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    We are the enemy.

    Following up on some of the police state and martial law stories that have been posted, here's another glaring example of just who the enemy really is.

    [We face] face new security challenges influenced by the effects of globalization, especially in failing states (like ours - AF) and in ungoverned areas.... Radicalism influenced by extremist ideologies (like liberty, peace and freedom - AF) and separatist movements (like the ones that are popping up in states all across the country - AF) will remain attractive to those who feel threatened and victimized by the cultural and economic impacts of globalization...."

    Army Modernization Plan 2008 - front page

    http://www.army.mil/institution/lead...lan/index.html

    So, now, it appears that it is out in the open, our army is the spearhead for worldwide "globalization" efforts, otherwise know as the New World Order.

    And, since most of us here are opposed to the "cultural and economic impacts of globalization", then it would seem that enemy is us.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-07-2008 at 11:11 PM.
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    Enemy of the State.

    I take absolute pride in every single word.

    Currently self-proclaimed, but eventually I hope to work towards recognition... in the toppling of this profound evil.

    We're literally in the middle on amazingly "interesting times" accordingly to my socialist govt bus relations lecturer... [said with a smile, as he goes on to proclaim capitalism is failing]

    We've all got to fight this esoteric agenda.. For it is a battle of ideas... A revolution of ideas; as Ron Paul has said.

    We have truth on our side. Now is not the time to stand down; it is the time to stand up.

    Edit: ^ above.. Yep, yep.
    “I will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison

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    Conza, why do you even bother? lol.
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    I Am A Sunshine Patriot!

    I'm what Thomas Paine called a Sunshine Patriot or Summer Soldier.
    I don't want to risk my life for a bunch of *semi-* and *unbelievably stupid* people (ie. the people who laughed at Ron Paul, or call us *Paultards*).
    Normally, it's not a good idea to call people "stupid", so let's just say they were educated in publak scools.

    I just want to be left alone...
    Is there a moral obligation to fight for freedom?
    Why?...
    To help others?

    Thomas Paine knew how to motivate the radicals; These days, you need the millions of Sunshine Patriots to succeed. How can we help you, without risking getting sent to FEMA camp?
    No one here wanted to be the Billionaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And, since most of us here are opposed to the "cultural and economic impacts of globalization", then it would seem that enemy is us.
    We've been the enemy since almost the beginning of time....this struggle has endured for thousands of years. I'm glad to see people finally seeing what has alway been. That's the first step toward corrective action.


    During a "fireside chat" at Google's Mountain View, CA headquarters between CEO Eric Schmidt and Henry Kissinger, Henry subtly mentions (at minute 49:00 in the video) that the:

    "new president will have unusual opportunity to construct a new international system........ it is a huge challenge, but it doesn't often happen in history that things are so fluid."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eM_z4vRxrA
    The Naked Capitalist (p113):

    The current strategy of the Establishment is to
    create revolution, violence and
    extremely serious social dislocation at the bottom
    while creating an ever-increasing pressure at the top for
    monolithic powers by demanding that the executive branch
    of the Federal government be given massive power to
    "solve" all these problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Vidual View Post
    Is there a moral obligation to fight for freedom?
    Why?...
    To help others?
    Some would say that there is no true life without either freedom or love in helping others.
    +
    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist
    [We face] face new security challenges influenced by the effects of globalization, especially in failing states (like ours) and in ungoverned areas.... Radicalism influenced by extremist ideologies (like liberty, peace and freedom) and separatist movements (like the ones that are popping in in states all across the country) will remain attractive to those who feel threatened and victimized by the cultural and economic impacts of globalization...."
    I'm not finding this passage on the site you linked to. Help?

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    This is just $#@!ed up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Following up on some of the police state and martial law stories that have been posted, here's another glaring example of just who the enemy really is.

    [We face] face new security challenges influenced by the effects of globalization, especially in failing states (like ours) and in ungoverned areas.... Radicalism influenced by extremist ideologies (like liberty, peace and freedom) and separatist movements (like the ones that are popping in in states all across the country) will remain attractive to those who feel threatened and victimized by the cultural and economic impacts of globalization...."

    Army Modernization Plan 2008 - front page

    http://www.army.mil/institution/lead...lan/index.html

    So, now, it appears that it is out in the open, our army is the spearhead for worldwide "globalization" efforts, otherwise know as the New World Order.

    And, since most of us here are opposed to the "cultural and economic impacts of globalization", then it would seem that enemy is us.
    http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

    Thomas Jefferson

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Benjamin Franklin



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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    I'm not finding this passage on the site you linked to. Help?
    Scroll down on the page and link to the .pdf file marked:

    Army Modernization Strategy 2008
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Hope at least a portion of the boys and girls in uniform haven't gone beyond the pale, and come back to the side of light when the $#@! goes down.

    I happen to think some of them will(hopefully 30% or greater).

    pappy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    then it would seem that enemy is us.

    "... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world
    social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments
    before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ...
    will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we
    attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a
    generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."


    H. G. Wells, in his book entitled The New World Order (1939)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    Enemy of the State.

    I take absolute pride in every single word.

    Currently self-proclaimed, but eventually I hope to work towards recognition... in the toppling of this profound evil.

    We're literally in the middle on amazingly "interesting times" accordingly to my socialist govt bus relations lecturer... [said with a smile, as he goes on to proclaim capitalism is failing]

    We've all got to fight this esoteric agenda.. For it is a battle of ideas... A revolution of ideas; as Ron Paul has said.

    We have truth on our side. Now is not the time to stand down; it is the time to stand up.

