Well, do we have an update yet?
- ML
Any news, yet?
Well, do we have an update yet?
- ML
bump
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas JeffersonI must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
- Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
Found this:
http://ww3.startribune.com/bigquestionblog/?p=998
Which means apperantly they would need a majority of voters to support their delegates. That puts them in a pretty bad spot, as they had better chances if McCain people split their votes.
http://ww3.startribune.com/bigquestionblog/?p=1002
And here is their chairman gloating.
They havent voted yet though, so a lot could happen. This article talks about the two slates:
http://ww3.startribune.com/bigquestionblog/?p=999
Last edited by Rangeley; 05-30-2008 at 01:19 PM.
I was there, I had to leave after the voting on delegates and alternate delegates. it seemed the party machine had pretty well locked things in for the "MN Conservative Delegate Team". There were a few choices from the Conservative Conscience slate available, but with the rules the way they were plus the makeup of the body plus the candidates on the ballot, I think they pretty well locked it in, despite what the convention body may have desired. Sad. Especially Ron Carey. They deserve to lose soundly all around. That said Besides one old lady ragging and hagging in my county delegation everyone else was pretty reasonable.
I'd love to take in some signs tomorrow but don't want to get kicked out- here's what I'm tossing around:
Ron Carey RESTORED my APATHY
And for the McCain plants on the floor walking around holding Yes/No signs telling their SHEEPLE how to vote:
VOTE your CONSCIENCE
And one for my shirt:
REPUBLICAN PARTY:
OUT OF ORDER
(most motions we tried to make yesterday were deemed 'out of order' as they railroaded the blessed delegates through.)
Other states beware- the McCain group is NOT asleep at the wheel, and they've got state leadership in their pocket.
I don't even have the energy now to type up the BS pulled by the nominating committee. There was also a RIDICULOUS ruling to overturn the final vote of the CD1 convention, ousting our one Ron Paul national delegate.
I don't expect things to go 100% my way, but I do expect a fair shot.
Oh man. After the first few go-arounds, it looks like team-establishment is ready for battle.
"Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister
by changing the rules right before the convention. That means we are winning. Keep hammering this damn it will break.
Originally Posted by Cowlesy
More than just changing the rules, they selectively enforced rules...and you can guess which side was favored in those decisions.
They flat out admitted that the nomination committee violated its own rules in its report...they had a rule that all applicants for Nat'l del/alt had to apply in advance and meet with the Nom Com IN ROCHESTER on Thursday. Some people had to travel far and pay for an extra hotel night to be there for it (people who, of course, were then not deemed 'worthy' of nomination) Someone got up and asked whether all nominees had in fact come before the committee ((knowing this was not likely)). Feet to the fire, they finally admitted that actually, a few people had been interviewed by phone. But the candidate raising the issue stated that he had specifically ASKED if he could do it by phone and was told 'unequivocally no' And yet any attempt to challenge the ballots was 'out of order' because of course the Nom Com's list had already been railroaded through to a vote and was thus their report was officially 'accepted' by the convention. Motions to allow write-ins or to put all names of dels/alts who had been seen by the committee failed (I can't remember if we even got to vote on it, I don't think we did)
The alternate list was even worse- and because people already felt disenfranchised and because several issues had been deferred as 'too late, but you can make that motion on the alternates' and then again were railroaded, people got really upset. 'Open and Fair' didn't really have a place beyond the opening remarks of the convention.
There were calls at a couple points to vote 'no confidence' in Ron Carey and to censure (or something) the Nom Com Chair for breaking her own rules.
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I remain committed to my Revolutionary State and Congressional House candidates, but I'll make sure I donate to them directly. the state party won't see a dime of my hard-earned (well-taxed) money in their coffers. I'll be working from the bottom up in my BPOU, and the State leadership won't have my vote, money, or volunteerism for higher offices until they show me that the Republican party deserves it. I was an optimist, but after today, I'm skeptical to downright cynical about our ability to save this party from itself.
It was quite a circus for several hours, and they definitely hurt us, but I believe that we hurt them worse. The MN GOP was under a LOT of pressure not to embarrass the national party, so Ron Carey felt he had no choice but to rule with an iron fist. I honestly think he would have done far better to keep Ron Paul people under the impression that they were welcome as duly elected delegates to the convention, instead of explicitly telling us that we were outsiders and dividers. The Republican Party needs us in November. They need us for the long haul. They need us desperately to campaign for Minnesota candidates. But what they did today was tell hundreds of young, energetic conservatives that they had no place in the party. While I intend to stay in the Republican Party to fix it, I certainly am less motivated to help them win races.
Ron Paul spoke outside the convention hall at 7:30 a.m. to about 300 people, but they would not allow him to speak in the convention at all. Giving Paul 10 minutes at the podium would have put every Paul supporter in a much better mood. The MN GOP would have achieved more or less the same results in terms of delegates and alternates elected, but this show of respect would have kept hundreds of us on friendly or at least civil terms. Those 10 minutes would have probably saved two hours of convention time.
One thing that I found particularly humorous was that the Minnesota GOP platform, Section 8 Item I, calls for "repealing the Bi-Partisan Campaign Reform Act (McCain-Feingold)" and that Romney had nearly twice McCain's vote in the Minnesota caucus preference polls (non-binding) in February, yet we as the Minnesota convention are supposed to unequivocally endorse the man as our candidate.
The brouhaha over the nominations committee's selection of candidates began after the delegate's speeches (they rushed into the speeches so that no objections could be made), and I noticed a marked difference in the alternates' speeches. Virtually all of them were careful to endorse McCain in their speeches, as if the price of admission to national were a simple commitment for McCain. Only a handful of the delegates' speeches, before the fight, made mention of that.
We have more work to do tomorrow, so I need some sleep!
Bump for Minnesota. Remember this is the kind of shit we need to be on the look out for.
- ML
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