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    Al Gore: Carbon-free electricity in 10 years

    Gore: Carbon-free electricity in 10 years doable
    By DINA CAPPIELLO
    Associated Press Writer
    Jul 17, 6:09 PM EDT
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Vice President Al Gore called Thursday for a "man on the moon" effort to switch all of the nation's electricity production to wind, solar and other carbon-free sources within 10 years, a goal that he said would solve global warming as well as economic and natural security crises caused by dependence on fossil fuels.

    "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels," Gore told a packed auditorium in Washington's historic Constitution Hall. "When you connect the dots, it turns out that the real solutions to the climate crisis are the very same measures needed to renew our economy and escape the trap of ever-rising energy prices."

    Gore compared the challenge to establishing Social Security and the Interstate highway system, as well as landing a man on the moon - all successes that took more than a single presidency to accomplish and required members of both political parties to overcome their partisanship.

    The Alliance for Climate Protection, a bipartisan group Gore leads, put the 30-year cost of his plan - both government and private - at $1.5 trillion to $3 trillion.

    To speed up the transition to new energy sources, Gore said the single most important policy change would be to "tax what we burn, not what we earn," advocating a tax on carbon dioxide pollution.

    Gore's proposal would represent a significant shift in where the U.S. gets its power. In 2005, coal supplied slightly more than half the nation's 3.7 billion kilowatt hours of electricity. Nuclear power accounted for 21 percent, natural gas 15 percent and renewable sources, including wind and solar, about 8.6 percent.

    Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for sounding the alarm about climate change and his documentary on the issue, "An Inconvenient Truth," won an Oscar. In his speech, he did address what to do about coal, which is responsible for more than a third of the United States' carbon dioxide pollution, blamed as the chief culprit for global warming.

    Coal's share of electricity generation is only expected to grow between now and 2030, according to Energy Department forecasts that assume no new government controls will be put on greenhouse gases. Renewable energy resources' share of the power production would grow to 11 percent under that scenario.

    In an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press, Gore he said his plan counts on nuclear power plants still providing about a fifth of the nation's electricity while the U.S. dramatically increases its use of solar, wind, geothermal energy and clean coal technology. He said one of the largest obstacles will be updating the nation's electricity grid to harness power from solar panels, windmills and dams and transport it to cities.

    The Edison Electric Institute, the private utility industry's trade association, said it shares Gore's support for more renewable generation, a "smarter" power grid and plug-in hybrid motor vehicles.

    "But we cannot do the job with renewables and efficiency alone," it said. A portfolio for the future must also include "an expanded role for nuclear energy, as well as natural gas and clean coal with carbon capture and storage."

    Some energy experts said the turnaround Gore advocates is too fast.

    Robbie Diamond, president of Securing America's Future Energy, a bipartisan think tank, said weaning the nation away from fossil fuels - coal, oil and natural gas - can't be done in a decade.

    "The country is not going to be able to go cold turkey," Diamond said. "We have hundreds of years of infrastructure with trillions of dollars of investment that is not simply going to be made obsolete."

    Gore said the changing economics of energy, in which high gasoline and oil prices are driving investments in renewable energy, would overcome the political and technological obstacles.

    His challenge comes as Congress, and the White House, are debating how to address high energy prices, particularly the oil that drives the nation's transportation. Both Democrats and Republicans are pushing for more exploration and production of domestic fossil fuels, albeit in different ways.

    "It is only a truly dysfunctional system that would buy into the perverse logic that the short-term answer to high gasoline prices is drilling for more oil 10 years from now," Gore said.

    In the past year, Congress has rejected initiatives that would make Gore's vision a reality. Requiring a percentage of the nation's energy to come from alternative sources didn't have enough support in the Senate to become part of an energy bill in December. And a bill last month to cut greenhouse gases got 48 votes in the Senate.

    Jonathan Lash, president of the World Resources Institute, said in a statement Thursday that the problem has been political will.

    "Climate change and energy security are not just threats ..., they are opportunities," he said. "We need to change the debate in this country from what we can't do, to what we can do."

    Gore told the AP he hoped the speech would contribute to "a new political environment in this country that will allow the next president to do what I think the next president is going to think is the right thing to do." He said both fellow Democrat Barack Obama and Republican rival John McCain are "way ahead" of most politicians in the fight against global climate change.

    McCain, who supports building more nuclear power plants as one solution to global warming, said Thursday he admires Gore as an early and outspoken advocate of addressing the global warming problem even though "there may be some aspects of climate change that he and I are in disagreement (on)."

