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    Anyone voting for McCain?

    Is there anyone sticking to Republican ticket and voting for McCain?

    I am unsure of what way to go. My dad sent me this message, comments?... (hes trying to get me to vote mccain)

    "Once McCain is in there ,the market/economy will improve and the housing will start to recover. "Sammys" friends all have husbands on Wall St. and they are scared to death of Obama getting in. If he happens to win, everyone will dump investments subject to short term capital gains taxes, which he will at least double. If you saw his interview w/O'Rieley he told him on the air he will raise them to 30%-35%. O'reilly flipped and told him he'll be pulling his money out of stocks and into bonds and so will every other investor. He says at a 10% capitol gains tax the stocks are worth the risk. At 30% no way!By the way home builder stocks are up about 33% since July. The institutional investors have been buying them up, driving up the price. So apparently they think this is the bottom, or close enough so that they are worried about missing it."
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    mccain/palin 2008!

    lol

    $#@! them
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    WWIII is not worth saving on capital gains tax
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    Quote Originally Posted by newyearsrevolution08 View Post
    mccain/palin 2008!

    lol

    $#@! them
    +1


    but they will win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    +1


    but they will win.
    maybe but not with my vote.

    Our voting for mccain or obama will NOT change the election so we need to vote 3rd party even if it is carrot top. We will get them in 2012 damn it.
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    I am voting for McCain due to the melt down of the LP and C4L. Besides, Ron Paul isn't running and none of the others can get on the ballots. I am actually voting for Palin...not McCain because she is libertarian leaning ..and I definately don't want the socialist democrats in there. YES...Obama will raise capital gains taxes which will cause more inflation. Obama nor McCain will keep us out of any wars for oil. With any hope, Palin can convince congress to vote for more drilling in the USA...ANWR and the gulf, even though it will go on the global market, it will stimulate the economy by providing decent jobs for americans...that's always helpful. If Obama gets in, and staRTS regulating the oil industry more...they may just pull out of USA completely and destroy the little bit of leverage we do have with oil markets, and employment for Americans. These buzzards wouldn't blink about aligning themselves with Russia or China and making their dough that way. If oil is going to continue to control the world, I submit we might as well make sure we are in on it, or it will be the certain death of our economy and the dollar. TOnes

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    Also consider this, If Obama (democrats) get in..they would like to see the GOVERMENT control the oil (gas stamps, more taxes , more regulation). If McCain gets in (republicans) we can pretty much figure they will uphold capitalism...which is a better way to go than communism/socialism. Tones

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    I am voting for McCain due to the melt down of the LP and C4L. Besides, Ron Paul isn't running and none of the others can get on the ballots. I am actually voting for Palin...not McCain because she is libertarian leaning ..and I definately don't want the socialist democrats in there. YES...Obama will raise capital gains taxes which will cause more inflation. Obama nor McCain will keep us out of any wars for oil. With any hope, Palin can convince congress to vote for more drilling in the USA...ANWR and the gulf, even though it will go on the global market, it will stimulate the economy by providing decent jobs for americans...that's always helpful. If Obama gets in, and staRTS regulating the oil industry more...they may just pull out of USA completely and destroy the little bit of leverage we do have with oil markets, and employment for Americans. These buzzards wouldn't blink about aligning themselves with Russia or China and making their dough that way. If oil is going to continue to control the world, I submit we might as well make sure we are in on it, or it will be the certain death of our economy and the dollar. TOnes
    http://news.scotsman.com/world/Palin...ith.4488838.jp

    Palin 'prepared for war with Russia on Georgia'
    (sorry, but your children and grand children need to die to protect our interest in Georgia)



    Published Date: 13 September 2008
    By CHRIS STEPHEN
    SARAH Palin warned yesterday she would be prepared to go to war with Russia to protect Georgia in her first interview since John McCain chose her as his vice-presidential nominee.

    Calling Russia's invasion of its neighbor unprovoked, the Republican said she supported Georgia's application to join Nato even if it meant the United States could face a future confrontation with Moscow.

