We expect the USA to crash....but have you noticed that other countries are following the routine?
What other countries besides JAPAN are sinking their currencies?
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Well, the pound and the euro were being sunk for some time now. That was what made the U.S. Dollar index look so good till now.Originally Posted by american.swan
Any other good news?
Australian Dollar has taken it hard:
July 0.96
Today 0.76
Big drop against the Greenback
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Yeah, that's interesting too, because it isn't in the basket of currencies used to calculate the U.S. Dollar index.
to quote a friend, "they [all the world's central banks] hang by the same noose". That could be one explanation of why everything is going chaotically haywire ATM.
From a Christian perspective, though, it'd make sense for it to all collapse at once; how else could one man rally the many to world government with him at its helm?
From a traditional Christian point of view also held by all the denominations from the reformation, this isn't what the bible says. The man of sin is in Rome, and always has been.
Actually, twisting scriptures on that point has turned me off the NWO and the apostate churches following them as much as anything as well.
Last edited by BeFranklin; 09-17-2008 at 07:53 PM.
From the original article:
``It's scary,'' said E. Craig Coats Jr., who co-heads fixed income at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc. in New York and started trading bonds in 1969. ``This is the worst it's ever been since I've been in the business. Nobody knows what's really going on. Systemic risk is here and there and everywhere.''
Seems to be pretty bad when the treasury bills aren't bearing much interest, because that's where you might put it when you withdraw from the market.
Last edited by BeFranklin; 09-17-2008 at 07:54 PM.
IE a small far from complete list of those denominations that came out of her.
This is a list that shows that all the major churches at one time declared that the pope was the antichrist in their documents and confessions of faith.
Presbyterians
graceonlinelibrary.org
hwww.reformed.org
Westminster Confession of Faith (1646)
"There is no other head of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God."
Baptists
www.grace.org.uk/faith/bc1689/
www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm
Baptist Confession of Faith 1689
26.4 The Lord Jesus Christ is the head of the church. In him is vested, by the appointment of the Father in a supreme and sovereign manner, all authority for the calling, institution, order and government of the church.1 The Pope of Rome cannot in any sense be the head of the church, but he is the antichrist, that 'man of lawlessness', and 'son of destruction', who exalts himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God, whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.2
(1) Col 1:18; Eph 4:11-16; 1:20-23; 5:23-32; 1Co 12:27-28; Joh 17:1-3; Mat 28:18-20; Act 5:31; Joh 10:14-16
(2) 2Th 2:2-9
Congregational (Puritans)
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/creeds3.v.i.i.html
The Savoy Declaration 1658
"There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ; nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but it (he) is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God, whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of His coming."
Methodists
John Wesleys Commentaries
John Wesley’s commentaries on the bible, 2 Thessalonians 2
John Wesley is the founder of the Methodists
”2:3 .. Unless the falling away - From the pure faith of the gospel, come first. This began even in the apostolic age. But the man of sin, the son of perdition - Eminently so called, is not come yet. However, in many respects, the Pope has an indisputable claim to those titles. He is, in an emphatical sense, the man of sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled, the son of perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers, destroyed innumerable souls, and will himself perish everlastingly. He it is that opposeth himself to the emperor, once his rightful sovereign; and that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped - Commanding angels, and putting kings under his feet, both of whom are called gods in scripture; claiming the highest power, the highest honour; suffering himself, not once only, to be styled God or vice - god. Indeed no less is implied in his ordinary title, "Most Holy Lord," or, "Most Holy Father." So that he sitteth - Enthroned. In the temple of God - Mentioned Revelation 11:1.Declaring himself that he is God - Claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone.
2:6 And now ye know - By what I told you when I was with you. That which restraineth - The power of the Roman emperors. When this is taken away, the wicked one will be revealed. In his time - His appointed season, and not before. “
(I quoted it to 2:6 to show that Wesley believed in a historical church history approach, and that it also contradicts other claims by the apostate church.)
Lutherans
Smalcald Articles, confession of faith
written in 1537 by Martin Luther
http://www.bookofconcord.org/smalcald.html
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/...nberg/wittenbe
rg-boc.html#sa
Article IV: Of the Papacy
10] This teaching shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God. 11] This is, properly speaking to exalt himself above all that is called God as Paul says, 2 Thess. 2, 4. Even the Turks or the Tartars, great enemies of Christians as they are, do not do this, but they allow whoever wishes to believe in Christ, and take bodily tribute and obedience from Christians.
Article IV: Of the Papacy
14] [...] Lastly, it is nothing else than the devil himself, because above and against God he urges [and disseminates] his [papal] falsehoods concerning masses, purgatory, the monastic life, one's own works and [fictitious] divine worship (for this is the very Papacy [upon each of which the Papacy is altogether founded and is standing]), and condemns, murders and tortures all Christians who do not exalt and honor these abominations [of the Pope] above all things. Therefore, just as little as we can worship the devil himself as Lord and God, we can endure his apostle, the Pope, or Antichrist, in his rule as head or lord. For to lie and to kill, and to destroy body and soul eternally, that is wherein his papal government really consists, as I have very clearly shown in many books.
