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In this rare case....no problem....
http://mises.org/multimedia/mp3/audi...2874_Hoppe.mp3
" Anyone can become angry. That is easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose and in the right way - that is not easy." --Aristotle
( unanswered questions: 4 of 4 )
What ELSE is the government SUPPOSED to be, but is not? The STATE really needs no more lackey lapdog apologists.
Police don't PROTECT my or your rights, they ENFORCE the law ( sometimes ). That is why they are called "law enforcement officers".
What are private security guards?
What are private body guards?
How about thinking "outside the ( state ) box", for a change?
Home work assignment: D of I.
Last edited by Truth Warrior; 07-02-2008 at 07:53 AM.
You asked what was the utopia with free market anarchism.. and I told it. You cant wish away the state. Where there is no state, someone will create one threw civil war.
Imagining that the state magically dissappeared overnight and a number of private companies where allowed to take its place. So the theory might go that instead of having a state charging for its protections service threw forced taxation, that the companies get payed for its protection services threw voluntarily payment. Well this is naive, because what is to keep these private companies from morfing into the state (or states). What is to keep them nice, and wait for customers voluntarily to pay them for their service, what is to keep them from force customers to pay it for its services (at gun point and threats of violence). What is to keep these companies from turning into mafias, gangs, militias and states? Nothing, because the guys with the guns make the rules. Waiving a contract or the law in their face, and telling them.. "but.. but you promised!" or "you work for me, remember?". Will get you nowhere. The only reason people and companies respects the law and contracts is because there is some bigger stronger authority than themselves with the power to violently punish rule breakers. In the market anarchist utopia there is no such authority. Law creation and law enforcement comes from the top down, you cant make it into a bottom up system, however nice that would be. You cant make the law (and payment for it) voluntary instead of mandatory, however nice sounds.
I mean its not so hard to imagine that without a state there is civil war, is it? And civil wars end when one party has become the state. Civil wars are free market competition in the are of violence and law, at the end of this process pops out a brand spanking new state. Like those weird birds eggs that hatch, and the strongest most violent chick kills all its competitor siblings. Well thats alittle like civil wars, the strongest most violent group wins and kills off all the other competition. The winner is called the state, because it now has a monopoly on violence.
Anyways, i'll not write more about this.. If you still think companies can take the place of the state (when it comes to law creation and law enforcement) without turning into the state.. then I got no more arguments.
Cheers
Last edited by DriftWood; 07-02-2008 at 12:47 PM.
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