Have you watched "Overview of America" yet?

[hypnagogue]

Would you rather have a King or a mob-rule Democracy creating and changing moral laws?

How about neither? I'm not even sure what you're getting at with that question.

[TruthisTreason]

Where does the JBS stand on the War on Drugs?

You are advertising them in your sig, you tell me. I've tried to get a clear answer and failed.

[FrankRep]

You are advertising them in your sig, you tell me. I've tried to get a clear answer and failed.

First of all, drug legality is a State Issue not a federal issue. The JBS would agree that the federal "War on Drugs" is ineffective and a huge waste of money. Each state would have its own drug laws like some states making all drugs legal or just making marijuana legal or making all drugs illegal. Each state would have its own flavor of laws on drugs.

The JBS, as individuals not as a collective group, tend to lean toward Ron Paul's view of drugs. They recognize that certain drugs are unhealthy and addictive for the body and wish lead healthy lives, but wouldn't support a federal law banning drugs.

Ron Paul says he hates drugs and even chooses not to drink alcohol, but he feels we must make that choice for ourselves.

[RevolutionSD]

I don't like the JBS's anti-gay views, or their pro-statist views when it comes to "enforcing the border" or taxing people to pay for a military.

[Paulitician]

So this is a JBS propaganda flick? Meh, don't feel a need to watch, I'll probably know where the video is headed anyway as I watch it.

[FrankRep]

So this is a JBS propaganda flick? Meh, don't feel a need to watch, I'll probably know where the video is headed anyway as I watch it.

It's a pro-Republic, pro-Capitalist, and pro-Constitution propaganda film.
(anti-Democracy, anti-Communism/Socialism, and anti-Globalism)

[devil21]

Thanks for bumping the thread up for a good video. I also agree that the religious overtones were a bit much and I don't believe that religion is a requirement for a constitutional republic to function properly. I am a "moral" person yet I am not religious in any form. In fact, considering history (as well as current events...Gaza anyone?), one could argue that religion is the cause of much of the world's ills and always has been. Religion does not equal morality. Self-righteousness maybe but not morality. Religious people usually have no problem "forgetting" their morals in order to further their agenda, whatever it may be. "Thou shalt not kill"....unless it's only Muslims....

Anyway, other than that it's a very good video.

[Leadman584]

As an Agnostic at worst and Atheist at best, I don't get worked up about the Christian message. This film makes many good points, just kinda veers off in the end. I'm siding with Jefferson on that point.

[Eric21ND]

Doesn't society need a solid moral foundation?

"Morality" or humaness existed long before religion did, especially in the organized way you understand it. There is archaeological evidence of such behavior like humans caring for injured companions, even though the effort for doing so placed much greater needs on the group/tribe and the injured person was clearly more of a hinderance than benefit to group survival. You might scoff at this insight as being cold-hearted by todays standards, but circa Africa 90,000BCE willingly taking on the care of another individual could've spelled your doom quite easily, which makes it all the more remarkable. Therefore, I find your claim that "moral foundation" stems in any way from religion demonstratably false and rather presumptuous.

[Eric21ND]

I really like both the JBS and the Constitution Party. However, it's their stubborn attachment to stressing a certain religion and distasteful aspects of social conservatism (like the drug war) that keeps me from being 100% on board. I really hope this is something Ron Paulians currently involved with these groups will be able to change.

That is exactly what turns me off also. Libertarian party for me till another Ron Paul sweeps me off my feet.

[RevolutionSD]

That is exactly what turns me off also. Libertarian party for me till another Ron Paul sweeps me off my feet.

The LP is dead.

We need to forget about parties and candidates and act as individuals. We have not achieved 1 ounce of freedom through political parties and never will. We've tried the easy root (trying to elect a libertarian to office). Now it's time to suck it up and take individual action (civil disobedience).

[TruthisTreason]

First of all, drug legality is a State Issue not a federal issue. The JBS would agree that the federal "War on Drugs" is ineffective and a huge waste of money. Each state would have its own drug laws like some states making all drugs legal or just making marijuana legal or making all drugs illegal. Each state would have its own flavor of laws on drugs.

The JBS, as individuals not as a collective group, tend to lean toward Ron Paul's view of drugs. They recognize that certain drugs are unhealthy and addictive for the body and wish lead healthy lives, but wouldn't support a federal law banning drugs.

Ron Paul says he hates drugs and even chooses not to drink alcohol, but he feels we must make that choice for ourselves.

Well, if what you say is true, then why doesn't JBS put out a statement? Put it on their platform, or write an article showing how screwed the drug war is in their magazine they send me every month? I've been watching JBS for a little while now and never have I seen one piece of evidence that they oppose THE FEDERAL DRUG WAR. If you know of something, please shoot me a link.

Otherwise, realize that you trying to spin it for JBS.

