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    Nevada legal fight

    The legal fight continues here in Nevada. The local GOP has robbed us of our voice and of our ELECTED DELEGATES and replaced them with party appointed delegates.
    The legal battle continues, through the State, Supreme and Federal Courts.
    We will not just lay down and let this happen.
    For more information and what you can do to help please check out
    http://fairnevadaconventions.chipin....ions-in-nevada
    We can use all the help we can get.
    Last edited by brooklyn; 08-13-2008 at 10:30 PM. Reason: grammer correction



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    Quote Originally Posted by brooklyn View Post
    The legal fight continues here in Nevada. The local GOP has robbed us of our voice and of our ELECTED DELEGATES and replaced them with party appointed delegates.
    The legal battle continues, through the State, Supreme and Federal Courts.
    We will not just lay down and let this happen.
    For more information and what you can do to help please check out
    http://fairnevadaconventions.chipin....ions-in-nevada
    We can use all the help we can get.
    Keep this thread bumped. I'm pretty tight on funds for the remainder of August, but I'll see if I can strain some funds from somewhere. In the face of such corruption, we simply can't allow it to stand without a fight.

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    Bump.

    I live in Reno. I was there at the GOP when the F*'d us and support this 110%
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

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    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    The real message here to the NV GOP is that there are those of us in this Silver State who will not just sit back and be railroaded. My donation goes in today and as I find more money, I'll chipin more. The way I see it, no matter which state you reside in, this is a line in the sand for all of us. Let's make Nevada the example of our strength and our determination to bring the Republican Party back to its roots in conservatism and the Constitution. Seriously, I know we have donated lots of money to lots of chipins and all for good causes, but here we still have an opportunity to show strength. I encourage all of you to get behind this effort...and let's make a difference, again.....!

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    Not knocking this AT all. But, while we make Nevada the example of how NOT to do it, where is our example of a state that did it right, whether we won or lost. Who should we be backing for doing it right and pushing them up, etc.
    212 Degrees

    Given the current RNC Ticket...

    PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

    McCain FOR RETIREMENT!!!

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    Fyretrohl, what do you suggest? If there is a state that did it right, what would their need be at this time? Ron Paul supporters in Nevada tried to do it very right and as a matter of fact are still trying to make it right...seems to me, that is what this is about. Every state that has managed to get delegates into the convention, whether overtly or covertly has obviously done a terrific job and here is our chance to get 28 more in the door...if we make a stand. More than happy to give kudos and props to any state...well, actually to all Ron Paul supporters as getting this far has not been easy for anyone. Kudos to the meetups, to the organizers, to those who voted, went to state conventions...to everyone!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyretrohl View Post
    Not knocking this AT all. But, while we make Nevada the example of how NOT to do it, where is our example of a state that did it right, whether we won or lost. Who should we be backing for doing it right and pushing them up, etc.
    For clarification, I believe this poster is asking which "states" did it right. I think the NV Ron Paul delegates did everything they could do and more to rectify this messed up situation.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    For clarification, I believe this poster is asking which "states" did it right. I think the NV Ron Paul delegates did everything they could do and more to rectify this messed up situation.
    Agreed....well, let's start a props for States. Right off the top, I'd like to mention Idaho! Next?.... In a way, knowing what we know now, wouldn't you like to do it again...I mean before 4 years goes by? What have we learned? From what Dr. Paul has said, this is part of the process...the learning bit! Nobody said it would be easy.

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    I never expected something like what happened to have happened, and it "learned" me (yeah real good grammar there) that this entire election system is completely corrupted. When we were in there and we were the majority, I expected that would have at least earned their respect. Then when they finally figured out that about 2/3rds of the people attending the GOP were RP supporters, they up and walked out just to shut us out.

    I learned that probably the only way to get it done is to beat them at their own damn game. We have to infiltrate and take them over from the inside.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    You guys in Nevada have my respect and admiration. You already are the example for the rest of those that have rolled over and played dead.

    I am so proud of you all for sticking to your guns. Anybody contact the gentleman in charge of elections at the secretary of state? They have broken the law and it is his duty to rectify that.
    "And there's a greater burden on you than the average person because you know better. So you have an obligation to spread this message, others don't know any better so they don't have this obligation. You have, you are now responsible because you have the message, you know what is right, you know what has to be done, and you know that it will be dependant on you to do it." ......Ron Paul

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    Thank you Pepperpete, for your support and views.
    We continue this fight for all the states that had peoples votes discarded, nullified and rightful representation silenced.
    We will do all we can to continue this legal fight until this process is righted and the peoples voices are heard.
    We believe this is the right thing to do.

