Well I was told and and read that the German healthcare system is different from a universal approach. Anyway, will someone with a more understanding on the German healthcare system please explain it. I'm kind of too tired to read anything, lol.
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http://www.justlanded.com/english/Ge...h/Introduction
Found a quick little article on it. It's obviously better then universal healthcare, but how about also comparing it to a free market one?
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." -- Winston Churchill
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We do not have any national health yet we still spend the most per capita on healthcare of any other country in the world. Even with spending that much money, we still have large amounts of people (nearly 50 million) with no access to the system because they have no insurance. Are we better off than countries with national health care systems that offer at least some care to all and have lower total per person costs? The cost is one of the criticisms of any sort of national program. Yet others cover more people and cost less money. Our life expectancy is not higher either despite spending more money. One reason is that we have more paperwork requirements for all the numerous insurance programs a hospital has to deal with. Some 25% of every dollar of healthcare costs is simply paperwork.
Any such program would have to include some sort of cost control.
Want to fix health care? Repeal the HMO act of 1976
"Anarchists oppose the State because it has its very being in such aggression, namely, the expropriation of private property through taxation, the coercive exclusion of other providers of defense service from its territory, and all of the other depredations and coercions that are built upon these twin foci of invasions of individual rights." -Murray Rothbard
Anyone who thinks that a socialized universal healthcare plan administered by thieves and extornists should be shot. No sane person in their right mind would want a thief or extornist controlling their household so why would anyone want them to control their healthcare. Most people who want a socialized universal national healthcare plan need to go talk to their health insurance agent or the health insurance agent who handles their employers plans. When they learn that the cost of medical insurance goes up every single year because of the mandates by the states and federal government and how it happens they would understand why we DO NOT NEED A UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE PLAN THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE MANAGED BY THIEVES.
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free.
--P.J. O'Rourke
I was asking about the German health care system, does anybody know anything about it?
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." -- Winston Churchill
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All I know is that Big Pharma utterly took over and criminalized most, if not all natural health products (thus forcing people to use drugs instead of seek natural cures). The NHPs that remain legal are taxed to the point where they are unfeasibly expensive (bottle of vitamin C for over 50$). They are trying to do this in my country (Canada) now, but public outrage is forcing the (neo)Conservative government to back off a bit, and hopefully they will get raped next election. Although really I could see Liberals doing the exact same thing.Originally Posted by The_Orlonater
That's a start. It would also help if HSAs gained in popularity and some of the restrictions were taken off. Dr. Paul already thought about some of this though.
Comprehensive Health Care Act
HSA are already better than HMO style for the employer. FAR cheaper to do. I think that most would get rid of their HMO offering and go with just HSA and then prices for health care would start to also decline. There are probably piles of other legislation that would have to be burned, but this is a very good start.
"Anarchists oppose the State because it has its very being in such aggression, namely, the expropriation of private property through taxation, the coercive exclusion of other providers of defense service from its territory, and all of the other depredations and coercions that are built upon these twin foci of invasions of individual rights." -Murray Rothbard
Price controls create shortages.
The free market controls prices quite nicely.
Right now the health care system is allegedly rationed by an ability to pay. (I am actually not even willing to concede that point, but that's a different story.) In the socialist universal model, the rationing is merely shifted to the government. So, instead of having a relatively small subset of people who (allegedly) can't receive certain types of care, we'll all find ourselves unable to receive certain types of care.
And anybody who is looking at German models simply doesn't believe in free markets.
Last edited by angelatc; 08-03-2008 at 07:51 AM.
The problem is not the access to the care but the quality of care you get for all the money you spend. If the truth be told, natural medicine everyone can pay for it is very affordable and IT WORKS BETTER than western medicine for all kinds of chronic and degenerative diseases which people in this country continue to go to see the WRONG KIND OF DOCTORS FOR. Read my thread about the The dangers of Modern Western Medicine in the USA and take a look at the report in Life Extension Magazine based on statistics in medical journals and you'll see that millions of Americans die every year just going to Medical Doctors. WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE want taxpayers to pay for those horrid results with universal "health care". It really should be called sick care because anyone on prescriptions is sick. The drugs just cover up their sickness. A naturopathic doctor would help them get RID of the sickness and get their health back. TRUST ME (and note my user name), the LAST THING WE NEED IN THIS COUNTRY IS UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. Those who think they want it ought to THINK AGAIN and be careful what they wish for. Its all but guaranteed any choice of doctors and treatment would be gone with universal healthcare in fact FORCED TREATMENTS would probab,ly become the norm! Who wants that?
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