    Of the goals Gore outlined Thursday for generating more electricity with solar and wind resources, McCain said, "If the vice president says it's doable, I believe it's doable."

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    Al Gore is delusional in two ways... 1) In thinking that is even possible and 2) Thinking he's even 1/4th as important as John F Kennedy.

    The ultimate irony of Al Gore is that he'll always be remembered as the guy who had the election 'stolen' from him, yet I consider him stealing the Nobel prize from Irena Sendler far more of an upset. Sendler, if you're not familiar with her, saved thousands of children from the Nazis, found them places to live when their parents were killed, was arrested and tortured... and btw, she died in early 2008 (at age 98), so she'll never have a chance at the prize.

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    interesting to see that bob barr was there for the speech

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    LOL! That Social Security thing is working out so well, lets model an energy program after it.

    If the price rises high enough, alternatives will develop.

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    Yeah, and then he can tax us all for breathing with our 'carbon footprint' and global carbon tax.
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    Are we going nukuler? Can the power grid handle all the cars being plugged into it if they all go electrical? If you want to go no- oil and no carbon it is the only source that can generate enough. I did not realize that nuke plants account for 21% of electricity. I thought it was much lower. Maybe that depends on what part of the country. Most of the plants are starting to get old. We probably need more, smaller ones strategically located. Just watch out for the NIMBY's though. Aproval of sites is a very difficult process.

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    I hope one day we go more the way of Switzerland, which has 53% Hydro and 42% Nuclear....in our case though, I'd want to see the Hydro supplemented by more nuclear...heck, or even France, which is around 78%

    Overall though, I'd let the market decide what is the absolute best as opposed to the government saying everyone has to use a certain type of power plant....so long as property rights are adhered to (the companies that put in those wind-turbines really steam-roll property rights).

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    It's also completely false to call wind carbon-free power.

    Your average commercial wind turbine contains ~200 tons of steel. You can't mine iron ore, make steel, or erect the wind turbines using equipment ran on solar panels. In fact, Japan's blast furnaces alone created 12% of their carbon foot print. You also have to consider the millions of acres of land that'd need to be cleared of trees to make way for more iron mines and the actual wind farms.

    Funny thing is, the liberals think we need to block all oil/coal production to force us to switch over to alternative energy, but the costs of alternative energy are ironically linked to.... fossil fuels. The price of steel is linked to fossil fuels, and the price of wind turbines are linked to the price of steel... it's rather simple.

    You also have to consider that during times when there's no wind, we'd have to produce more energy from coal, unless we have nuclear/hydro to back it up, which we won't because liberals don't believe in that stuff.



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    correct me if im wrong but dont trees and people give off carbon? should we all just be mulch?

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    Al Gore is a $#@!ing moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satchelmcqueen View Post
    correct me if im wrong but dont trees and people give off carbon? should we all just be mulch?
    We give off carbon, trees give off oxygen.


    We should just kill most people off then.

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    Here is my answer to people who believe in Global warming caused by man ... "If you believe we have too much carbon dioxide, rip your $#@!ing lungs out (you stupid liberal)"

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    Can't we just let a true Free Market exist and let them decide when it's time for carbon-free electricity.
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    the liberals are convinced that what we have right now is free market and free market is what caused the economic crisis :P

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    We've always had a "fair" market, never a free market.
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    Has anyone noticed that Al Gore looks a bit like L. Ron Hubbard...The Church of Climatology has spoken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Orlonater View Post
    We give off carbon, trees give off oxygen.
    Decaying trees give off carbon.
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Orlonator
    We should just kill most people off then.

    Hello and welcome NWO!
    I believe this is part of the plan-- reduce the earth's population by 2/3.

    I'm pretty undecided about nuclear power. For one thing, it produces the most toxic substance known to mankind. On the other hand, it is an effective, low-cost source of energy.

    Al Gore hasn't achieved his biggest contribution to society yet-- convincing tree hugging leftists that nuclear power is a viable option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason T View Post
    Al Gore is delusional in two ways... 1) In thinking that is even possible and 2) Thinking he's even 1/4th as important as John F Kennedy.

    The ultimate irony of Al Gore is that he'll always be remembered as the guy who had the election 'stolen' from him, yet I consider him stealing the Nobel prize from Irena Sendler far more of an upset. Sendler, if you're not familiar with her, saved thousands of children from the Nazis, found them places to live when their parents were killed, was arrested and tortured... and btw, she died in early 2008 (at age 98), so she'll never have a chance at the prize.
    oh well. was she a commie?