You claim they have a similar stance to Ron Paul. Big difference Ron WALKS THE WALK! I do hear him openly opposing the War on Drugs!

Besides the drug war and the communism Russia fears; I like what JBS stands for.

[FrankRep]

Well, if what you say is true, then why doesn't JBS put out a statement? Put it on their platform, or write an article showing how screwed the drug war is in their magazine they send me every month? I've been watching JBS for a little while now and never have I seen one piece of evidence that they oppose THE FEDERAL DRUG WAR. If you know of something, please shoot me a link.

Otherwise, realize that you trying to spin it for JBS.

You claim they have a similar stance to Ron Paul. Big difference Ron WALKS THE WALK! I do hear him openly opposing the War on Drugs!

Besides the drug war and the communism Russia fears; I like what JBS stands for.

Why haven't the JBS put out a statement about drugs? There are bigger issues at hand like the Federal Reserve, North American Union, and United Nations/Global Government. These are top priority issues for the JBS.

[LibertyEagle]

why haven't the jbs put out a statement about drugs? There are bigger issues at hand like the federal reserve, north american union, and united nations/global government. These are top priority issues for the jbs.

qft

[BuddyRey]

There's a lot of good stuff in there, but a few misnomers and thought-eliminating cliches too.

The JBS is a pretty good organization for smaller-gov't conservatives. I wish there was a similarly well-organized and well-funded organization for Individualist Anarchists.

[LibertyEagle]

I just wish we'd all get involved with something to actually DO something to take back our government, before we have absolutely no chance AT ALL. We seem to continue to just split hairs and in-fight more than we do to actually take steps to fix anything.

[TruthisTreason]

Why haven't the JBS put out a statement about drugs? There are bigger issues at hand like the Federal Reserve, North American Union, and United Nations/Global Government. These are top priority issues for the JBS.

There is plenty of room in their newsletter and magazine every month for a small article (not to mention their website). Pretty sad you are trying to imply their position now by steering the argument as not important when compared to The FED, NAU, UN, etc.

Anyway, I agree no need to split hairs. But, this clearly (in my eyes) shows JBS doesn't have THE COMPLETE PICTURE, and shouldn't expect a dime from me ANYMORE> The War on Drugs is a serious issue to me!

[LibertyEagle]

Anyway, I agree no need to split hairs. But, this clearly (in my eyes) shows JBS doesn't have THE COMPLETE PICTURE, and shouldn't expect a dime from me ANYMORE> The War on Drugs is a serious issue to me!

Oh geez. That's right, the JBS is the enemy and are the ones destroying our country. By all means, let us take pot shots at them, because they don't adequately espouse drug use. You know, I'm against the drug war as much as anyone, but sometimes I wonder how many are against it on principle and the fact that it is used by government as an excuse to expand both in size and scope, or whether it is because some of us just want to lay around and smoke pot. I'm doubtful that pot will be readily available when we're all sitting in a gulag, so we just might want to look beyond just this one issue.

[FrankRep]

There is plenty of room in their newsletter and magazine every month for a small article (not to mention their website). Pretty sad you are trying to imply their position now by steering the argument as not important when compared to The FED, NAU, UN, etc.

Anyway, I agree no need to split hairs. But, this clearly (in my eyes) shows JBS doesn't have THE COMPLETE PICTURE, and shouldn't expect a dime from me ANYMORE> The War on Drugs is a serious issue to me!

We all need to choose our battles. If you view the right to use cocaine or heroine more important than fighting the Federal reserve, that's your choice. Good luck with that.

[TruthisTreason]

Oh geez. That's right, the JBS is the enemy and are the ones destroying our country. By all means, let us take pot shots at them, because they don't adequately espouse drug use. You know, I'm against the drug war as much as anyone, but sometimes I wonder how many are against it on principle and the fact that it is used by government as an excuse to expand both in size and scope, or whether it is because some of us just want to lay around and smoke pot. I'm doubtful that pot will be readily available when we're all sitting in a gulag, so we just might want to look beyond just this one issue.

Oh geez, all the more reason an organization like JBS needs to speak up about Federal Government using the Drug War as a way to gain power over the states. Oh geez, I'm so cool!

[TruthisTreason]

We all need to choose our battles. If you view the right to use cocaine or heroine more important than fighting the Federal reserve, that's your choice. Good luck with that.

You miss the argument.

[FrankRep]

You miss the argument.

It's a matter of priorities. Drug use is low priority.

[TruthisTreason]

It's a matter of priorities. Drug use is low priority.

It has nothing to do with drug use and everything to do about States Rights and Personal Liberty. Those are things you claim to care about, have you forgot those? You know the BILL OF RIGHTS!

[LibertyEagle]

Oh geez, all the more reason an organization like JBS needs to speak up about Federal Government using the Drug War as a way to gain power over the states. Oh geez, I'm so cool!

