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Thread: You keep using those words. I don't think you know what they mean

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    You keep using those words. I don't think you know what they mean

    I hear the words "freedom" and "liberty" tossed around.
    Words like "tyranny" as well.
    Freedom is very vague and sounds like a word a polition would use.
    Maybe the phrase, "I'm for liberty of this gov't."
    Definitions would be good instead of the loaded wordsoften used.

    "Tyranny or the majority," is also very common.
    I like adding in, "The rights of the minority."

    "Gun to your head," is thrown around alot.
    It may or not be true but it is too extreme.
    Mabye, "threat of jail," is better.



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    Liberty != Freedom

    Freedom is being free to do what you want.

    Liberty is being free of government force.

    Tyranny is the use of force by a government, especially beyond the will of the people.
    Definition of political insanity: Voting for the same people expecting different results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slothman View Post
    Freedom is very vague and sounds like a word a polition would use.
    Maybe the phrase, "I'm for liberty of this gov't."
    Definitions would be good instead of the loaded wordsoften used.
    It's a mistake many make in an effort not to offend those we disagree with. We should probably accept that some will not agree with us and start using specific words and specific attacks. I'd think it beneficial if we all looked more into libertarian ideologies.


    One of the greatest mistakes we make is we dismiss the argument that most libertarians are, in fact, libertines, that we want maximum freedom and protection of rights. Many of us fail to understand that rights are granted not by natural law, but by governments. We cannot have the right to absolute ownership over private property while we have a government that requires funding - though voluntaryism gives an unproven and likely impossible "solution". Anarchy is to libertarianism as Communism is to social liberalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by slothman View Post
    "Tyranny or the majority," is also very common.
    I like adding in, "The rights of the minority."
    Agreed. Many people believe that if something is good for the majority, it should be law. I personally forget to include things such as this in my arguments, because I take so many things leading up to my position as accepted. This was a HUGE problem with Ron Paul's debate performances, he couldn't explain everything he needed to in thirty seconds because he sounded bat$#@! crazy when he would just say we should eliminate the Department of Education.

    Quote Originally Posted by slothman View Post
    "Gun to your head," is thrown around alot.
    It may or not be true but it is too extreme.
    Mabye, "threat of jail," is better.
    I disagree that it's too extreme. Politicians resort to fear-mongering all the time, except ours is inevitable and 100% true. What if you resist the court system or imprisonment?

    Our government forces us to play by their rules because so many administrating it believe that we are their property and that they know how to run our lives best.

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    "Gun to your head," is thrown around alot.
    It may or not be true but it is too extreme.
    Mabye, "threat of jail," is better.

    All government action is coercive! The final argument by the government in any situation, is a gun. That is how people are sent to jail - with an explicate and/or implicate "gun to one's head." Keeping this fact very clear is necessary in order to keep government's place and function in proper perspective.

    The government was granted legal monopoly to the use of force as a means to OBJECTIVELY
    defend the unalienable rights of the individual. This appears to me to have been the premise on which the united states of America was founded and its Constitution authored to enforce.

    Freedom is then the liberty to act with out being exposed to unjustified force contradictory to one's unalienable right to exist. Force being justified only against those who initiate it against the unalienable rights of others.. The majority has no right to negate any right of a minority. The individual is the smallest minority. Tyranny is the the use of force applied subjectively by
    any entity: individual, group or government.

    Extreme???? I think. not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slothman View Post
    I hear the words "freedom" and "liberty" tossed around.
    Words like "tyranny" as well.
    Freedom is very vague and sounds like a word a polition would use.
    Maybe the phrase, "I'm for liberty of this gov't."
    Definitions would be good instead of the loaded wordsoften used.

    "Tyranny or the majority," is also very common.
    I like adding in, "The rights of the minority."

    "Gun to your head," is thrown around alot.
    It may or not be true but it is too extreme.
    Mabye, "threat of jail," is better.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/freedom
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberty
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tyranny

    Any others?

    How about "force", "coercion", "violence", "barbarism"?

    Last edited by Truth Warrior; 08-23-2008 at 06:01 AM.



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