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    REMINDER
    Please chipin today. Apparently a GOP County Central Committee Chair at a meeting yesterday told a little "joke" about "What are grassroots people? The ones that get trampled." That mindset is, apparently, what we are up against and we must fight for an "open tent" and equality of all.

    http://fairnevadaconventions.chipin....ions-in-nevada

    "Grassroots Legal Fund to Ensure Fair Convention in Nevada"

    Introduction
    On April 26, 2008 the Nevada State GOP Convention ended abruptly, andwithout finishing its official business. Two perspectives have emerged in the aftermath: GOP leadership claims that poor planning, combined with an organized rule change effort by many delegates, led to the convention going over its contracted time with the venue. Grassrootsactivists, including both Ron Paul and John McCain supporters, believe that GOP leadership conspired to end the proceedings, because the delegates had successfully effected the rule change.

    Whatever thecase may be, the GOP leadership has decided that they are going to put aside their own rules, as well as Nevada state law, and appoint delegates to the Republican National Convention without an election.

    Grassroots activists and credentialed delegates have decided to make a stand. Acase was filed with the Nevada courts, to raise the issue of the Nevada law violation. Unfortunately, the judge dismissed the case. In the weeks that followed, the delegates regrouped and have formed a strategy that we believe will be successful no matter the outcome.

    Our plan is to shine a gigantic spotlight on the whole affair, and to make the price for unlawful actions and rule-breaking too high to continue. The state case will be appealed to the Nevada Supreme Court.And a new federal case will call for emergency relief to prevent the state party from appointing unelected delegates.
    Please help us by donating to the fund, and making a national embarrassment out of the Nevada State GOP leaders. Please help us bring integrity back to the process.

    To get the ball rolling, we need $4,000 by August18th, with the difference coming in over the rest of the month. We have already received many hours pro bono courtesy of our attorney. There is much work, and much expense, to come.

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    Reposted from dailypaul, 8/17, hope the poster doesn't mind, it is good information:

    Status of Nevada

    Here is the most recent correspondence outlining Nevada's strategy by two true Nevada Republican Delegates.

    "Hi everyone,
    As many of you are aware, a tremendous wrong was inflicted upon the Republican voters in the State of Nevada during the 2008 primaries.

    Our party rules called for a series of caucuses - progressing from the precinct level all the way up to the state level - culminating in the selection of Nevadaʼs delegates to GOP National Convention.

    We Ron Paul supporters worked our butts off through the entire process. We got ourselves elected to represent our precincts at the county conventions. We got ourselves elected at the county conventions to represent our counties at the State Convention. At the State Convention we were able to put ourselves into a position to get elected as delegates to the National Convention. Then the roof caved in. The party establishment did not want Ron Paul supporters at the national convention. When they saw we might get elected instead of their hand-picked delegates they quickly adjourned the convention.

    Although they promised to continue the convention at a later date so the votes of Nevadaʼs Republican Party members would determine the make-up of the Nevada delegation to the National Convention, they eventually reneged on their promise. After failing to recall the State Convention, the powers that be named their own hand-picked delegates for the National Convention. Furthermore, they are going to pretend to the world that these delegates were duly selected by the Republican voters of Nevada. THEY WERE NOT.

    We were denied our right to a meaningful vote. In fact, not only were we denied the right to a meaningful vote, but this benefit to which we were rightfully entitled - the right to name the Nevada delegates to the National Convention - was stolen by others for their own use. Furthermore, they are about to lie to the entire nation by claiming the delegates which are attending the National Convention under the Nevada banner are the duly elected representatives of Nevadaʼs Republican Party members.

    THIS CANNOT STAND. WE DEMAND REDRESS FOR THESE WRONGS.

    The thieves must be stopped now or they will just do this again and again, year after year. We are working toward this end. We have just begun but the battle will be long, hard and expensive.

    We are raising the issue with the National Party before the Credentials Committee. Should they decide to do the right thing and make sure the delegates seated under Nevadaʼs banner at the National Convention are the duly elected representatives of the Republican voters of Nevada, we will be vindicated. However, should this not occur, we have every intention of pursuing the only other avenue available to us - court action. Our voting rights have been stolen. Our time and effort has been stolen. Our financial resources have been stolen. State laws have been broken. Republican Party rules have been broken. We will not sit still. We cannot sit still.

