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    Just as conservatives and liberals have effectively blended into a consensus to uphold the Establishment, so what America needs now – and can have – is a counter-coalition in opposition to the Welfare-Warfare State. A coalition that would favor the short-term libertarian goals of militant opposition to the [Iraq] War and the [Empire] generally, and to conscription, the military-industrial complex, and the high taxes and accelerated inflation that the state has needed to finance these statist measures. It would be a coalition to advance the cause of both civil liberty and economic freedom from government dictation. It would be, in many ways, a renaissance of a coalition between the best of the Old Right and the old New Left, a return to the glorious days when elements of Left and Right stood shoulder to shoulder to oppose the conquest of the Philippines and America’s entry into World Wars I and II. Here would be a coalition that could appeal to all groups throughout America, to the middle class, workers, students, liberals, and conservatives alike. But Middle America, for the sake of gaining freedom from high taxes, inflation, and monopoly, would have to accept the idea of personal liberty and a loss of national face abroad. And liberals and leftists, for the sake of dismantling the war machine and the American Empire, would have to give up the cherished Old Left-liberal dream of high taxes and Federal expenditures for every goody on the face of the earth.
    This coalition has been a long time coming.
    Last edited by ArrestPoliticians; 09-13-2008 at 10:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrestPoliticians View Post
    This beautiful plan seems so obvious. The fact that Bob Barr and his hired e-monkeys won't admit its elegance and plausibility shows their real motives.
    That quote and your opinion have no connection whatsoever. Stop speculating and making up nonsense. You're being reported.
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    Hey! That is what we are doing in Louisiana!
    Sept 20th. all constitution loving americans will be meeting.. leadership from many 3rd party and liberty organizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockandrollsouls View Post
    That quote and your opinion have no connection whatsoever. Stop speculating and making up nonsense. You're being reported.
    I think that the quote is pretty damn good evidence of my opinion, considering how Ron Paul was a good friend of Rothbard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrestPoliticians View Post
    I think that the quote is pretty damn good evidence of my opinion, considering how Ron Paul was a good friend of Rothbard.
    It has nothing to do with Bob Barr....you're making arbitrary connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockandrollsouls View Post
    It has nothing to do with Bob Barr....you're making arbitrary connections.
    Um, Bob Barr denied that this was an effective strategy in his press conference. His paid cronies continue to espouse the distastefulness of associating with *gasp* SOCIALISTS. Rothbard had no such qualms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrestPoliticians View Post
    Um, Bob Barr denied that this was an effective strategy in his press conference. His paid cronies continue to espouse the distastefulness of associating with *gasp* SOCIALISTS. Rothbard had no such qualms.
    Might wanna check your info, bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockandrollsouls View Post
    Might wanna check your info, bud.
    "Not worth my time/Waste of time." -Bob Barr

    Barr might want to read up on the real history of his adopted party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrestPoliticians View Post
    This beautiful plan seems so obvious. The fact that Bob Barr and his hired e-monkeys won't admit its elegance and plausibility shows their real motives.
    Are you a card carrying LP member?

    Furthermore, are you registered to vote with the GOP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephTheLibertarian View Post
    Are you a card carrying LP member?

    Furthermore, are you registered to vote with the GOP?
    Constitutional Libertarian Ron Paul Republican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrestPoliticians View Post
    Constitutional Libertarian Ron Paul Republican.
    That's not the same as a card holding libertarian...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrestPoliticians View Post
    Constitutional Libertarian Ron Paul Republican.
    Then why aren't you petitioning to remove McCain from the ballot? Why are you criticizing an organization that has a more libertarian platform than the organization that you're currently a member of? Would that be some hypocrisy there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockandrollsouls View Post
    That's not the same as a card holding libertarian...
    I'm a card carrying libertarian who is also on the LALP central committee, does that count?
    Do I get some special say in something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephTheLibertarian View Post
    Then why aren't you petitioning to remove McCain from the ballot? Why are you criticizing an organization that has a more libertarian platform than the organization that you're currently a member of? Would that be some hypocrisy there?
    I'm not petitioning to remove Barr from the ballot. I'm not criticizing the LP party either. Edgy, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    I'm a card carrying libertarian who is also on the LALP central committee, does that count?
    Do I get some special say in something?
    Well then you should have a valid opinion in the LP. What I'm saying is I don't like the idea of people who have not done anything for the party having their views put before mine. I am not committed to voting for Barr but I do feel like he is being shortchanged. Let us, the members of the LP solve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrestPoliticians View Post
    I'm not petitioning to remove Barr from the ballot. I'm not criticizing the LP party either. Edgy, eh?
    Then, what exactly are you doing?

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    Someone please send both McCain and Obama the memo that they can't criticize one another because they belong to different parties. (It will reduce the crap on the news.) Then, please go back in time and refuse to pass the first amendment since free speech was primarily design to protect free political speech--both positive and negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockandrollsouls View Post
    Well then you should have a valid opinion in the LP. What I'm saying is I don't like the idea of people who have not done anything for the party having their views put before mine. I am not committed to voting for Barr but I do feel like he is being shortchanged. Let us, the members of the LP solve it.
    True.
    But the LALP has washed their hands of Barr.
    We never got any call backs from his office.
    And when we did get someone, they couldn't tell us anything...
    And because of this, Barr didn't get on the ballot in louisiana, the easiest state in the union to get on the ballot. and that is not an hyperbole.