Calvinists
John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/inst...iv.viii.html?b
cb=0
7. Of the Beginning and Rise of the Romish Papacy, till it attained a height by which the Liberty of the Church was destroyed, and all true Rule overthrown.
To the dishonest arts of Boniface succeeded fouler frauds devised in more modern times, and expressly condemned by Gregory and Bernard. sec. 19-21. V. The Papacy at length appeared complete in all its parts, the seat of Antichrist. Its impiety, execrable tyranny, and wickedness, portrayed, sec. 23-30.
[...]
25. To some we seem slanderous and petulant, when we call the Roman Pontiff Antichrist. But those who think so perceive not that they are bringing a charge of intemperance against Paul, after whom we speak, nay, in whose very words we speak. But lest any one object that Paul’s words have a different meaning, and are wrested by us against the Roman Pontiff, I wil1 briefly show that they can only be understood of the Papacy. Paul says that Antichrist would sit in the temple of God (2 Thess. 2:4). In another passage, the Spirit, portraying him in the person of Antiochus, says that his reign would be with great swelling words of vanity (Dan. 7:25). Hence we infer that his tyranny is more over souls than bodies, a tyranny set up in opposition to the spiritual kingdom of Christ. Then his nature is such, that he abolishes not the name either of Christ or the Church, but rather uses the name of Christ as a pretext, and lurks under the name of Church as under a mask. But though all the heresies and schisms which have existed from the beginning belong to the kingdom of Antichrist, yet when Paul foretells that defection will come, he by the description intimates that that seat of abomination will be erected, when a kind of universal defection comes upon the Church, though many members of the Church scattered up and down should continue in the true unity of the faith. But when he adds, that in his own time, the mystery of iniquity, which was afterwards to be openly manifested, had begun to work in secret, we thereby understand that this calamity was neither to be introduced by one man, nor to terminate in one man (see Calv. in 2 Thess. 2:3; Dan. 7:9). Moreover, when the mark by which he distinguishes Antichrist is, that he would rob God of his honour and take it to himself, he gives the leading feature which we ought to follow in searching out Antichrist; especially when pride of this description proceeds to the open devastation of the Church. Seeing then it is certain that the Roman Pontiff has impudently transferred to himself the most peculiar properties of God and Christ, there cannot be a doubt that he is the leader and standard-bearer of an impious and abominable kingdom.
King James Bible (preface)(therefore Church of England)
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/kjavpref.htm
Preface to the King James Bible, 1611
…And this their contentment doth not diminish or decay, but every day increaseth and taketh strength, when they observe, that the zeal of Your Majesty toward the house of God doth not slack or go backward, but is more and more kindled, manifesting itself abroad in the farthest parts of Christendom, by writing in defence of the Truth, (which hath given such a blow unto that man of sin, as will not be healed,)
[…]
For when Your Highness had once, out of deep judgment, apprehended how convenient it was, that, out of the Original sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own and other foreign languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English Tongue; Your Majesty did never desist to urge and to excite those to whom it was commended, that the Work might be hastened, and that the business might be expedited in so decent a manner, as a matter of such importance might justly require.
[…]
“…acceptance of our labours shall more honour and encourage us, than all the calumniations and hard interpretations of other men shall dismay us. So that if, on the one side, we shall be traduced by Popish Persons at home or abroad, who therefore will malign us, because we are poor instruments to make God's holy Truth to be yet more and more known unto the people, whom they desire still to keep in ignorance and darkness;”
William Tyndale was murdered at the stake by the Roman Catholic church for his work in translating the bible. 90% of the new testament in the King James version is still William Tyndale's translation. William Tyndale prayed when he was burning at the stake; “Lord, open the eyes of the King of England”. The King James Bible was the answer to that prayer.
http://www.williamtyndale.com/0biblehistory.htm
Last edited by BeFranklin; 09-17-2008 at 08:42 PM.
I may invest in Russia soon
Catholics for Ron Paul, f*** yeah,
And witches, and agnostics, and atheists, etc etc. There's all types of people on these forums.Catholics for Ron Paul, f*** yeah,
The traditional protestant view of Revelation is more reasonable. The antichrist has to do with whether you are saved or not, not wars or rumors of wars, credit collapses, one world man rule etc.
The bible is only about the gospel, and how to be saved, by Jesus Christ alone.
In some sense, the perversion of that truth to the political realm *furthers* the NWO, and does not hinder it. The bible isn't about the NWO.
Thankfully, because the bible is our "only guide", we don't need the "traditional Protestant view" of anything.
Last edited by ihsv; 09-17-2008 at 08:41 PM.
"They [the Soviets] intend...to induce the Americans to adopt their own 'restructuring' and convergence of the Soviet and American systems ... Convergence will be accompanied by blood baths and political re-education camps in Western Europe and the United States. The Soviet strategists are counting on an economic depression in the United States and intend to introduce their reformed model of socialism with a human face as an alternative to the American system during the depression."Anatoliy Golitsyn The Perestroika Deception 1990
The bible is about living fully, having the choice to choose the good, and so is Ron Paul.