    Presently, we have a lawsuit pending in Nevada District Court seeking to right these wrongs. Should the National Party respect our rights, we will end the suit. Until then, we will continue this battle.

    Although our first request for pre-trial relief has been denied by the low level court, this is not the end. In fact, it is only the beginning. We intend to raise this specific issue with the Nevada Supreme Court. We intend to continue to press the Nevada District Court to recognize the fact a theft has occurred and civil rights have been violated. We are also considering raising these issues in the Federal District Court. If we have to, we will go all the way to the top. We will not stop until the civil rights of the dedicated Ron Paul supporters are recognized.

    We have assembled a team of legal professionals to guide us through this process. Thus far, they have been more than generous to us with their time and expertise. We are sure they will continue to be so. However, there are expenses involved. There are costs from filing fees to office expenses. In addition, assisting us takes time away from these professionals that they would normally use to earn their living. While they have offered us very generous rates, we still must pay them something. Can we count on your help?

    http://fairnevadaconventi...

    We are not seeking grandiose contributions (but they will be gratefully accepted). A small amount from each of many people will do the trick. Can you spare 10, 20 or even 50 dollars to be sure the voices of the Ron Paul supporters in the Republican party will never be stolen again?

    All our efforts combined have brought us together to this point. Your continued support (moral and financial) in this endeavor is greatly needed and appreciated.

    Yours in Liberty,
    Anonymous

    P.S.- Look for follow-up e-mail later today regarding todays breaking news!!!"
    Last edited by JoshLowry; 08-17-2008 at 10:19 PM. Reason: removed personal info

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    Follow up repost from previous post:

    Here is the status of the Contest Committee ruling sent by Mike Weber, He is not a RP delegate but has been the most fair Republican official in this whole proces, followed by that are 2 RP delegates comments on the ruling.

    "Everyone,

    The Contest Committee ruled that the Nevada party did not elect the delegation properly. They are currently recommending that the Nevada delegation not be seated at all. I am deeply saddened that my state delegation will likely suffer the consequences of the actions of my state party leadership. I am certainly not proud that I had to pursue this Contest in the first place. It is my not my goal to gloat over this ruling but will attempt to find a positive approach to build toward the future. I have not released the report publicly as I believe it is an internal Party matter. I understand that others have. I will likely be politically crucified here in Nevada because of this, but should you hear any negative fallout as a result, it will not be from me.

    As many of you know, I am not a Ron Paul delegate. Only two Ron Paul supporters have offered me financial assistance in this. This has been financed out of my pocket, so I am not beholden to any group. I did not pursue this action to favor one candidate over another. I have been involved in the Republican Party organization for over 20 years. I have served at all levels of the party in some capacity including national delegate and two time member of the Rules Committee. Our party needs help, not punishment. Many of you offer the skills and knowledge to restore the proud traditions of this party in Nevada. I challenge each of you to look at what you are doing to further our conservative cause. I have had to stand for this many times, often alone. For many of you this is new and exciting, for others it is boring or too controversial. 20 years ago when I first got involved there were hundreds and hundreds of new people excited to get involved. 20 years later only a few of this group remain. How many of you will still be involved to sustain this cause in 20 years from now? The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. If this great experiment call American freedom falls to socialism, I hope it will not be because I have abandoned the effort. I ask that you not blame “them.” Let’s build a party of “us” and take aim at the Democrats and liberals.

    This Contest is not over. Please pray for continued justice.

    Mike Weber"

    "Hi Everyone,

    Woo, woo. Phase 1 completed. Way to go Mike, et al. What a huge win. Although the committee did not recommend that the delegation elected at Nevada’s June convention be seated at the National Convention, they did recommend that Lowden’s hand-picked slate not be seated either. Way to go Lowden. You left Nevada’s voting Republicans with no voice at our National Convention.

    But,this is just the beginning. The National Convention itself is next. Mrs. Lowden is confident the Convention will not accept the committee’s recommendation. As quoted on the Las Vegas Review-Journal website this morning (08/16/08), Lowden claims, "the Nevada Republican Party fully expected today's decision . . . [w]e have every intention of moving forward with our delegation and are prepared to be seated at the national convention."