    "I mean, that is the agreement when you are a Nato ally. If another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon to help."

    Her comments, broadly in line with the robust stance of Mr McCain, came amid criticism that the McCain camp had kept her away from the press for the fortnight since she was chosen for the ticket.

    Opinion polls now show Mr McCain level with, or narrowly leading, Obama nationally.

    The Palin interview was by turns feisty and nervous. She told ABC's Charles Gibson that despite having visited only four other countries in her life, and having never met a foreign head of state, she was prepared to take the helm in the event of a mishap befalling 72-year-old Mr McCain.

    "I'm ready," she said. "I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink. You have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on – reform of this country and victory in the war."

    She gave enigmatic answers when asked if she would support Israeli strikes against Iranian nuclear installations, and on whether it was right to send troops into Pakistan after Osama bin Laden.

    And she seemed off-guard when Gibson asked if she agreed with the Bush doctrine.

    "In what respect, Charlie?" said Mrs Palin.

    Gibson said: "What do you interpret it to be?"

    "I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying our nation," she replied.

    Gibson said the doctrine was formulated in 2002 and allowed for pre-emptive strikes on nations posing a threat.

    "Charlie, if there is a legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country," Mrs Palin said.

    Critics judged the performance competent, not inspiring. Some of the answers may have surprised Mrs Palin's boss: Mr McCain is busy courting the green vote and is opposed to oil drilling in Alaskan wildlife refuges, but his running mate insists she supports it.

    "We'll agree to disagree," she said, "but I'm gonna keep pushing that and I think eventually we're all gonna come together on that one."

    Mrs Palin also appeared confused over her position on climate change, denying she once claimed it was not man-made.

    "I have not said that," she said. "Show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change."

    In fact, said ABC, she made the claim twice last year, telling one Alaskan newspaper: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist, blaming the changes in our climate on human activity."

    The interview is likely to further polarise opinion on the woman who all agree has turned this presidential election into a cliffhanger, convincing critics she is inexperienced, and supporters that she is tough and intelligent.

    Meanwhile, the Obama campaign, which has stuttered of late, effectively relaunched.

    "Today is the first day of the rest of the campaign," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said in a strategy memo. "We will respond with speed and ferocity to John McCain's attacks and we will take the fight to him, but we will do it on the big issues that matter to the American people."

    The newest hard-line ad includes unflattering footage of Mr McCain in the early Eighties, wearing giant glasses and an out-of-style suit, interspersed with shots of a disco ball, a clunky phone, an outdated computer and a Rubik's Cube.

    An Obama spokesman said the campaign was not making an issue of 72-year-old Mr McCain's age, but the time he's spent in Washington.
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    McCain = Big Government
    Obama = Big Government

    If you plan on voting Big Government, shouldn't be very hard.
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    Voting McCain because of Palin is exactly how they are trying to fool you. Don't be fooled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    Also consider this, If Obama (democrats) get in..they would like to see the GOVERMENT control the oil (gas stamps, more taxes , more regulation). If McCain gets in (republicans) we can pretty much figure they will uphold capitalism...which is a better way to go than communism/socialism. Tones
    If that is your mentality then I would rather have obama, mccain is a guaranteed "deaths head" over many American soldiers and innocents in our country and many others. What are human lives worth these days?

    $#@! taxes, gas, oil and this and that when we are talking about HUMAN BEINGS and them having the right to live and pieces of $#@! like mccain happy to kill them in the name of freedom, not that obama is BETTER BUT with your style of thinking and worrying about taxes and commi bull$#@! why not look at the BIGGER picture. What is your life worth? I know mine is worth much more than oil and gas stamps personally.
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    I understand all that. The wars are for control of the oil. Bottom line. Hate it, but its the facts. Nobody is going to go against the oil industry. Unfortunately, oil will continue to control the world. The dollar is backed by oil now...not gold. I agree , we need a better system, but it ain't happenin in 2008. I have to go with the capitalists rather than the socialists...for now. Tones

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    Given her stance on war, along with her religious fundamentalism, and her lies about her stances on earmarks, bridge to nowhere, I honestly think she might be more dangerous than McCain. Partially because she gives the appearance of having a few libertarian ideals. She has stated publicly that the Iraq War is some sort of a mission from God. (Oh, so God gave us faulty intel? Neat!)

