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    NC GUN OWNERS: Sweeping gun control coming soon

    Re-posting this from the BEARING ARMS forum. I sincerely hope some of you will help to fight against this dangerous, un-Constitutional bill.

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    Why Is The Tarheel State Trying To Be More Anti-gun Than The Federal
    Government?
    -- NICS reporting bill flawed in numerous ways

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
    http://www.gunowners.org

    Wednesday, June 18, 2008


    Dear North Carolina gun rights supporter,

    You probably recall the long fight in Congress last year over the Veteran's
    Disarmament Act. Although GOA -- thanks to its very active members -- was
    able to substantially improve that legislation, it still represents the most
    significant gun control passed at the federal level in the last decade.

    In essence, large numbers of mental health records are now being sent by the
    states to the federal NICS system for purposes of gun purchase background
    checks. And so states are implementing procedures as to how they are going
    to do this.

    To no one's great surprise, the politicians in Raleigh are screwing up the
    process big-time.

    SB 2081 will potentially disarm large numbers of North Carolinians who pose
    no danger to themselves or others... probably even in violation of federal
    law! You read it right. SB 2081 goes beyond what is legally permissable
    under federal law in many cases.

    First, some background: In a letter dated May 9, 2007, the BATFE made it
    clear that it is now going to treat a simple OUTPATIENT mental health
    referral as though it were a "commitment to a mental
    institution" -- and
    thus a reason to prohibit a citizen from purchasing guns. In the same nutty
    letter, BATFE opined that as long as there is even a *miniscule* chance of
    persons being a danger to themselves or others (or being unable to handle
    the vagaries of their affairs), the prohibition will stand. And what
    psychiatrist is going to bet his or her professional reputation that a given
    individual will never be a miniscule danger?

    However, this letter is not a regulation, it is just BATFE's opinion. And
    therein lies the rub. Even though federal interpretations are anti-gun, they
    do require at least a tiny risk or some incompetence to be demonstrated.
    There is no requirement in federal law that such outpatient records must be
    delivered to NICS by the states.

    When SB 2081 bans "outpatients" from owning firearms, it is
    banning a class
    of citizens, which BY STATUTORY DEFINITION poses no danger! None. NC General
    Statute 122C-263(d)(1) permits commitment to outpatient treatment only for
    people "capable of surviving safely in the community" whereas
    dangerous
    people, by law, have to be committed to an inpatient facility.

    That doesn't seem to matter to anti-gun politicians like Attorney General
    Roy Cooper, who has literally bragged that outpatient reporting has disarmed
    80,000 people in Virginia... apparently he hopes the Tarheel State can
    better that record.

    This is a very dangerous precedent and a poorly-drafted bill at best. We've
    seen veterans being disarmed for life merely for seeking treatment for
    nightmares. And now Raleigh wants to notify the feds when sometimes we're
    talking about no more than a stressed-out person being sent home by a shrink
    with a prescription and orders to get some needed rest?

    Unfortunately, it gets worse -- SB 2081 violates federal law. You see,
    probably the only reason that the federal Veteran's Disarmament Act managed
    to pass was that it included a provision for people being able to get their
    rights restored once they have recovered from their mental trauma. In fact,
    states are MANDATED to provide a "relief from disabilities"
    process -- or
    lose large amounts of federal money. Once you have been "fully
    released or
    discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or
    monitoring" you are
    no longer a prohibited person, period.

    So how have the anti-gunners in the state capital chosen to do this? By
    stating that:

    The burden is on the petitioner to establish by clear and convincing
    evidence that the petitioner no longer suffers from the condition that
    resulted in commitment and no longer poses a danger to self or others for
    purposes of the purchase, possession, or transfer of firearms....

    And just in case you might be able to afford the time and money to hire an
    attorney and go to court, they further direct that "The district
    attorney
    shall present any and all relevant information to the contrary."

    But there's still a tiny chance you might prevail, so they're not done yet!
    Guess what? That anti-gun DA gets statutory access to ALL of your records --
    you are required to sign a waiver to that effect. Further, the judge can, in
    his sole discretion, decide that the "public interest" would
    be better
    served if all proceedings (and all of those records) were made completely
    public. And just to rub a little more salt into the wound, should an
    anti-gun judge deny your petition, you are barred from trying again for a
    full year.

    It is a truism that PTSD has become a catch-all diagnosis for returning
    military personnel. Sure, some people need legitimate help. But others are
    only trying to get a decent night's sleep and are no danger to their
    community. Certainly they don't deserve to lose their gun rights forever
    just because war is hell.