    WE are prepared to be sure that does not happen. She cannot be rewarded for stealing our rights.

    Of course, Lowden and her cohort, State Senate leader Bob Beers continue to blame everybody but themselves for the current finding that Nevada has no lawfully selected national delegates. In their pleadings to the Nevada District Court, they blame the Paul supporters for being too rowdy at the convention and not leaving enough time. Their assertion is ridiculous. Lowden and company forgot their obligation was to schedule a convention. The time they claim they allotted was barely enough time for a coronation of the Lowden slate much less any dissent or discussion amongst the elected delegates. Any inkling of desire on the part of the elected delegates to actually make some decisions would have caused the convention to go over the allegedly allotted time.

    Besides, their claim they ran out of time to hold a convention according to state law and the party rules is a complete lie. While they may well have only reserved the meeting hall until 5:00, facility personnel has informed us the hall was free and available to us the remainder of the evening and the following day. But, according to Court documents, Lowden’s counsel stated they could not expect the delegates to stay in Reno another night. Again, their claims are belied by their own documents. In fact, there is a letter from the Clark County (Las Vegas) Republican Party to their local delegates - sent before the convention - telling them to be prepared to stay in Reno both Friday and Saturday nights.

    Even if you believe all this Lowden/Beers nonsense - that the bad actions of the Romney/Thompson/Paul delegates caused them to have to adjourn the Nevada Republican Convention before it had completed its work - it still does not account for what they did next.

    Roberts Rules of Order - the rules under which organization meetings of all types have been run in this country for over a century and a half - the rules which were explicitly adopted for the management of Republican Party meetings both nationally and in Nevada - have explicit rules regarding the conduct of the chairperson and the delegates in these situations. Lowden/Beers decided not to follow these rules.

    After prematurely adjourning the convention, Roberts Rules assigns specific duties to the chairperson - he/she must recall the convention to order at a later date. Lowden/Beers did not want to do this. They wanted to name their own slate of delegates. So, rather than meeting their duty to the Republican Party voters pursuant to Republican Party rules, they did something else to try to cover their butts and continue their lame excuse for failing to let the delegates vote. Instead of meeting their absolute duty to the voters, they created a scenario by which they could blame the delegates themselves. Rather than recalling the convention, as they were required to do, they merely sent a questionnaire to the delegates asking if they would attend. Not only was this “effort” designed to fail, but it is not even an allowable option under our party rules. Not only that, they specified one exact date - the very last day upon which a recalled convention could be lawfully held. Not only did Lowden/Beers not allow for any alternative dates, they solicited the opinion of delegates by the method least likely to elicit a response. Claiming an insufficient number of delegates would attend, Beers declined to meet his duty under explicit Republican Party rules to recall the Nevada Convention to order.

    This action is clearly contradictory to the explicit rules regarding recalling a convention to order. Beers did not have an option to inquire as to whether delegates planned to attend. The Rules mandate he recall the convention. There are no allowable alternatives. Robert’s Rules, when followed correctly, simply do not allow for a theft of voting rights in this situation. Toward that end, the Rules also specify each delegates has an absolute duty to their constituents to attend such a recalled convention. Again, there is no option. Interestingly, the Lowden/Beers letter failed to remind the elected delegates of this absolute duty owed by the delegates to the Republican voters to attend a recalled convention.

    You might ask, “what if a sufficient number of delegates failed to attend even a properly recalled convention?” This is an import question. Robert’s Rules - as explicit adopted by both our state and national parties - require that a quorum be present in order for a convention to lawfully conduct its business. Again, the Rules deal with this potential situation. The convention must be recalled anyway. If a quorum does not show up the next step is clear - the recalled convention is to adjourn with instructions to the Chair to take any and all actions necessary to procure a quorum. The Party’s letter asking delegates if they might attend and assuming the negative from a failure to respond is a far cry from anything that might meet this obligation.

    There is also a serious question about whether enough delegates would have attended a recalled convention. Without having meet the duty to recall the convention, the question of how many delegates would actually have attended will never be answered. However, there is still a serious question about how many delegates would have been required for the recalled convention to conduct its business.