    She'll use the God argument to justify whatever she wants. With endless wars with Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, hell, maybe even China, there will have to be a draft, taxes will go through the roof--our money going to destroy other countries, and given the structure that Bush has put into place, we can't do a damned thing about it.

    I'd rather be protesting gas stamps than protesting another million deaths.
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    OK..what's the solution? The movement has been shattered..we have no leverage ...this is just a rebel vote...what Ron Paul proposed. No leverage. Now, tell me the solution. tones

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    I have to go with the capitalists rather than the socialists...for now. Tones
    McCain is not a capitalist. He is a corporatist.
    A capitalist would end market manipulation by the fed, not encourage more controlled economy.

    I hope you children are the ones sent to die in a war with russia over georgia, and I hope you understand your vote sent them there.
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    Amy...i didn't realize Ron Paul supporters shaped their opinions by the Huffington Post and the Daily Kooks. Tones



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    Palin's own words. Choose to ignore them, or justify it however you want... but she isn't hiding her fangs.
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    You are putting material value over the value of human life, which is the neocon mentality. I MUCH rather have 4 years of creeping socialism (which can be reversed), than 4 years of wars and conflict in the name of 'false' capitalism. Please reconsider your vote. Choose a third part as RP suggested. Your conscience will let you sleep better at night.
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    Torchbearer...nasty thing to say. you have been quite nasty lately. Freaking immature..that's what people are talking about and the juvies are driving the adults off this forum. Ron Paul originally said to stay with the GOP and work to change it. You don't change things by revolting with in the party... you see it didn't work. grow the F. up. Tones

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    Amy...i didn't realize Ron Paul supporters shaped their opinions by the Huffington Post and the Daily Kooks. Tones
    Um. I got that from YouTubes of her saying it. The recent interviews, a YouTube of her speaking at her church. They're all over the place if you look into her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    I am voting for McCain due to the melt down of the LP and C4L.

    There's been a melt down of the C4L? Did anyone break the news to Don yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    Torchbearer...nasty thing to say. you have been quite nasty lately. Freaking immature..that's what people are talking about and the juvies are driving the adults off this forum. Ron Paul originally said to stay with the GOP and work to change it. You don't change things by revolting with in the party... you see it didn't work. grow the F. up. Tones
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    Obama isnt' going to stop any wars...all they will do is continue the wars and perpetuate government control of the resources rather than the markets...WORSE than it is now. Is that what you want? Make no mistake about this. I came to the Ron Paul movement from a CONSERVATIVE world view..not a liberal worldview. I loathe socialism/communism and I will do whatever it takes to block it. TONES



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    I LIKE Christian fundamentalism...I happen to be one. Tones

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    NATO is a bad deal. Because of NATO we are forced by treaties to back up NATO countries. Sad but true. So, how do we change that policy? tones (even Obama said he is going to have to back Georgia...so tell me...what's the solution?)

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    Here's part one of her talking about both a pipeline and the Iraq war being missions from God: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIHjE0T_ww

    And, by the way, I don't read Daily Kos, and have only occasionally read Huffington Post when there was something relevant.
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    The world LOVES Obama and the chances of wars with him as president is MUCH LESS than with McCain. I think most people would agree. You are putting money over human life. Vote for whoever you want. If you haven't figured it out already, I won't be able to convince you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonesforjonesbones View Post
    I LIKE Christian fundamentalism...I happen to be one. Tones
    Fine by me, but do you also share the same beliefs about these wars being missions from God? How about the just war doctrine? Zionist-inspired violence?

    One can not be pro-life and also pro-war.

    Her recent interview with Gibson is pretty telling about her pro-war stances. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ALsjhDDdaA
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