    In a state with a large number of active duty and veteran military
    personnel, it is important that North Carolina not create a program which
    will go even further than the anti-veteran program recently enacted by the
    federal government.


    ACTION:

    This is probably going to be a long battle. Gun owners need to contact their
    elected officials in Raleigh "early and often." A full Senate
    contact roster
    is appended below, as well as a pre-written letter to help direct your
    comments. The easiest way to help is to simply copy/paste the pre-written
    letter into an an e-mail to your Senator. If you don't know who your Senator
    is, you can plug in your zipcode at http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/ to identify
    him or her.


    --- Suggested pre-written letter --

    Dear Senator:

    SB 2081 goes beyond federal law -- and quite possibly violates it.More
    than 100,000 veterans have been disarmed for life, often due to nothing
    more than the nightmares one would expect after returning from combat. Those
    fine people are no danger to our communities.

    I am greatly disturbed by many aspects of SB 2081, especially the following:

    1. Disarmament (for life) for simple OUTPATIENT treatment... which makes no
    sense, as under current NC law, a person committed to outpatient treatment is
    by definition "capable of surviving safely in the community"
    and thus shouldn't be stripped of their constitutional rights;

    2. A smoke-and-mirrors "process" for regaining those lost
    rights that sets
    standards which are almost impossible to meet; and,

    3. The very fact that my state, with its numerous active duty and veteran
    military personnel, would be willing to go far beyond the bounds of federal
    requirements in disarming large segments of its populace.

    Please vote against SB 2081. I also urge you to bring the problems with the
    bill to the attention of your colleagues.


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    North Carolina State Senate Roster

    Dis Name E-mail

    01 Basnight Marcb@ncleg.net
    02 Preston Jeanp@ncleg.net
    03 Jenkins Clarkj@ncleg.net
    04 Jones Edwardj@ncleg.net
    05 Kerr Johnk@ncleg.net
    06 Brown Harryb@ncleg.net
    07 Berger, D Dougb@ncleg.net
    08 Soles Rcsoles@ncleg.net
    09 Boseman Juliab@ncleg.net
    10 Albertson Charliea@ncleg.net
    11 Swindell abs@ncleg.net
    12 Smith Freds@ncleg.net
    13 Weinstein Davidw@ncleg.net
    14 Malone Vernonm@ncleg.net
    15 Hunt Nealh@ncleg.net
    16 Cowell Janetc@ncleg.net
    17 Stevens Richards@ncleg.net
    18 Atwater Boba@ncleg.net
    19 Rand Tonyr@ncleg.net
    20 McKissick Floydm@ncleg.net
    21 Shaw Larrys@ncleg.net
    22 Blake Harrisb@ncleg.net
    23 Kinnaird Elliek@ncleg.net
    24 Foriest Tonyf@ncleg.net
    25 Purcell Williamp@ncleg.net
    26 Berger, P philbe@ncleg.net
    27 Hagan Kayh@ncleg.net
    28 Dorsett Katied@ncleg.net
    29 Tillman Jerryt@ncleg.net
    30 East Done@ncleg.net
    31 Brunstetter Peterb@ncleg.net
    32 Garrou Lindag@ncleg.net
    33 Bingham stanb@ncleg.net
    34 Brock Andrewb@ncleg.net
    35 Goodall Eddieg@ncleg.net
    36 Hartsell Fletcherh@ncleg.net
    37 Clodfelter Danielc@ncleg.net
    38 Dannelly Charlied@ncleg.net
    39 Rucho Bobr@ncleg.net
    40 Graham Malcolmg@ncleg.net
    41 Forrester Jamesf@ncleg.net
    42 Allran Austina@ncleg.net
    43 Hoyle Davidh@ncleg.net
    44 Jacumin Jimja@ncleg.net
    45 Goss Steveg@ncleg.net
    46 Dalton Walterd@ncleg.net
    47 Queen JoeQ@ncleg.net
    48 Apodaca Toma@ncleg.net
    49 Nesbitt martinn@ncleg.net
    50 Snow Johnsn@ncleg.net


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    Yeah, this is really bad stuff. Can't believe it's happening here in North Carolina.

    I'm doing what I can by way of contacting state legislators and urging them to oppose this. Unfortunately, I live in heavily "liberal" area and am guessing my reps fully support this monstrosity.

    We'll see.

    - Steve

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    Where's Gunnyfreedom been? Isn't he from NC?
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

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    This thread contains the most recent update on the bill.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=143670

    The potential for abuse with this bill is mind boggling.

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    Sounds like great news from the U.S. Supreme Court today!!!!



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