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    New Orleans to return guns confiscated during Katrina

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081008/...nfiscated_guns

    NEW ORLEANS - City officials have agreed to return hundreds of firearms that police officers confiscated in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, part of a deal to resolve a lawsuit filed by gun lobbying groups.

    The settlement agreement filed Tuesday in federal court calls for the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment Foundation to drop their case if the city follows a plan for returning guns to owners who had them seized by police after the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.

    Both sides also are asking U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier to sign off on the pact and issue a permanent injunction barring the city from seizing lawfully possessed firearms. Barbier didn't immediately rule on the agreement, which doesn't involve a monetary award.

    Police department spokesman Bob Young said it has stored 552 guns that were confiscated after Katrina, through Dec. 31, 2005. Police have said that most of the confiscated firearms had been stolen or found in abandoned homes, but the NRA claims police disarmed some people who were trying to flee the city.

    City attorney Nolan Lambert denied that police unlawfully seized firearms.

    "We were acting at all times in conformity with the law," he said.

    The agreement calls for the city to post a notice on its Web site that explains how gun owners can claim their firearms.

    Gun owners must sign an affidavit claiming ownership of a gun but don't need to present written proof, such as a sales receipt or serial number. A background check also is required to certify that someone claiming a gun can legally possess a firearm.

    The city won't be liable if a dispute arises over the ownership of a returned gun. Authorities can dispose of any guns that go unclaimed after two years.

    "This is all we've wanted all along: a practical return program," said NRA lawyer Stephen Halbrook, who estimated that the department should have 1,200 guns available for owners to claim.

    "I think it satisfies all our concerns," said Dave Workman, a spokesman for the Bellevue, Wash.-based Second Amendment Foundation. "The city for way too long has been dragging its feet on this. We're glad it's over and we can move on to other issues."

    Young said the department "will do everything possible to notify people that their guns are available for pickup."

    In April 2006, police made about 700 firearms available for owners to claim if they could present a bill of sale or an affidavit with the weapon's serial number. Halbrook, however, said few people could present proof of ownership after Katrina, which flooded 80 percent of the city.

    Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Superintendent Warren Riley were defendants in the case, which was scheduled to be tried next month.

    In their lawsuit, the gun lobbying groups accused the city of violating gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and leaving them "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals" after Katrina.

    In response, the city argued that federal law doesn't apply to the plaintiffs' claims against city officials "because the right to keep and bear arms has never been recognized as a fundamental individual right."
    That last paragraph burns me up. Hello? Heller v. DC! But at least people can get their weapons back. Interesting to see how many "disappeared" though. They made 700 available but only a few people showed up, now they only have 552? The NRA says 1200. Sounds like the cops raided the room of the best guns.
    Last edited by devil21; 10-08-2008 at 05:33 PM.
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    Those people will never get those guns back. I don't think they even tagged them with the owners names or even took down all the owners names who had guns confiscated.
    Crock of bull$#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieseler View Post
    Those people will never get those guns back. I don't think they even tagged them with the owners names or even took down all the owners names who had guns confiscated.
    Crock of bull$#@!.
    Did you read it? The article said they just need to sign an affidavit of ownership and pass a NCIS. I hope it is that easy. Heck, if I lived in NO I'd be lined up looking for my 7 confiscated Glocks Yeah the black ones. All of them. Where do I sign?
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    They didn't just confiscate guns. They physically destroyed guns right in front of the gun owners. There's youtube videos of gun owners talking about watching the gestapo break their firearms by curbstomping them.

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    The settlement agreement filed Tuesday in federal court calls for the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment Foundation to drop their case if the city follows a plan for returning guns to owners who had them seized by police after the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.
    Awesome! Your rights were 100% trampled by state representatives, but maybe you can have your property back 3 years later when you're no longer in a dangerous disaster area. Meanwhile, state representatives will still keep blathering on about how right they are.
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    Well, if the city of New Orleans is trying to "work" with the NRA and other pro-gun groups in order to resolve a law suit against them, they're clearly scared that they'd lose. If I were the NRA etc., I wouldn't work with them. I'd push this through the court system as far as it will go, make them pay a fortune, get injunctions against gun confiscations in the future, and go for criminal charges against those who made the decision to steal the citizen's guns. No way I'd let them get off scott free like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081008/...nfiscated_guns



    That last paragraph burns me up. Hello? Heller v. DC! But at least people can get their weapons back. Interesting to see how many "disappeared" though. They made 700 available but only a few people showed up, now they only have 552? The NRA says 1200. Sounds like the cops raided the room of the best guns.
    yeah, thats really sick. Laws, who needs them. The law doesn't pay attention them, whats the point?

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    mmmmmmmmmmm
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    I want to see city officials jailed for a few days at the very least so they won't even think of doing this again.

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    will never happen in my liftime (i'mi n my 30's)
    I have no faith in the american people caring at this point....sucks
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    I was disgusted three years ago when this happened...........The only way the cops could have protected anyone would have been to put a cop in every home, which was nigh on impossible.



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