from the bottom on up.

[TruthisTreason]

Bob Barr has cost the Lib party more than one new member. I'm not very happy with Baldwin on the War on Drugs or Internet issues.

[FindLiberty]

I never liked BB. I don't trust him... especially after these bad decisions. Can they be called deliberate actions to lower his vote %s?

I do want the LP to gain ground with voter education (the Liberty message) and reach 5% for ballot access in future elections.

Therefore, I'll have to vote for the Libertarian candidate(s). (unfortunately that happens to be Bob Barr. Bob Barr does not have to worry about winning the 2008 election ...and neither do we.

IMO, the CP is dangerous to the USA and dangerous to religion because there is too much overlap consistently proposed between God and state. Any politician that talks about imposing personal freedom prohibitions has to be rejected for the sake of Liberty because freedom is the unique trait that allows so much success in our nation. The state wants to be our god and that would be a bad, so lets not blend the two together voluntarily. The state is way too big now and the fiat/fed must be abolished ASAP after it's replaced with the sound money specified in the U.S. Constitution.

[mitty]

he likes that CIA power and control thing.....watch out...so did papa Bush and baby boy Bush. That, "Cowboy Wannabe" Problem combined with PC issues...has been lethal to our youth.

+million

[libertarian4321]

God $#@!ing damnit.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...ry/726125.html

"Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr said he has a scheduling conflict, but debate organizers say he wanted to appear only with Nader."

There is a gaping philosophical maw between Chuck Baldwin and McKinney/Nader that needs to be filled. Bob is an $#@!, but we strict, Misesian libertarians need the representation!

I've voted Libertarian for President in the past 3 elections, and I really want to do so again, but Barr makes it impossible- he's such as $#@!!

What happened to the Libertarian Party that nominated good men like Harry Browne?

[silverhawks]

It's pretty obvious that Barr operates according to one agenda - his own.

The thing that Ron Paul had going for him was his integrity, honesty and his obvious dedication to serving the public, as well as a genuine desire to educate and enlighten people.

By comparison, Barr comes across as a used-car salesman who you wouldn't trust with lunch money.

[beerista]

...we strict, Misesian libertarians need the representation!

And you're getting this representation from Barr???

[bojo68]

It makes perfect sense for him not to attend. A candidate should not debate people that are very much lower in the polls than he is. That only popularizes them and gives them an opportunity to take votes away from him. It doesn't make political sense. It would only make sense for Barr to debate someone with roughly equal support, such as Nader, or someone with greater support. For the same reason, it wouldn't make good political sense for McCain and Obama to debate Barr voluntarily, because it would hurt McCain and Obama.

Well it might not make political sense, but it damn sure makes moral and intellectual sense, that obviously many of these candidates don't possess. Personally, I think that any candidate that subscribes to the above lack or reasoning deserves NO votes, period.

[Brassmouth]

And you're getting this representation from Barr???

Yes. Your point?

[demolama]

I do want the LP to gain ground with voter education (the Liberty message) and reach 5% for ballot access in future elections.

Therefore, I'll have to vote for the Libertarian candidate(s). (unfortunately that happens to be Bob Barr. Bob Barr does not have to worry about winning the 2008 election ...and neither do we.

My biggest fear is that we do something for this reason the LP might take it as "we like more candidates like Barr and less like Browne." Last thing I want is to turn the LP into the Republican Lite Party. That's what the CP is for.

[Brassmouth]

My biggest fear is that we do something for this reason the LP might take it as "we like more candidates like Barr and less like Browne." Last thing I want is to turn the LP into the Republican Lite Party. That's what the CP is for.

Barr was purely for name recognition, imo. I'm sure next year they'll nominate someone less controversial.

[libertarian4321]

Barr was purely for name recognition, imo. I'm sure next year they'll nominate someone less controversial.

Next time, the real Libertarians like myself will be back (unless the Republican Party changes) and will get the party back on track.

[georgiaboy]

Barr was purely for name recognition, imo. I'm sure next year they'll nominate someone less controversial.

How's his name recognition helping in the polls this year compared to 2004, other election cycles, for the LP?

From what I can gather, as much as we may not like it, his and the LP strategy may just be paying off.

[Gaius1981]

It makes perfect sense for him not to attend. A candidate should not debate people that are very much lower in the polls than he is. That only popularizes them and gives them an opportunity to take votes away from him. It doesn't make political sense. It would only make sense for Barr to debate someone with roughly equal support, such as Nader, or someone with greater support. For the same reason, it wouldn't make good political sense for McCain and Obama to debate Barr voluntarily, because it would hurt McCain and Obama.

I absolutely agree with this logic.

[Charles Wilson]

Why is Barr being so dense!

Well it is most likely genetics but I think he had to work at it to get this bad. Can't blame that on his ancesters )