    In their haste to terminate the convention so the duly elected county delegates could not have a voice, the Chair neglected to have the delegates vote to accept the recommendation of the credentials committee so the number of registered delegates could be actually ascertained. Therefore, pursuant to the Rules, the number of attendees at the original meeting, the April convention, do not count toward the requirement for a quorum. Who ever appeared at the recalled convention would automatically be considered a quorum. The claim that a quorum would not be present for a recalled convention is just more garbage from Lowden/Beers. (Besides, if the elected county delegates were informed that party business would be lawfully conducted, we suspect a vast number would have found a way to attend).

    As you can see, the Lowden/Beers claim that they followed the Rules and did what they could to reconvene is complete bologna. What they did was create a nonsensical excuse to steal the voice of Nevada’s Republican voters and procure it for themselves.

    Although we all consider theft to be wrong, both legally and morally, sometimes it is excusable. If a pennyless person steals a loaf of bread to feed his family, while wrong, it is somewhat understandable. But, what about the opposite - when Lowden, one of the wealthiest human beings on the face of this earth, intentionally steals from the working class. I call that despicable. And the fact that our elected Republican representative Mr. Beers has chosen to hitch his horse to this despicable human being (and I use the term “human being” very loosely in this context) speaks volumes as to his real motivations.

    Lowden/Beers and company have made a mockery of the democratic process in our party. They must not prevail. For those who understand the analogy to the book Animal Farm, us horses, owls and other barnyard animals must retake our party from the pigs and sheep who have taken control. Stay with us.

    In addition, it is time for us to see where Nevada’s elected Republican representatives stand on this issue. Do they believe it is their responsibility to act as instructed by the voters and the rules or do they believe we are merely puppets to be manipulated at their pleasure. Help us to continue to present the truth behind this important inquiry.

    Your in Liberty,
    Anonymous
    "
    Last edited by JoshLowry; 08-17-2008 at 10:19 PM. Reason: removed personal info

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    Thanks for these updates from gmartine....

    Hopefully now everyone can understand why we continue this battle and add to the chipin. I am not familiar with them, but I sure like their style! Sue Lowden and Bob Beers with the RNC in DC behind them, tried a fast one...and it has come back to bite them.

    This paragraph: "In their haste to terminate the convention so the duly elected county delegates could not have a voice, the Chair neglected to have the delegates vote to accept the recommendation of the credentials committee so the number of registered delegates could be actually ascertained. Therefore, pursuant to the Rules, the number of attendees at the original meeting, the April convention, do not count toward the requirement for a quorum. Who ever appeared at the recalled convention would automatically be considered a quorum. ..." Would be one that opens the door even wider for the acceptance of the number of delegates who attended the June 28th reconvene as organized by Terhune/Weber group, imo.

    Also, every delegate to the original date that could be reached (lacking the NV GOP supplying the original list as was their duty), was and when they chose not to attend the June 28th date as was their duty, (see update info above), they rather gave away their rights, as I see it. I'd be hard pressed to imagine that any court, counsel, or panel could discount the parlimentarian ways used by Mike Weber, et al, on June 28th.

    Please everyone, support this effort. Thanks from Nevadans for liberty and fairly run conventions.
    Last edited by JoshLowry; 08-17-2008 at 10:20 PM. Reason: removed personal info

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    Nevada Legal fight

    A little more fodder to chew on.
    NRS 298.020
    1. Each major political party in this State, qualified by law to place upon the general election ballot candidates for the office of President and Vice President of the United States in the year when they are to be elected, shall AT THE STATE CONVENTION of the major political party held in that year, choose from the qualified electors, who are legally registered members of that political party, the number of presidential electors REQUIRED BY LAW and no more, WHO MUST BE NOMINATED BY THE DELEGATES AT THE STATE CONVENTION. Upon the nomination thereof, the chairman and the secretary of the convention shall certify the names and addresses of the nominees to the Secretary of State, who shall record the names in his office as the nominees of that political party for presidential elector.

    Seems to me our highly esteemed Chairman and party leadership screwed up big time on this one! There were no nominations from the delegates for presidential electors so who did the party leadership think they were going to send?
    This gets deeper and darker for those inept thieves who were in charge.
    They will continue to wiggle and squirm and point at everyone except those whose responsibility it was to hold and run a FAIR and LEGAL convention.
    Stay tuned for more action later on this week!

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    Bear in mind that the Presidential electors are not the National delegates. The national delegates attend the Nat. GOP convention and choose the presidential candidate. The National Electors attend the electoral college and vote on the Presidential election itself. If Nevada comes in GOP then the GOP Electors are the electoral college voters. If Nevada goes DFL then the DFL electors represent NV in the electoral college. Winner take all.