    Edit: ^ above.. Yep, yep.
    Shameless self promotion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c62ncS4O_aQ
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    I think you may be reading too much into this...however, I do concur there is a great deal of talk about fighting an unknown enemy in an effort to globalize the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    That you at 5.30? Great vid.
    “I will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison

    Quote Originally Posted by TGGRV View Post
    Conza, why do you even bother? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist
    Scroll down on the page and link to the .pdf file marked:

    Army Modernization Strategy 2008
    Went to the PDF. Read the first page..still didn't see the quote...It's a pretty lengthy document.

    I'd like to see the original source...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    That you at 5.30? Great vid.
    Yes, that's me. And thanks!

    I was actually thinking of the PERFECT song for nate895, who said, "If they want to label me, go right ahead:"

    and I realized I had not upoaded it.

    It's Jim Lampos "Sons of Liberty"

    'take my name down'

    It's a song, I think, that ALL RP C4L-ers and whatnot ought to hear. Maybe I need to ake another video, and use that song...
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ex Post Facto
    It's there on the main document first page bottom right corner.
    I finally found it on page 6 of the document. I'm not sure why you're telling me page 1.

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    AF nailed it--as usual.
    When all else fails,
    there's always
    www.escapeartist.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Vidual View Post
    I'm what Thomas Paine called a Sunshine Patriot or Summer Soldier.
    I don't want to risk my life for a bunch of *semi-* and *unbelievably stupid* people (ie. the people who laughed at Ron Paul, or call us *Paultards*).
    Normally, it's not a good idea to call people "stupid", so let's just say they were educated in publak scools.

    I just want to be left alone...
    Is there a moral obligation to fight for freedom?
    Why?...
    To help others?

    Thomas Paine knew how to motivate the radicals; These days, you need the millions of Sunshine Patriots to succeed. How can we help you, without risking getting sent to FEMA camp?
    You alienate allies when you make stupid $#@!ty comments like this.

    "The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment."

    -Bertrand Russell


    I received positive rep for extreme sarcasm from a person who thought I was serious ... please look up Poe's Law

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    US troops will not fire on their own. Remember who these people are. They are our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts, sons and daughters. They supported Ron Paul.

    If US troops are asked to turn on their citizens, you will see a coup d’état. If the powers controlling things do not understand this, they are in for a surprise.

    USMC (ret)
    Insanity should be defined as trusting the government to solve a problem they caused in the first place. Please do not go insane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonySutton
    US troops will not fire on their own. Remember who these people are. They are our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts, sons and daughters. They supported Ron Paul.

    If US troops are asked to turn on their citizens, you will see a coup d’état. If the powers controlling things do not understand this, they are in for a surprise.

    USMC (ret)
    I hope you're right! I wish I could share your optimism.

    I think that the mission of civil control can be spun by the Conspirator In Chief as a "true form of Patriotism, at a difficult and unfortunate time when we must take painful steps to move forward...." or some pathetic crap like that.

    The usual BS that unless you obey the administration you are not patriotic. Forget that allegiance to that "goddamn piece of paper...the Constitution..."



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    Quote Originally Posted by TonySutton View Post
    US troops will not fire on their own. Remember who these people are. They are our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts, sons and daughters. They supported Ron Paul.

    If US troops are asked to turn on their citizens, you will see a coup d’état. If the powers controlling things do not understand this, they are in for a surprise.

    USMC (ret)
    UN "peacekeepers" ( so called ), on US soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ex Post Facto View Post
    I think you may be reading too much into this...however, I do concur there is a great deal of talk about fighting an unknown enemy in an effort to globalize the world.

    With all due respect, what's there to read into? It's there and it's as clear as day.
    If God himself got off his throne, descended from the heavens, trumpetted at my door, and announced that I was wasting my time trying to get Ron Paul into the Whitehouse, I would thank him for his concern and ask him to leave me to my business. I've wasted lots of time on far less noble causes. ~RockEnds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Warrior View Post
    UN "peacekeepers" ( so called ), on US soil.
    Don't forget the Canadian military that jorge boooosh has invited down to help out in "case of emergency".
    If God himself got off his throne, descended from the heavens, trumpetted at my door, and announced that I was wasting my time trying to get Ron Paul into the Whitehouse, I would thank him for his concern and ask him to leave me to my business. I've wasted lots of time on far less noble causes. ~RockEnds

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberteebell View Post
    Don't forget the Canadian military that jorge boooosh has invited down to help out in "case of emergency".
    I remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberteebell View Post
    Don't forget the Canadian military that jorge boooosh has invited down to help out in "case of emergency".
    Canadian/Mexican military. And all the illegals/gang bangers now in our military.

    Also youtube "operation urban warrior" for a glimpse of what our military can be manipulated into doing in response to a disaster.
    You can call me a conspiracy theorist as long as I can call you a coincidence theorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonySutton View Post
    US troops will not fire on their own. Remember who these people are. They are our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts, sons and daughters. They supported Ron Paul.

    If US troops are asked to turn on their citizens, you will see a coup d’état. If the powers controlling things do not understand this, they are in for a surprise.

    USMC (ret)
    Which is why they have been quietly questioning troops about that very question.

    First time I saw a confirmed report of that was 1995 IRRC.

    "Would you fire on US citizens who refused to turn in their arms as prescribed by federal law?"

    And that's why NORTHCOM is so hot to "import" foreign troops to the US for "cross training".

    A Ukrainian soldier would have no qualms shooting your brother or mother.

    "Our" guys will be out of country for the most part.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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