Are Truthers a liability?

[Ridiculous]

Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.

Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?

Yes the average American has some questions about 9/11, but I also think that the average American views that the "9/11 was an inside job" truthers as nut jobs.

I also think that if Paul were to get the nomination, he should stop giving interviews with people like Alex Jones. Jones, while probably sincere, is also a business man making money off of Truther's fears.... It really isn't a whole lot different than Giuliani being a 9/11 profiteer


I personally share Ron Paul's official position on 9/11.

[angelatc]

They're our liabilities and we love them.

[libertarianguy]

test

[Shink]

everyone stop asking about liabilities

POST OF THE DECADE.

[maggiebott]

I don't share his opinion but it matters not. But then again, i also don't believe in the easter bunny.

[Ozwest]

What a great answer!

[lucius]

Ho, hum, yet again. How about in Hot Topics, and with a title of 'I am a diversive prig starting another flame war'.

[happyphilter]

I have always said they were for the reason that their notions will cause less people to vote for Ron Paul. They have no reason to mix their "truth" message with the campaign.

[Green Mountain Boy]

Everybody's a potential liability.

[hard@work]

Since something like 30% of America suspects that 9/11 was done by an internal US conspiracy, and 70% suspect that the Iraq war was a lie based on 9/11 I think we'll be ok.

The liability we have with them is belligerent action and racist kooks. But whatever, these people have the right to believe what is the truth even if their methods are abrasive.

[Ridiculous]

They have the right to believe whatever they want. But it is they that got Paul associated with the "tin foil hat", not the moderate republicans, rational libertarians and convert dems.

[ButchHowdy]

Jesus lovin' truther here!

Heck, I even believe the sinking of the Titanic was a move to bolster the central bank agenda.

Am I a liability? Probably not.

[Revolution9]

They have the right to believe whatever they want. But it is they that got Paul associated with the "tin foil hat", not the moderate republicans, rational libertarians and convert dems.

Alright drooldonkey. I was awaiting your tinfoil hat remark that places you squarely in the camp of the brainwashed collectivists wh have the bizzarre notion that the truth is something to slander and those who research and draw comclusions from such are to be shunned. Frankly..we don't heed low IQ'ed, paranoia projecting flamewar firing misfits walltzing insensibly through the campaign stirring up antagonism.

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That being said.. go piss up a rope shortstop.

Randy

[DeadheadForPaul]

Since something like 30% of America suspects that 9/11 was done by an internal US conspiracy, and 70% suspect that the Iraq war was a lie based on 9/11 I think we'll be ok.

The liability we have with them is belligerent action and racist kooks. But whatever, these people have the right to believe what is the truth even if their methods are abrasive.

30% of Americans do not suspect that 9/11 was an inside job. They suspect there are cover-ups of government incompetence (like not being efficient). They believe that the government has not been forthcoming about all details on the events surrounding 9/11. 99% of them believe that it's just government hiding their incompetence. Only a small minority believe the U.S. government did it.

Furthermore, Ron Paul does not believe 9/11 was an inside job, so that message should not be associated with his campaign. Our political rivals on the left and right are trying to paint Dr. Paul as a 9/11 truther and conspiracy nut in order to hurt us, and I'd say they're doing a damn good job with the assistance of some of our "supporters"

[max]

Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.

Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?

Yes the average American has some questions about 9/11, but I also think that the average American views that the "9/11 was an inside job" truthers as nut jobs.

I also think that if Paul were to get the nomination, he should stop giving interviews with people like Alex Jones. Jones, while probably sincere, is also a business man making money off of Truther's fears.... It really isn't a whole lot different than Giuliani being a 9/11 profiteer


I personally share Ron Paul's official position on 9/11.

If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.


If you insist on burying your head in the sand about 9/11, thats your right. But where do you get off labeling us as "nuts" when I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.

has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!


try and refute this... www.911truthvirus.com

[hard@work]

If pursuing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 makes us "nut jobs" in the eues of the "average American"

No, it's acting like a "nut job" about truth that makes you into or appear as a nut job.

Just sayin.

[cujothekitten]

They are Americans and they have every right to support any candidate they want. The more we start pushing that point the better off everyone will be.

I may not agree with their views but I'll most certainly defend their right to support Ron and I happily welcome their hard work.

P.s. If a flame war starts in this thread I'll move it but I want visitors to read some of the points in the thread. Really think about what people are saying when they say a candidate should distance themselves from members of the voting public. Is this something we really want to indorse? I say no.

[Ridiculous]

No, it's acting like a "nut job" about truth that makes you into or appear as a nut job.

Just sayin.

agreed

[jmunjr]

One more person agreeing that the 911 Truth evidence is refutable. So much of the evidence is hokey at best. There is some stuff that seems suspicious, but nothing incriminating. The sad part is even if there is some truth to some of it, it is blanketed with all this other crap that is laughable.

Now, as for Ron Paul, the 911 Truther movement does scare people away. I know because I know people when asked about Ron Paul have responded that he is one of those "tin foil hat guys who think 9/11 was an inside job". I doubt he got that label on his own..

FWIW and I am sure you truthers will like this: some Lebanese and Palestinian acquaintances last night got very offensive with me about how muslims were blamed for 9/11 and they too think it was an inside job..

[Electric Church]

I hope you sincere folk out there realize that this thread is infested with trolls playing off of each other and laughing at you as you get sucked in for the 100th time. Please don't let yourselves get sucked in again. I mean who with a liberty loving mind would come out and say that such and such a group shouldn't support Ron Paul because of their views about a particular issue?