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    Thumbs up Nevada Legal battle

    Some more information on this issue.
    I think we have them on the ropes!
    We will see this week!

    Presidential Electors

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------




    The rules adopted by our convention in Reno require that the Presidential Electors for Nevada be selected by the delegates to the National Convention. This is in conflict with state law which requires the electors to be chosen by the state convention. Here is the wording of the state convention rules:

    4.1 Electing Presidential Electors and Alternates.

    "Presidential Electors and Alternates representing the three Nevada U.S. Congressional Districts shall be selected by Nevada's Delegates to the Republican National Convention."

    There is more than one mistake in the above. The first mistake is that the selection must be done by the convention to conform with state law. The other mistakes are that there are not three but five Presidential Electors. And they do not represent the congressional districts at all, but the districts are simply used to determine the total number. The number of Presidential electors for each state is equal to the total number of congressional districts plus two. Therefore Nevada gets a total of five presidential electors. Each state gets the number of Presidential electors equal to the number of senators and representatives. The Democrats have already chosen their five electors, and have done it properly by their convention. Someone was asleep at the wheel when the above rule was written into the rules.

    Here is the text of the Nevada law on the subject:

    NRS 298.020 Selection of party's nominees.

    1. "Each major political party in this State, qualified by law to place upon the general election ballot candidates for the office of President and Vice President of the United States in the year when they are to be elected, shall, at the state convention of the major political party held in that year, choose from the qualified electors, who are legally registered members of that political party, the number of presidential electors required by law and no more, who must be nominated by the delegates at the state convention. Upon the nomination thereof, the chairman and the secretary of the convention shall certify the names and addresses of the nominees to the Secretary of State, who shall record the names in his office as the nominees of that political party for presidential elector."

    ...................................... ........................................ ........................................ ....

    It has often been said that party rules trump state law. I am not sure that I agree with that, but that line of thinking is in the bylaws of the state party. However, I suspect that very few would argue that party rules trump or have priority over the Federal Constitution. And in fact that Constitution of the United States very specifically states that the state legislatures shall determine the method by which the Presidential Electors are determined. Here is the text:

    Article. II.

    Section 1.

    The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

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    This where they are referring to the election of the electors for Nevada:
    http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G08/NV.phtml
    "And there's a greater burden on you than the average person because you know better. So you have an obligation to spread this message, others don't know any better so they don't have this obligation. You have, you are now responsible because you have the message, you know what is right, you know what has to be done, and you know that it will be dependant on you to do it." ......Ron Paul



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    Battle Over State Republican Delegates Continues + Digg!
    As posted 8/18 on dailypaul:

    "I've never seen a process used like this in the State of Nevada," says Mike Weber who's actively been challenging this year's process. "Therefore, I'm going back to defend the process that's always been the traditional election and convention processes in the State."

    http://digg.com/politics/CORRUPTED_D...n_To_The_R_N_C
    Last edited by pauletteNV; 08-18-2008 at 10:56 AM. Reason: correcting link

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    Spread The Word

    Folks,

    Although I plan on donating $25 to the cause in the next few days, spread the word among the more independent radio programs in the Las Vegas area. Although I can't think of his name (Erskine?) at the moment, one host in that area should be very receptive to this idea. Keep this fund bumped here, but spread the word locally in Nevada as well. Every American has a stake in this fight for honest elections.
    Last edited by tpreitzel; 08-18-2008 at 01:31 PM.

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    I sent some funds last week or maybe 2 weeks ago. I really think the CFL should cough up some of our $5 million for this.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperpete1 View Post
    You guys in Nevada have my respect and admiration. You already are the example for the rest of those that have rolled over and played dead.

    I am so proud of you all for sticking to your guns. Anybody contact the gentleman in charge of elections at the secretary of state? They have broken the law and it is his duty to rectify that.
    This has nothing to do with the secretary of state. The Republican party is a private organization in the sense that it can hold its own convention and its own national delegate elections. The secretary of state has nothing to do with this process.

    And we can quote statutes all day long, but courts will give a lot of leeway to parties to handle internal conflicts internally. They are very hesitant to get involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I sent some funds last week or maybe 2 weeks ago. I really think the CFL should cough up some of our $5 million for this.
    I think you misunderstand what the CFL is about. Dr. Paul will have nothing to do with this fight, and neither will the CFL.

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