That would be great and all, but I don't see it as a reason to turn my back on them. What's more, I haven't really asked them their rationale for not doing so. It very well could be that they are choosing their battles. We all have hot issues, but I guess to me anyway, we can stay stirring around at the bottom here nitpicking with each other and taking pot shots at organizations WHO ARE trying to fight the fight, or we can get involved with something that most closely fits our own principles and START FIGHTING. Whether that is the JBS, the C4L, or some other organization entirely.

[TruthisTreason]

That would be great and all, but I don't see it as a reason to turn my back on them. What's more, I haven't really asked them their rationale for not doing so. It very well could be that they are choosing their battles. We all have hot issues, but I guess to me anyway, we can stay stirring around at the bottom here nitpicking with each other and taking pot shots at organizations WHO ARE trying to fight the fight, or we can get involved with something that most closely fits our own principles and START FIGHTING. Whether that is the JBS, the C4L, or some other organization entirely.

As a paying member of JBS, I have ground to stand on with my complaints! JBS supports states rights but fails to mention the Drug War being an example. That doesn't smell fishy to others? It's about consistency, it's about applying these ideas of liberty to all issue the same, not picking and choosing them based on what is political correct. You have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk!

[FrankRep]

It has nothing to do with drug use and everything to do about States Rights and Personal Liberty. Those are things you claim to care about, have you forgot those? You know the BILL OF RIGHTS!

Right now we have little states rights or personal liberty. We have to fight to get our rights back bit by bit. What rights are more important is the question?

[TruthisTreason]

Right now we have little states rights or personal liberty. We have to fight to get our rights back bit by bit. What rights are more important is the question?

Sounds like the Republican Party mantra. Just support the lesser of two evils! Vote McCain.

ALL MY RIGHTS ARE IMPORTANT!

[LibertyEagle]

As a paying member of JBS, I have ground to stand on with my complaints! JBS supports states rights but fails to mention the Drug War being an example. That doesn't smell fishy to others? It's about consistency, it's about applying these ideas of liberty to all issue the same, not picking and choosing them based on what is political correct. You have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk!

I didn't realize you were a member. Have you talked to your regional coordinator about this and if so, what did they say?

[TruthisTreason]

I didn't realize you were a member. Have you talked to your regional coordinator about this and if so, what did they say?

I joined because I liked most of what they stood for. After being a member for a year I can clearly see some things I don't like. Over the past year noticing they fail to mention the drug war as an issue at all, troubled me. Reasons they should mention it: Personal liberty, theft by state, states rights, drug war leads to the growth of "the state", medical reasons, etc... I could care less about the person who wants to "smoke pot" all day or "shoot up"; that misses the point.

Another thing I noticed was when the little battle with Russia and the American supported puppet, they threw all the facts out the window and went after the Commies. True, the mentioned something about possibly faulty info in the editorial of the next issue of the mag they put out. I'm assuming they got some hate mail! I'm hoping for the same on the drug war issue. If JBS is going to be a BIG leader of the "freedom movement" or whatever name someone is using, they need to get the message right! You can't say you support states rights and fail to oppose the drug war, in my eyes.

I guess my disappointment lies with whomever is in charge of the media wing of JBS, they are obviously tainted the stories to fit their "agenda/message" and to me that agenda isn't on point.


Liberty Eagle,

To now answer your question: I don't know who my regional coordinator is.

[FrankRep]

I joined because I liked most of what they stood for. After being a member for a year I can clearly see some things I don't like. Over the past year noticing they fail to mention the drug war as an issue at all, troubled me. Reasons they should mention it: Personal liberty, theft by state, states rights, drug war leads to the growth of "the state", medical reasons, etc... I could care less about the person who wants to "smoke pot" all day or "shoot up"; that misses the point.

Another thing I noticed was when the little battle with Russia and the American supported puppet, they threw all the facts out the window and went after the Commies. True, the mentioned something about possibly faulty info in the editorial of the next issue of the mag they put out. I'm assuming they got some hate mail! I'm hoping for the same on the drug war issue. If JBS is going to be a BIG leader of the "freedom movement" or whatever name someone is using, they need to get the message right! You can't say you support states rights and fail to oppose the drug war, in my eyes.

I guess my disappointment lies with whomever is in charge of the media wing of JBS, they are obviously tainted the stories to fit their "agenda/message" and to me that agenda isn't on point.


Liberty Eagle,

To now answer your question: I don't know who my regional coordinator is.

I approached the head editor of the New American magazine at the JBS 50th celebration about the Russia/Georgia conflict article being biased. The writer was viewing the long term conflict between Russia and Georgia and not just the recent event. I can see why you could question the integrity of the New American because of that one article. Just remember though, neither Russia or Georgia is a friend of liberty.

You can join more than one group. Join a group that specializes on drug legalization.

Who is stopping you from writing an article and submitting it to the JBS/New American? They may or may not publish it depending on what the issue is about.