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    Default Please send this to ALL Military members

    During the Rally For The Republic I was approached at least a
    half dozen times and asked for an interview (because I sang the
    anthem) My standard answer was

    "I'm sorry but regulations prohibit me from talking to you"

    I also left right after the rally instead of staying and checking
    out the protests the next day.

    During my time there I got to meet a couple awesome patriots
    from my home state of TN, they introduced me to Adam Kokesh.
    Adam convinced me to check out Iraq Vetrans Against the War and
    told me that if I was concerned about publicity I could join
    privately. I did so shortly after returning home.

    I just got a members packet a few days back - after having read
    some of the information in it I am ANGRY. Angry at myself for
    believing what I had been told - that is that I had to settle
    for not speaking out.

    PLEASE send these links (and this story if you'd like) to all
    service members or friends of service members you know.


    http://www.objector.org/girights/GIR...ian050314b.pdf
    http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/132506p.pdf

    My favorite quote from the dod directive linked above - emphasis
    is mine.
    -
    3.5.6. Off-Post Demonstrations by Members. Members of the Armed
    Forces are prohibited from participating in off-post demonstrations
    when they are on-duty, in a foreign country, when their activities
    constitute a breach of law and order, when violence is likely
    to result, or when they are in uniform-
    -
    I'm going to follow regulations - but I now KNOW the regulations
    and what I'm allowed to do within them - I challenge any military
    member that reads this to read the regulations for yourself -
    they may be VASTLY different that you have been led to believe.

    Disclaimer
    I am not a lawyer, this is NOT legal advice.
    None of the above is the official stance of the US Air Force.
    I am speaking as an individual under my first amendment rights.
    Last edited by afmatt; 10-12-2008 at 04:18 PM.
    Disclaimer
    Nothing I post is the official stance of the US Air Force. I am speaking as an individual under my first amendment rights.


    Change for the sake of change but not doing the right thing is pure folly. Our Revolution must prevail. And it will!
    Ron Paul



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    I'm going to follow regulations - but I now KNOW the regulations
    and what I'm allowed to do within them - I challenge any military
    member that reads this to read the regulations for yourself -
    they may be VASTLY different that you have been led to believe.
    http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/share.../AFI51-902.pdf

    Pretty much everything worth doing is against the rules. The Air Force instruction on political activities is far more strict than the DOD instruction. To be quite honest you've probably already broken a few........ Of course, I'm not hypocrite so i'm not criticizing.

    You aren't the first guy in the military here bud, and I'm sure you won't be the last.
    Last edited by Dequeant; 10-11-2008 at 06:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dequeant View Post
    http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/share.../AFI51-902.pdf

    Pretty much everything worth doing is against the rules. The Air Force instruction on political activities is far more strict than the DOD instruction. To be quite honest you've probably already broken a few........ Of course, I'm not hypocrite so i'm not criticizing.

    You aren't the first guy in the military here bud, and I'm sure you won't be the last.
    Yep - I've read 51-902, and lived in the gray areas (few that they are) in it for the past year or so, believe that if it came down to it some parts of that could be successfully challenged on a constitutional basis but thankfully I've not had to fight that fight. Key phrasing in it is Partisan Vs Non-Partisan. Thankfully the CFL is a Non-Partisan entity. I've actually even got some kudos from my current leadership for being active in the CFL and respecting the limits. This post was intended as a launching point to get any closet military members we have on here reading up if they haven't already.

    Hmmm - do DOD regs trump the service regs?
    Disclaimer
    Nothing I post is the official stance of the US Air Force. I am speaking as an individual under my first amendment rights.


    Change for the sake of change but not doing the right thing is pure folly. Our Revolution must prevail. And it will!
    Ron Paul

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    Hmmm - do DOD regs trump the service regs?
    Negative. Service regs may place more restrictions, but can never be more lenient.

    Take this from a QA inspector whose job it is to interpret regulations 9 hours a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dequeant View Post
    Negative. Service regs may place more restrictions, but can never be more lenient.

    Take this from a QA inspector whose job it is to interpret regulations 9 hours a day.
    Gotcha. Thanks.

    Did some more reading AFI 51-903 is the AF version of the DOD instruction - it follows pretty close to the DOD reg.
    Disclaimer
    Nothing I post is the official stance of the US Air Force. I am speaking as an individual under my first amendment rights.


    Change for the sake of change but not doing the right thing is pure folly. Our Revolution must prevail. And it will!
    Ron Paul






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