The bible is about living fully, having the choice to choose the good, and so is Ron Paul.
I believe in liberty and the constitution, but no higher power. Might be one out there, but who knows?
"I'm not just trying to win or get elected. I am trying to change the course of history" - Ron Paul
I would say that the power to destroy liberty and the constitution is higher. So, at the very least, you must admit there is a higher power than liberty and the constitution
"They [the Soviets] intend...to induce the Americans to adopt their own 'restructuring' and convergence of the Soviet and American systems ... Convergence will be accompanied by blood baths and political re-education camps in Western Europe and the United States. The Soviet strategists are counting on an economic depression in the United States and intend to introduce their reformed model of socialism with a human face as an alternative to the American system during the depression."Anatoliy Golitsyn The Perestroika Deception 1990
Ya got me there!
"I'm not just trying to win or get elected. I am trying to change the course of history" - Ron Paul
When do you guys think the US is going to crash?!
I thought we still had a few years... now I'm worried
We're witnessing it now.When do you guys think the US is going to crash?!
I thought we still had a few years... now I'm worried
"They [the Soviets] intend...to induce the Americans to adopt their own 'restructuring' and convergence of the Soviet and American systems ... Convergence will be accompanied by blood baths and political re-education camps in Western Europe and the United States. The Soviet strategists are counting on an economic depression in the United States and intend to introduce their reformed model of socialism with a human face as an alternative to the American system during the depression."Anatoliy Golitsyn The Perestroika Deception 1990
Well, perhaps this looks worse than it really is... but you have a good reason to be worried. I'm worried too. It sure looks like the S is about to H the F.When do you guys think the US is going to crash?!
I thought we still had a few years... now I'm worried
Russia. 2nd day in a row their market has crashed and they shut the markets down early because of it.
Maxed out to ALL of Ron Paul's campaigns.
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The really scary part about this is both candidates think our economy and wallstreet wasn't regulated enough is why it is happening! Gotta get the feds more involved to save us.
War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.
The bible foretold the protestant reformation.Thankfully, because the bible is our "only guide", we don't need the "traditional Protestant view" of anything.
Revelation 18:4 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
I'd argue "The Reformation" was a no-event, considering it was just one move from one form of Nicolaitanism to another. :-P
cheap shot.....is what I say.
Every economy in the world will be effected by the crash of the US economy. But the difference being that they have higher savings rates and will be able to get out of their recessions. The US economy on the other hand, is toast.
What the Bible says and what BeFranklin says the Bible says are two different things. Are you asking me to follow the teachings of men by accepting your interpretation of that verse? Or am I free to reject your interpretation as the mere opinion of fallible men?
And doesn't it bother you that for 1500 years before the Protestant revolt, no one understood that verse to mean what you say it means?
"They [the Soviets] intend...to induce the Americans to adopt their own 'restructuring' and convergence of the Soviet and American systems ... Convergence will be accompanied by blood baths and political re-education camps in Western Europe and the United States. The Soviet strategists are counting on an economic depression in the United States and intend to introduce their reformed model of socialism with a human face as an alternative to the American system during the depression."Anatoliy Golitsyn The Perestroika Deception 1990
EditedEvery economy in the world will be effected by the crash of the US economy. But the difference being that they have higher savings rates and will be able to get out of their recessions. The US economy on the other hand, is [burnt] toast.
" Anyone can become angry. That is easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose and in the right way - that is not easy." --Aristotle
Christians have said Revelation is about Rome all the way from the first century. Which is why even roman catholic bibles footnote the same interpretations in their own bibles up to 300ad when Constantine gave the roman catholic its seat, great authority and power. After that, they don't want to believe.
Its natural that as church history is fulfilled, things that were thought more abstract are seen as how they literally came to pass.
Revelation certainly is not about economic collapses or the NWO.
Revelation is about Jesus Christ and the gospel and his church, and it reflects church history. And that is far more important than anything usually talked about here.
Revelation 19:10 - worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Last edited by BeFranklin; 09-17-2008 at 10:05 PM.
In the Roman Catholic church you aren't
That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma, which, although it was formulated ecumenically for the first time in the Vatican Council, had been explicitly taught long before and had been assumed from the very beginning without question down to the time of the Protestant Reformation. The teaching of the Vatican Council is to be found in Session III, cap. 4, where it is declared that "the doctrine of faith, which God has revealed, has not been proposed as a philosophical discovery to be improved upon by human talent, but has been committed as a Divine deposit to the spouse of Christ, to be faithfully guarded and infallibly interpreted by her"; and in Session IV, cap. 4, where it is defined that the Roman pontiff when he teaches ex cathedra "enjoys, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith and morals". Even the Vatican Council, it will be seen, only introduces the general dogma of the Church's infallibility as distinct from that of the pope obliquely and indirectly, following in this respect the traditional usage according to which the dogma is assumed as an implicate of ecumenical magisterial authority.
And onwards. I'd post more, but I was falling asleep reading it
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