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    Well, we have a little information, so let's go off half cocked! Water is a greenhouse gas, too. It also traps heat when in the atmosphere. Oklahoma was always hot, now that we've dammed up every river we have at least once each, now we're hot and muggy. Yeah, I know, too bad so sad for us, but I mention it because it nicely demonstrates the law of unintended consequences. McCarthy was more interested in more cannon fodder to buy votes with than in discovering the whole truth, and I don't see the slightest evidence that Al Gore is one bit better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Orlonater View Post
    We give off carbon, trees give off oxygen.


    We should just kill most people off then.

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    When we die and decompose, we give off carbon (and other nasty things)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryKnoxFineBooks View Post
    When we die and decompose, we give off carbon (and other nasty things)
    Outlaw death! That way we'll have more time to pay taxes!
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    I tend to be environmentally minded but when I started noticing that every time an alternate carbon free source of energy was becoming viable the leaders of the environmental movement started tearing it down. Case in point, when the wind farms became big enough to to provide viable amounts of energy, the environmentalists sued because of noise and the killing of the birds. It was the environmentalists that shut down the large viable hydro plants and completely shut down nuclear plants. If solar panels become cheap enough I am sure the areas of large dark panels will asorb more solar energy and contribute to global warming.
    The more I looked at it I found the trend in their methods was that the only way to control the problem is global extreme population control and elimination. It is always presented in a hysterical "we have to do something now or we all are going to die!" Kind of like the war on terror. Hmmmm.
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    What these morons refuse to accept is that increased levels of atomospheric CO2 are a RESULT of a warming cycle and not a CAUSE of it.

    On a side note, curbside recycling causes pollution.Seriously, it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruehound View Post
    What these morons refuse to accept is that increased levels of atomospheric CO2 are a RESULT of a warming cycle and not a CAUSE of it.

    On a side note, curbside recycling causes pollution.Seriously, it does.

    Do not be afraid to speak the truth.
    co2 is a real green house gas, it's just not merely as powerful as people suggest. The 'doomsday scenario' about global warming is following the assumption that the macro-environment gives positive feedback to certain levels of warming - in other words, they say that warmer temps cause more GHGs to be emitted (such as carbon from warm oceans and methane from ice caps) and therefore cause more warming, however, this theory of 'runaway global warming' is unproven.

    The alarmists will always just say we're 2 degrees(c) away from runaway global warming. Coincidently, that is also usually the estimate of how much the earth will warm within 100 years if we don't change our habits, so it does raise questions.

    As far as recycling goes, you're partially right - recycling metal will always be very worthwhile, from economic and environmental standpoints. Metal is the only form of recycling that can earn people true money and can be done w/o gov subsidies.

    Lastly, the #1 misconception of environmentalists is that if we increase the price of fossil fuels we'll increase the viable of alternatives, when the prices of commodities used to construct alternatives is linked to the price of fossil fuels.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Orlonater View Post
    We give off carbon, trees give off oxygen.


    We should just kill most people off then.

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    what's more, high concentrations of oxygen are poisenous to humans. kill the trees! lol anywho, how is al gore going to produce the equipment and machinery for the solar, wind, blah blah with out creating carbon as a by product?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason T View Post

    As far as recycling goes, you're partially right - recycling metal will always be very worthwhile, from economic and environmental standpoints. Metal is the only form of recycling that can earn people true money and can be done w/o gov subsidies.
    Not true. Composting food waste closes the loop. It can be done for profit if done thoughtfully. Please see this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleLightShining View Post
    Not true. Composting food waste closes the loop. It can be done for profit if done thoughtfully. Please see this thread.
    Bruehound and I were referring to government recycling plants, eg paper, plastic, and cans.

    Recycling plastic is a complete waste of time. Recycling paper isn't a complete waste of time, but it's not exactly efficient either.

    Of course just about any recycling a rational person does on his own accord is worthwhile, because he's the judge on whether or not it's worthwhile. But the government subsidies for plastic recycling are a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason T View Post
    Bruehound and I were referring to government recycling plants, eg paper, plastic, and cans.

    Recycling plastic is a complete waste of time. Recycling paper isn't a complete waste of time, but it's not exactly efficient either.

    Of course just about any recycling a rational person does on his own accord is worthwhile, because he's the judge on whether or not it's worthwhile. But the government subsidies for plastic recycling are a waste.
    I catch your drift. But there are many municipalities across the country who are seeing a need to divert organic waste from the landfill and composting is the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Outlaw death! That way we'll have more time to pay taxes!
    That's crazy enough to work http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7081038.stm

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