[The Good Doctor]

Follow the money on the "puts' in the stock market against the airlines and businesses in the WTC and you will find your answers. Why haven't they done this yet?

Why haven't they released a full video of the "plane" that hit the Pentagon? There are literally hundreds of video cameras in that area.

One more person agreeing that the 911 Truth evidence is refutable. So much of the evidence is hokey at best. There is some stuff that seems suspicious, but nothing incriminating. The sad part is even if there is some truth to some of it, it is blanketed with all this other crap that is laughable.

Now, as for Ron Paul, the 911 Truther movement does scare people away. I know because I know people when asked about Ron Paul have responded that he is one of those "tin foil hat guys who think 9/11 was an inside job". I doubt he got that label on his own..

FWIW and I am sure you truthers will like this: some Lebanese and Palestinian acquaintances last night got very offensive with me about how muslims were blamed for 9/11 and they too think it was an inside job..

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.


If you insist on burying your head in the sand about 9/11, thats your right. But where do you get off labeling us as "nuts" when I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.

has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!


try and refute this... www.911truthvirus.com

But Ron Paul doesnt believe 911 was an inside job. Isnt he just "burrying his head in the sand" with his nutty ideas about some made up word called "blowback" ?

So why do you support him?

[cujothekitten]

But Ron Paul doesnt believe 911 was an inside job. Isnt he just "burrying his head in the sand" with his nutty ideas about some made up word called "blowback" ?

So why do you support him?

Perhaps it's because 9/11 truth isn't the only issue they're thinking about...

I'm not sold on the gold standard but I still support Ron.

[happyphilter]

If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.


If you insist on burying your head in the sand about 9/11, thats your right. But where do you get off labeling us as "nuts" when I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.

has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!


try and refute this... www.911truthvirus.com

It is refutable, its been done multiple times by legitimate sources. And if 8 years studying engineering and construction isn't enough research id like to know where you get your facts.

[quickmike]

has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!

Yeah great, now what are you going to do about it? You gonna go kill those responsible with your bare hands? Are you going to open a new investigation team made up of the very people that you think were involved?

Waste of time even if it is true.
People still debating JFK after all these years................. how much closer are we to holding someone responsible?

[max]

It is refutable, its been done multiple times by legitimate sources. And if 8 years studying engineering and construction isn't enough research id like to know where you get your facts.

(9/11 truth has NEVER been refuted, unless you consider the hit and run, straw man , pot shots of government/MSM "experts" to be legitimate refutatation.

It is interesting to note that the "experts" who defend the Bin Laden fairy tale have REFUSED...time and time again to debate the physicists, scholars, engineers, intelliegnce people etc who are 9/11 truthers.

I wish that those of you who call us "nuts" would actually dedicate some time to researching the facts before you ridicule us. But before you do any research, you need to understand that the biggest barrioer to understanding the truth is not intellectual...it is PSYCHOLOGICAL.

Read the allegory of the cave by Plato...then study 911truthvirus.com in depth...

take small bites....it took me 2 years to deprogram myself. But if u stick with it, I promise that the truth will eventually hit you right between the eyes.

And though I agree that 9/11 activities should not be directly linked with Ron paul campaigning...keep in mind that once a person is turned on to 9/11 truth...HE AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES A RON PAUL SUPPORTER because he understand that the same forces who are blacklisting RP are the ones who did 9/11

These bastards murdered 3000 Americans in order to get us into war, set up the PATRIOT Act and Homeland security.

[lost_in_samoa]

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[Revolution9]

Max,

I know you've been here longer than me. I'm just a lowly lurker.

But you are beginning to sound like a TROLL to me. Chill.

Go print and distribute some slim-jims. Air out your anger by logging on and donating some cash to the campaign. Work with your meetup folks and do something constructive.


We need to concentrate on Dr. Paul's campaign

Sincerely

Lost_in_Samoa

On behalf of max in the face of your demeaning commands I offer you this rope to piss up..

Thanks
Randy

[max]

Max,

I know you've been here longer than me. I'm just a lowly lurker.

But you are beginning to sound like a TROLL to me. Chill.

Go print and distribute some slim-jims. Air out your anger by logging on and donating some cash to the campaign. Work with your meetup folks and do something constructive.


We need to concentrate on Dr. Paul's campaign

Sincerely

Lost_in_Samoa

I dont make an issue of 9/11 in here unless some control freak starts talking trash that he doesnt know anything about. It has been my observation that in 100% of the cases where these brawls have erupted it here, its due to some sanctimonious know-it-all bithcing and whining about "9/11 truth is hurting Ron Paul"

RP continues to appear on Alex Jones radio show (Jones is an outspoken truther) and he was friends with the late film producer Aaron Russo (another Truther). Why can't you ass-clowns show us the same degree of tolerance that RP shows Jones and Russo?

RP himself doesnt throw us under the bus...so why do u?

[AFTFNJ]

It is refutable, its been done multiple times by legitimate sources. And if 8 years studying engineering and construction isn't enough research id like to know where you get your facts.

Studying engineering then this is right up your alley!! Watch it & analyze it yourself, do not let MSM analyze it for you.

San Francisco Bay area architect Richard Gage, AIA,
http://www.ae911truth.org/ -Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth
Proof of Controlled Demolition 9/11 - Architect speaks out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...41047197474365 Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19675737766037 Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...03663508827383 Part 3