    Of course, petitions are useless. And things will be taken care of by our membership.
    In Louisiana, we are shedding our party designations and are coming together with everyone as americans who want constitutional government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephTheLibertarian View Post
    Then, what exactly are you doing?
    Explaining how Ron Paul is following Murray Rothbard's vision of a left and right coalition coming together on important issues to drive out the establishment hacks.

    My Barr comment is referring to the attacks by Barr and others on the strategy of associating with socialists like Nader/McKinney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    Someone please send both McCain and Obama the memo that they can't criticize one another because they belong to different parties. (It will reduce the crap on the news.) Then, please go back in time and refuse to pass the first amendment since free speech was primarily design to protect free political speech--both positive and negative.

    Thx.
    No, your opinion shouldn't be put before members of the party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    Someone please send both McCain and Obama the memo that they can't criticize one another because they belong to different parties. (It will reduce the crap on the news.) Then, please go back in time and refuse to pass the first amendment since free speech was primarily design to protect free political speech--both positive and negative.

    Thx.
    note- the first amendment applies to the government.
    The government cannot restrict your speech.
    Any property owner can censor whatever speech they want.

    Can't use the constitution against property owners. It was written for the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    True.
    But the LALP has washed their hands of Barr.
    We never got any call backs from his office.
    And when we did get someone, they couldn't tell us anything...
    And because of this, Barr didn't get on the ballot in louisiana, the easiest state in the union to get on the ballot. and that is not an hyperbole.

    Of course, petitions are useless. And things will be taken care of by our membership.
    In Louisiana, we are shedding our party designations and are coming together with everyone as americans who want constitutional government.
    I never said his campaign wasn't foolish. I'm just for fairness here. The forum is very biased against Barr and that translated into an idea that they could, somehow, begin to govern a party they have no part of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    note- the first amendment applies to the government.
    The government cannot restrict your speech.
    Any property owner can censor whatever speec they want.

    Can't use the constitution against property owners. It was written for the government.
    Yes, very true. However, I really don't think that JTL and R&RS are the forum owners here. If Josh says Barr is beyond reproach here, then Barr is beyond reproach here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    Yes, very true. However, I really don't think that JTL and R&RS are the forum owners here. If Josh says Barr is beyond reproach here, then Barr is beyond reproach here.
    I never said I was a forum owner, but the forum has gotten rowdy lately, rules are not being followed, and the mods aren't doing much about it. Aside from that, I do have a membership in the LP and I don't appreciate people that aren't a part of the party trying to dictate who we should and should not have on our ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    Yes, very true. However, I really don't think that JTL and R&RS are the forum owners here. If Josh says Barr is beyond reproach here, then Barr is beyond reproach here.
    True. I was just noting the context, not the subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockandrollsouls View Post
    I never said I was a forum owner, but the forum has gotten rowdy lately, rules are not being followed, and the mods aren't doing much about it. Aside from that, I do have a membership in the LP and I don't appreciate people that aren't a part of the party trying to dictate who we should and should not have on our ticket.
    And that is just my point. People who are not card carrying members of the LP are allowed to criticize it because this is America. Free political speech is a cornerstone of our political system. I know you didn't claim to be the forum owner. Torchbearer was simply saying that the forum can limit speech if the forum owner wishes, and that is certainly true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    True. I was just noting the context, not the subjects.
    I know, and you're absolutely right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    Yes, very true. However, I really don't think that JTL and R&RS are the forum owners here. If Josh says Barr is beyond reproach here, then Barr is beyond reproach here.
    What ticks me off, I've been spending months trying convince Ron Paul supporters to not do a useless write-in and vote for Barr.
    Many were beginning to agree, but now- ha, good luck selling that.

    One good thing though, The guys in Louisiana knew they needed electors to vote for Ron, and we got them now.
    Our meeting on Sept 20th will have all the top activist in the state.
    Members of the central committee of the LALP - including chair
    Members of the central committee of the LACP
    State Coordinator and Asst. Coordinator of Louisiana for the Campaign for liberty (along with some district reps)
    Members of Dems, GOP, Reform, Green, and indies will be present also.
    Delegations from all parts of the state, from all parties...
    First meeting of its type. And (stroke my own ego ) I was instrumental in putting it together.
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    I find it interesting Rothbard was talking about this... and Ron was talking about it...
    But the meeting would have happened, whether I knew they said that or not... meaning, they predicted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    And that is just my point. People who are not card carrying members of the LP are allowed to criticize it because this is America. Free political speech is a cornerstone of our political system. I know you didn't claim to be the forum owner. Torchbearer was simply saying that the forum can limit speech if the forum owner wishes, and that is certainly true.
    No, I've said time and again you can criticize whoever you want, but don't think you have a right to impose your will on my and other LP members "property" by believing you have an obligation and right to change our ticket.
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